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dronefarm
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States260 Posts
May 11 2012 03:27 GMT
#221
I'm going to laugh when every BW player ends up with P and T. Zerg's painful right now, man. Maybe the viper will change that, but it makes me sad that a lot of zergs are struggling and calm is switching races (I'm going to be heartbroken if Jaedong switches too)
If you can chill, chill
BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
May 11 2012 03:28 GMT
#222
On May 11 2012 11:44 Davis23 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2012 11:42 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On May 11 2012 11:29 Davis23 wrote:
I don't know any of them beside of Flash...


get to know them then, look up liquipedia, TLPD, interviews.


I don't care about BW players. Until they play SC2 I couldn't care less.


Maybe you should care because without them SC wouldn't be anywhere near it is today. Show respect and do some research.
-IeZaeL-
Profile Joined December 2007
Spain327 Posts
May 11 2012 03:30 GMT
#223
" Air Force Coach Song Dong Kyun states: First of all, FBH changed to Protoss. His skill is really good and he is very high level. You may expect much from him. Also, Great and Chavi changed their races in SCII "

LOL ... i played vs FBH last week 2 times and hi's not that "VERY HIGH LEVEL" to be honest xD
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51117 Posts
May 11 2012 03:30 GMT
#224
On May 11 2012 12:02 canikizu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2012 11:42 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On May 11 2012 11:29 Davis23 wrote:
I don't know any of them beside of Flash...


get to know them then, look up liquipedia, TLPD, interviews.

No need to get to know all of them. Not all of them gonna make it big anyway. Not bashing. That's just reality.



you know in proleague people actually root for teams not just 1 player. Crazy right?

either way you are going to get to know them.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
zawk9
Profile Joined March 2011
United States427 Posts
May 11 2012 03:31 GMT
#225
On May 11 2012 12:23 rauk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2012 12:17 zawk9 wrote:
On May 11 2012 11:55 Forikorder wrote:
On May 11 2012 11:53 Tyrant0 wrote:
On May 11 2012 11:01 rauk wrote:
On May 11 2012 10:45 Tyrant0 wrote:
On May 11 2012 10:38 Shiori wrote:
On May 11 2012 10:30 Tyrant0 wrote:
On May 11 2012 09:56 rauk wrote:
On May 11 2012 09:49 Tyrant0 wrote:
[quote]

What units in BW had high micro potential that SC2 doesn't have?


...seriously?

every single spellcaster, mutas, scourge, shuttle/reaver, wraiths, vultures, zealots, goons, lings

....


Context is key. Zerg. So basically nothing, maybe other than scourge. Unless you want to go off on a tangent about control groups. But that doesn't make the unit inherently harder. Waiting for the day someone walks into SC2 with hundreds of APM worth of control to be able to split lings/roaches into perfect spreads to mitigate tank/storms. So in reality, waiting for Jaedong.

Mutas?


They're pretty much the same. Only thing that has changed is the units/metagame around them and the interface.


did you even play broodwar

what you say makes no sense to anyone who has played modern 2hat or 3hat muta zvt


...Theres no difference. I played/watched BW, lol. The games and mechanics are different, and it changes how the unit is played, but it's still the same unit. You really should go out of your way more to read into the context of a quote rather than butting in just to epeen.

doesnt everyone go fast 3 base in like every match up? seems the games are very different to me

BTW i apolgize if i offend any BW fans, im not doing it on purpose and i have made some effort to learn about BW though i havent really made alot of effort to watch it


I wouldn't say that from my (admittedly) limited experience. There's a lot more emphasis on expanding in general, thats been known since SC2 was revealed, but I from what I've watched recently I wouldn't say "everybody" goes fast three bases (it also depends on your definition of "fast").

