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sCCrooked
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)1306 Posts
May 11 2012 06:44 GMT
#261
On May 11 2012 15:14 lorkac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2012 15:07 Incanus wrote:
On May 11 2012 11:25 Falling wrote:
On May 11 2012 03:34 OpTicalRH wrote:
Yeah, many all of existing BW players are complaining about Zerg + Show Spoiler +
imbalances
, poor Jaedong :/

Well if you were used to muta micro and lurker-ling-dark swarm hopping, hydra storm dodging, and scourge micro, SC2 is going to be a pretty big shock to the system.

Well said. The amount of BW ignorance here is impressive. Zerg in BW looks similar to SC2, but in fact the playstyle and feeling is nothing alike.


To be honest, many times SC2 Zerg looks like SK Terran. Constantly mobile low tier units supported by some sci vessel/infestors depending on tempo and mass engagements to break down the opponents. They even rush for Tanks/Broods specifically to break defensive turtling.


What you described is not SK Terran at all. SK Terran was a mass of MM with a gigantic vessel mass while going double-ebay for really fast bio upgrades while simultaneously utilizing huge amounts of dropship play to harass expos. There are no tanks at all in SK Terran style. Not to mention sc2 zerg is a slow-moving ball that often goes for tech rushes to Infestor/BL which is an incredibly slow-moving army (almost akin to pure T mech in BW). sc2 Zerg is nothing like BW zerg or SK Terran (which is the T style most associated with that "swarm" feel).
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FidoDido
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1292 Posts
May 11 2012 06:56 GMT
#262
I'm looking forward to Flash VS MVP showmatch.
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klops
Profile Joined June 2010
United States674 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-11 06:57:24
May 11 2012 06:56 GMT
#263
On May 11 2012 13:58 Jisall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2012 13:46 NET wrote:
Yes FBH is Protoss! So much win!

Bisu stuck with the right race. The Dark Templar master remains.


Inca might fight him for that title.


inca's DT's are a joke comapred to the guy who invented DT's.

one guy won a starleague with them.

the other produced one of the worst GSL finals with them.

i don't think i need to give you hints who was who.
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
May 11 2012 06:59 GMT
#264
On May 11 2012 15:44 sCCrooked wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2012 15:14 lorkac wrote:
On May 11 2012 15:07 Incanus wrote:
On May 11 2012 11:25 Falling wrote:
On May 11 2012 03:34 OpTicalRH wrote:
Yeah, many all of existing BW players are complaining about Zerg + Show Spoiler +
imbalances
, poor Jaedong :/

Well if you were used to muta micro and lurker-ling-dark swarm hopping, hydra storm dodging, and scourge micro, SC2 is going to be a pretty big shock to the system.

Well said. The amount of BW ignorance here is impressive. Zerg in BW looks similar to SC2, but in fact the playstyle and feeling is nothing alike.


To be honest, many times SC2 Zerg looks like SK Terran. Constantly mobile low tier units supported by some sci vessel/infestors depending on tempo and mass engagements to break down the opponents. They even rush for Tanks/Broods specifically to break defensive turtling.


What you described is not SK Terran at all. SK Terran was a mass of MM with a gigantic vessel mass while going double-ebay for really fast bio upgrades while simultaneously utilizing huge amounts of dropship play to harass expos. There are no tanks at all in SK Terran style. Not to mention sc2 zerg is a slow-moving ball that often goes for tech rushes to Infestor/BL which is an incredibly slow-moving army (almost akin to pure T mech in BW). sc2 Zerg is nothing like BW zerg or SK Terran (which is the T style most associated with that "swarm" feel).

To be fair, the more mobile Infestor/Ultralisk "Stephano style" composition has been gaining popularity nowadays as an alternative to the slower Infestor/Broodlord composition.

But I do agree that it's flawed to compare SK Terran to SC2 Zerg.
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Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
May 11 2012 07:00 GMT
#265
lol @ passive-aggressive jangbi :p

"well terran is better but im gonna play protoss but terran is still better! :<"
ryx
Profile Joined March 2006
Philippines38 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-11 07:06:45
May 11 2012 07:03 GMT
#266
I really hope the Zergs don't all switch to T and P just because they're having a hard time. It's HELLA hard to switch from the speedling harass plus minimal amount of drones to constantly macro an army mentality of Zergs in BW versus the slower, passive SC2 drone hard while surviving on as little as possible to sudden explosion but I hope they stick it out so that SC2 Zergs have their own set of idols. Let's go Jaedong!

edit: and suck-ass lair tech

...and lack of defilers

...and lack of area control via lurkers


on second thought, maybe they should wait it out for HotS
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Ballistixz
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1269 Posts
May 11 2012 07:11 GMT
#267
On May 11 2012 16:03 ryx wrote:
I really hope the Zergs don't all switch to T and P just because they're having a hard time. It's HELLA hard to switch from the speedling harass plus minimal amount of drones to constantly macro an army mentality of Zergs in BW versus the slower, passive SC2 drone hard while surviving on as little as possible to sudden explosion but I hope they stick it out so that SC2 Zergs have their own set of idols. Let's go Jaedong!

edit: and suck-ass lair tech

...and lack of defilers

...and lack of area control via lurkers


on second thought, maybe they should wait it out for HotS



id agree that they should all wait for HoTS because that would be a fresh start for everyone considering new strats/builds and all, but by the looks of it we wont be seeing HoTS go live for atleast another year....
Davis23
Profile Joined May 2012
63 Posts
May 11 2012 08:16 GMT
#268
On May 11 2012 15:56 FidoDido wrote:
I'm looking forward to Flash VS MVP showmatch.


