Liar Game Mini Mafia - Page 65

my example of putting 5 on meapak was merely an example.

When meapak announced to the thread that he was receiving 5 from sheth it should have been apparent that you would not need to put votes on him. Cephiro had already said he wasn't putting votes on Sheth. That's when the "put votes on one person to influence the lynch" kicks in.

Cephiro knew the three people we were trying to kill. If he says he's not voting sheth then that suggests he's okay with sheth dying (i.e. cephiro and sheth are not connected). When meapak says sheth is giving him 5 votes that automatically means sheth is receiving 0 and cephiro is putting 5 on chaoser.

it is at that point that sheth becomes most likely to flip town out of the 3 and you would put 5 on him.

Sadly meapak posted that almost half an hour into my final. I sent my votes in at 10:30 KST and he posted it at 11:30 KST.

meh. At least we've eliminated one person and we know chaoser is still very likely to be scum. I'm still suspicious of sloosh as well.

On April 30 2012 13:11 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Well, I agree with gonzaw's statement that a strategy for Round A is also necessary. Scum are able to coordinate their votes, so they can always split themselves so that only half end up in the lynch pool ever if we let people just do whatever. So, we need some kind of strategy to make sure that we can get a decent amount of scummy people in the majority, that we can actually hold people to it, and that's feasible.

Obviously, an optimal strategy for lynch choice would be for every person to vote the same way. Then, everyone makes it into Phase B, and no one is safe from being able to be lynched. This makes Phase B more complicated, but I think it's worth it for the choice. What do people think? Results are revealed afterwards, so we should know if someone's lying and made it into the minority. Anyone who does, we can lynch. I don't see a reason townies need to worry about being immune to lynch this early in the game. Perhaps in the later stages, where it's feasible scum rig the votes to kill them, but not now. If someone tries that now, we'll know about the ninja bandwagon, because again, the results are revealed. We should try to force scum to play by our rules. They'll be a lot more careful, because there's two scum teams, so I don't see them trying anything too ballsy. Any disadvantage going into the late-game will translate into the other scum-team having more influence than them.

Also, because I can, and the name of the game, what do people think of LaL? :p

On May 01 2012 04:03 Mr. Wiggles wrote:

No, I'm trying to get something concrete out of Chaoser instead of just "I think Palmar needs to be lynched". That post was directed towards Chaoser.

Chaoser, explain why you want to lynch Palmar, and why you think he's scum. You're not going to convince anyone by just saying you want to lynch him.

On May 01 2012 06:22 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I'm voting yes. WIFOM about it all you want.

Also, why did this thread go to Hell in the last two pages? Palmar posted his list of reads after extensive discussion about his plan, and suddenly a whole bunch of people come running out of the woodwork to oppose it, and not in a calm and logical way, but instead in a sort of raving and foaming at the mouth way.

On May 01 2012 09:34 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Hey Cephiro, if you yourself say you aren't doing anything productive, then how are you a useful townie? Also, why are you so quick to call gonzaw out as tunneling you when he's only been talking about you for two pages of the thread? That's hardly tunneling, it's pressure, and you're reacting very badly to it. Why don't you want to be talked about so badly? Do you have some secret reason for needing to avoid scrutiny?

On May 02 2012 02:06 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I think VE's a good lynch, but I'm not sure about Sandroba. If I had to pick a second person to lynch, it would be him, but I'd like to see some more out of him now that he's in the thread. A lot of the case against him so far seems to be "he doesn't care", but that doesn't really say much about his alignment in my opinion, just that he doesn't care. It' uncharacteristic of him, sure, but I've gotten that same line thrown at me in games as town where I was more inactive like Death Factory 2 and JubJub mafia. So, I'd like to see something more substantial from him now that he looks, or at least claims, that he'll be active again.

If we had to choose one person to kill, I think VE would be it. All it seems like he's doing is running through the thread aggravating people and opposing any sort of organization and causing dissent on principle. He hasn't even said who he thinks scum is now that he's chimed in on Round B. His case on WBG was laughable, and besides that, I don't see any reads from him. Even when he talks about the Sandroba lynch, he doesn't say that he thinks Sandroba is scum, just that he's fine with his lynch.