IIRC Zerg usually gets a quick third hatchery, but they don't always place it at the third depending on the matchup. Any BW fan here care to tell me if thats basically right or not?


zvz doesn't go past 1 base, sometimes 2 if both people 12 hatch.

zvt terran sticks to 2 base mnm for pretty much the whole game, zerg takes third when his lair tech units are out and fourth gas when he has defilers.

zvp protoss forge fes, zerg double expands, toss will get a third when he can defend it vs fast mutas or mass hydras (around 10-11 minutes), zerg expands again when he feels safe

tvp toss generally tries to take a quick third, terran tries to punish with 2 base timing, but i don't really understand any non Z matchups

pvp generally one base or someone defending their fast expo vs fast reaver or dt

tvt fuck if i know but it's not fast 3 bases


Thanks
there's a bug in the new patch where the other player keeps killing all my dudes.. please nerf this
Gosi
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Sweden9072 Posts
May 11 2012 03:34 GMT
#226
On May 11 2012 11:29 Zeke50100 wrote:
I think worrying about imbalances at this point is quite silly. A player should play whatever race they enjoy the most/feel fits their style. If a Protoss player from BW prefers Terran in SC2 because they feel it's similar, then so be it. It bugs me, however, when multiple players are actually worrying about balance when deciding their race. In fact, Heart of the Swarm is coming very soon, so it would be silly to think whatever the game is like now will be what the game is like in the near future (as a Zerg player, I'm freaking excited for HotS, haha).

I'm hoping somebody comes along and plays better than Flash. He's awesome, but monopolies don't make for good competition The influx of BW players who have more (recent) experience as gamers is pretty cool (although it hurts a little to see it).

HotS is coming very soon? I think you exaggerate alot. The beta may come soon, but they won't have time to play that anyway because they still have to practice and play WoL (and BW) for Proleague from May to September and maybe upcoming tournaments abroad. HotS won't be relevant until the very end of this year or 2013.
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Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-11 03:39:05
May 11 2012 03:35 GMT
#227
zvz doesn't go past 1 base, sometimes 2 if both people 12 hatch.

zvt terran sticks to 2 base mnm for pretty much the whole game, zerg takes third when his lair tech units are out and fourth gas when he has defilers.

zvp protoss forge fes, zerg double expands, toss will get a third when he can defend it vs fast mutas or mass hydras (around 10-11 minutes), zerg expands again when he feels safe

tvp toss generally tries to take a quick third, terran tries to punish with 2 base timing, but i don't really understand any non Z matchups

pvp generally one base or someone defending their fast expo vs fast reaver or dt

tvt fuck if i know but it's not fast 3 bases


if this is accurate BW then like everything ive ever heard about BW is false


Wow 2-3 years flash said. Must be a shock to find they will basically be giving up playing bw by fall.


2-3 years to get back to the same level of skillin SC2 they have in BW, theyll be competitive in SC2 within a year
BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-11 03:37:51
May 11 2012 03:36 GMT
#228
On May 11 2012 12:30 -IeZaeL- wrote:
" Air Force Coach Song Dong Kyun states: First of all, FBH changed to Protoss. His skill is really good and he is very high level. You may expect much from him. Also, Great and Chavi changed their races in SCII "

LOL ... i played vs FBH last week 2 times and hi's not that "VERY HIGH LEVEL" to be honest xD


I hope you don't actually think that the FBH on the Korean ladder is the actual FBH. It's just the smurf of somebody else, just like MarineKing was using "BoxeR" before he was famous.
Champi
Profile Joined March 2010
1422 Posts
May 11 2012 03:39 GMT
#229
YES, Bisu as protoss, im so relieved, all that talk of maybe playing terran was scaring the crap out of me =/
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
May 11 2012 03:39 GMT
#230
On May 11 2012 12:36 BlazeFury01 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2012 12:30 -IeZaeL- wrote:
" Air Force Coach Song Dong Kyun states: First of all, FBH changed to Protoss. His skill is really good and he is very high level. You may expect much from him. Also, Great and Chavi changed their races in SCII "

LOL ... i played vs FBH last week 2 times and hi's not that "VERY HIGH LEVEL" to be honest xD


I hope you don't actually think that the FBH on the Korean ladder is the actual FBH. It's just the smurf of somebody else, just like MarineKing was using "BoxeR" before he was famous.

hasnt the real FBH said on twitter tis actually him?
Greenei
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany1754 Posts
May 11 2012 03:40 GMT
#231
as long as FLASH stays t im fine with anything.
IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
May 11 2012 03:40 GMT
#232
On May 11 2012 12:34 Gosi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2012 11:29 Zeke50100 wrote:
I think worrying about imbalances at this point is quite silly. A player should play whatever race they enjoy the most/feel fits their style. If a Protoss player from BW prefers Terran in SC2 because they feel it's similar, then so be it. It bugs me, however, when multiple players are actually worrying about balance when deciding their race. In fact, Heart of the Swarm is coming very soon, so it would be silly to think whatever the game is like now will be what the game is like in the near future (as a Zerg player, I'm freaking excited for HotS, haha).