Flash vs inControl would be more fair. Or if you want Flash to win ... vs Jinro.
theBOOCH
Profile Joined November 2010
United States832 Posts
May 11 2012 08:22 GMT
#269
The BW players have an interesting perspective on balance. I think it will be interesting to see how many end up playing which race when all is said and done. Glad Flash is playing Terran, but it will be disappointing to see how many players, if any, pick and stick with zerg at this point. As a large organisation, Kespa is in an interesting position to maybe push for balance changes from a fresh perspective. I know this isnt about balance specifically, but I find that aspect of players picking races interesting.
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PrideNeverDie
Profile Joined November 2010
United States319 Posts
May 11 2012 08:38 GMT
#270
this depresses me

i patiently wait for zerg heroes to lead us back to glory

SWARM SEASON IS COMING!
If you want it bad enough you will find a way; If you don't, you will find an excuse
MentalGNT
Profile Joined January 2011
Denmark1264 Posts
May 11 2012 08:48 GMT
#271
On May 11 2012 13:58 Jisall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2012 13:46 NET wrote:
Yes FBH is Protoss! So much win!

Bisu stuck with the right race. The Dark Templar master remains.


Inca might fight him for that title.

The key difference is that when Bisu makes DTs in PvZ he wins while InCa does the same retarded DT-rush 4 times in a row and gives us a shitty GSL finals ^_^
What a player
pedduck
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Thailand468 Posts
May 11 2012 08:50 GMT
#272
Can't imagine what it would be like in ladder Master and Grand master in Korea Server right now ^^'
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
May 11 2012 09:00 GMT
#273
Hope people like IdrA and NesTea are kicking themselves after hearing this xD Silly Zergs xD
Can't wait to see a good solid Protoss BW player though, gives me nerd chills thinking of how good they can make Protoss look.
But yeah 6 months into Flash's SC2 career he will win his first MLG title...heard it hear first ^_^
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Mentor
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany219 Posts
May 11 2012 11:17 GMT
#274
BW pros have great mechanics, which allows them to be competitive once mid/lategame hits even without having alot of game knowledge.
It is easier for Protoss and Terran to play a safe early game than it is for Zerg, cause of the drone timings in relation to timing pushes.
I think, once they learn the basic build orders and timings of the races, and how to make precise calls based on their scouting, the BW Zergs will be just fine.
"Fame is like salty water, no last sip after the first, and before you drown you'll be dying of thirst." -Prezident-
SEA KarMa
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia452 Posts
May 11 2012 12:13 GMT
#275
so awesome... the real competition starts...
"terrible, terrible damage". terrible, terrible design.
stfouri
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland272 Posts
May 11 2012 12:32 GMT
#276
Can't wait!
Im actually waiting to see how they will compete against current pro's.
Will they dominate, be on par or just outright lose to them.
Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9033 Posts
May 11 2012 13:01 GMT
#277
Look like they will have to quit BW completely if they want to be competitive at SC2. The unimpressed Flash thread sure gives me some wrong ideas about how fast they will start to dominate.
[N3O]r3d33m3r
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany673 Posts
May 11 2012 13:38 GMT
#278
On May 11 2012 22:01 Garnet wrote:
Look like they will have to quit BW completely if they want to be competitive at SC2. The unimpressed Flash thread sure gives me some wrong ideas about how fast they will start to dominate.

ehmm.. it is 100% confirimed that from september this year, there will only be sc2 for the kespa teams.
ofc they will quit bw
TheBanana
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway2183 Posts
May 11 2012 14:11 GMT
#279
On May 11 2012 11:27 Forikorder wrote:
looks like IdrA nailed it once again
Show nested quote +
They're going to suck pre hots. I can bet money on this. So I hope they don't get their hopes up and expect to dominate before that. The last thing I want are some of these pro's burning out cause they're losing to no-names on ladder pre-HOTS.


only because HoTS is so close that they wont ahve time to get used to all the minor details, theyll get to Code S level but probably not complete domination



I'm not going to argue the prediction itself, but the pre-comment; when did he ever nail any prediction?
I only remember bad ones.
Like saying DRG was nothing but a cheeser and him being top KR GM was equivalent to Piqliq topping NA.
Then *BOOM*, DRG breakout.
If you're not getting better faster than everybody else, you're getting worse.
awwnuts07
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States621 Posts
May 11 2012 14:20 GMT
#280
On May 11 2012 15:56 klops wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2012 13:58 Jisall wrote:
On May 11 2012 13:46 NET wrote:
Yes FBH is Protoss! So much win!

Bisu stuck with the right race. The Dark Templar master remains.


Inca might fight him for that title.


inca's DT's are a joke comapred to the guy who invented DT's.

one guy STARTED A REVOLUTION with them.

the other produced one of the worst GSL finals with them.

i don't think i need to give you hints who was who.


Fixed that for you.

Damn, I feel for bad for the BW zergs. SC2 zerg may be effective, but the race isn't nearly as interesting as its BW counterpart.


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