Also, just looking at what was posted recently, it looks like VE has given up. The lynch seemed like it would be between him and Sandroba, but instead of fighting it, he's just kicking dirt around. This is pretty uncharacteristic, and doesn't sit well with me.

@VE: So if you have super good reads and have been scumhunting, and that's why scum want to kill you, what are they? Also, I see no scumhunting in the thread, so it must have happened in PM land. Obviously if you're telling the truth then, scum have them, but town doesn't. Withholding them does nothing for town, and is in fact an anti-town behaviour. Also, I thought you said you weren't playing the game in PMs, so why are you scumhunting there supposedly, and not in the thread?

Or, you're just scum and I'm wasting my time. =/

On May 04 2012 01:40 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Hey, prplhz. You said that you've been playing badly, and seem like you want to step it up. From the thread, it doesn't really seem like you've been trying to do so. So, let's start to play. How are you deciding to vote? Who do you want to kill if they get in the majority? I'm interested in your answers, and reasons would be nice, too.

As for myself, I haven't decided exactly how I'll vote yet. I'd be willing to vote for a plan, but based on the results of Day 1 and the general attitude of people this game, I highly doubt it would pan out. So, if someone wants to organize something of some kind, feel free to shoot me a PM. Otherwise, I'm just going to vote however. Maybe I'll tell you I'm voting one way and vote the other just to see what would happen, if I'd be forgiven or not. :p
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On May 04 2012 06:44 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
@Gonzaw:

My current read on Cephiro is that he's bad town. Most of the things he says I see as being wrong or scummy, but he's very stubborn and how he expresses himself makes me think he actually believes what he's saying. So, this lends me to thinking that he's just bad town, because of his conviction in what he's saying. I somewhat formed this read after I argued with him a little. That's why I asked if anyone was voting him on Day 1.

As for BC, I'm still waiting on him to come out with something, just like Sandroba and prplhz. Based on his complete lack of contribution before, I was leaning scum on him. He's come back now though, it seems, so I'm waiting to see what he does. I'll give a better read later on.

prplhz: If you want to talk about something, why don't you answer my questions?

On May 08 2012 02:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
So what are people's thoughts on Sloosh? There seemed to be a general feeling that he was scum, but now I don't see his name being mentioned at all for the lynch. Did something happen in PM land that I missed?

Also, for how the KP works. I don't think that there's some third party who holds all the KP, and just think that's Cephiro trolling. Even if it's true, we'll just kill him. He'd have already shown he's anti-town with the kills, and I doubt he'd tell us who are the mafia that have contacted him, like he seemed to imply happened.

My own views are that there's either a medic who's saved a likely target twice, or a bullet-proof third party who attracted shots twice, though that seems unlikely. I see the medic being a more realistic scenario considering it's likely scum would shoot into Palmar/Syllo/WBG to disrupt the town. If there isn't a medic, then I'm not sure why scum didn't shoot there, and it probably implies that one or more of them are scum.

On May 09 2012 08:52 Mr. Wiggles wrote:

I'm not sure what I think right now, and need to re-evaluate. If I'm still alive after the day post, I plan on going back and re-reading both yours and Chaoser's filters, among others. I think Sandroba is mafia, and most likely Cephiro is too. They both need to be killed next time they show up in the majority, unless something major happens that shows we need to act otherwise.

I had few other ideas, but after thinking about them, they don't make as much sense to me anymore. There's some weird things going on, but it probably seems that way because I'm lacking a lot of information. I'll be able to make slightly better sense of it after the Day post, but I think it lies mostly in the fact that Palmar/Syllo/WBG are holding information back.

Original Message From wherebugsgo:
welcome to my feelings this entire game.

I keep getting more scummy people than there are scum in the game, which eventually just pisses me off and makes me not want to play

Original Message From wherebugsgo:
Thanks for this, it's very useful. I have an idea, but I'm going to wait on it. In fact I'm going to tell gonzaw and syllo, so that if I die tonight they will know what I think.

based on this vote pattern, though, I think Palmar is scum. I will explain it to syllo and gonzaw and if I die tonight they will make the results public. If I don't die I'll do it myself.

The reason I'm not telling you now is because I want to play it safe. I want to see if the trend I see continues. Based on what I'm seeing I'm sure it will because it is nearly impossible for that type of trend to be purely accidental.