I'm hoping somebody comes along and plays better than Flash. He's awesome, but monopolies don't make for good competition The influx of BW players who have more (recent) experience as gamers is pretty cool (although it hurts a little to see it).

HotS is coming very soon? I think you exaggerate alot. The beta may come soon, but they won't have time to play that anyway because they still have to practice and play WoL (and BW) for Proleague from May to September and maybe upcoming tournaments abroad. HotS won't be relevant until the very end of this year or 2013.

anaheim is in about a month, then Beta probably a month after that, then probably at least 4 months of beta so HoTS probably just before 2013 at the earliest
BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-11 03:44:48
May 11 2012 03:43 GMT
#233
On May 11 2012 12:39 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2012 12:36 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On May 11 2012 12:30 -IeZaeL- wrote:
" Air Force Coach Song Dong Kyun states: First of all, FBH changed to Protoss. His skill is really good and he is very high level. You may expect much from him. Also, Great and Chavi changed their races in SCII "

LOL ... i played vs FBH last week 2 times and hi's not that "VERY HIGH LEVEL" to be honest xD


I hope you don't actually think that the FBH on the Korean ladder is the actual FBH. It's just the smurf of somebody else, just like MarineKing was using "BoxeR" before he was famous.

hasnt the real FBH said on twitter tis actually him?


Quite possibly, I don't know. But, It isn't likely for a progamer to use their alias on ladder. In Brood War, they pretty much had a new name in every single replay that was identified as them. I would think they would use some random ID for practice until they reached a professional level that way people couldn't have "bragging rights". But, if FBH confirmed it himself then I think that's extremely bad for him.

Particularly because of comments like this:

On May 11 2012 12:30 -IeZaeL- wrote:
" Air Force Coach Song Dong Kyun states: First of all, FBH changed to Protoss. His skill is really good and he is very high level. You may expect much from him. Also, Great and Chavi changed their races in SCII "

LOL ... i played vs FBH last week 2 times and hi's not that "VERY HIGH LEVEL" to be honest xD

Engore
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1916 Posts
May 11 2012 03:43 GMT
#234
Yay FBH :D
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Sea_Food
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Finland1612 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-11 03:45:28
May 11 2012 03:44 GMT
#235
If HotS get released in september-december this year, then imo these bw players picked the worst time to switch.

Its like it should only take a month or 2 to get used to sc2 mechics in preparation for HotS, but 4-6 months is most likely not enough time for anyone of them to get better results than mby low code A in WoL.
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-11 03:54:05
May 11 2012 03:52 GMT
#236
Quite possibly, I don't know. But, It isn't likely for a progamer to use their alias on ladder. In Brood War, they pretty much had a new name in every single replay that was identified as them. I would think they would use some random ID for practice until they reached a professional level that way people couldn't have "bragging rights". But, if FBH confirmed it himself then I think that's extremely bad for him.


they cant name change (pretty mcuh) at all in SC2 unless they get new accounts so they are more likely to use there real ID

If HotS get released in september-december this year, then imo these bw players picked the worst time to switch.

Its like it should only take a month or 2 to get used to sc2 mechics in preparation for HotS, but 4-6 months is most likely not enough time for anyone of them to get better results than mby low code A in WoL.


id say its the best time if they can master the controls and get used to the actual mechanics (controlling large army, all the macro and micro and spells and such) right before HoTS comes out then they dont ahve to be learning mechanics and learning hoTS at the same time and its a true level playing field
lorkac
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2297 Posts
May 11 2012 03:55 GMT
#237
I'm honestly a bit sad that I won't get to see Fantasy playing Zerg.

I'm mostly excited to watch a player who was bad at SK Terran suddenly manage 4x more units than a normal SK Terran.
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endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
May 11 2012 03:59 GMT
#238
It's not "SKT1". SKT is the sponsor, T1 is the team name, so it's SKT T1.
Thanks.
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TheRealNanMan
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1471 Posts
May 11 2012 03:59 GMT
#239
I'm loving all these BW updates :D Keep them coming!
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NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
May 11 2012 04:06 GMT
#240
Now if only we could get any of them to stream Sc2 or BW
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