Liar Game Mini Mafia - Page 63

On May 09 2012 00:24 slOosh wrote:
Then why are you defending the people to be lynched via proposal of this extension plan rather than showing / convincing us that they have a good chance of flipping town? In all mafia games there is no 100% certainty unless you are either scum / power role, yet you would never cite that statistical chance as an excuse not to lynch - why is it different in this case? Am I wrong in interpreting your plan as "let's not lynch multiple people to get more information?" opposed to "let's not lynch multiple people because they have a good chance of flipping town?" Because if multiple people are scummy, why not just lynch them all?

On May 09 2012 01:19 chaoser wrote:
Also, I thought Me and MZ were a team. But now I'm with Ceph? What a fast-changing world. Are sloosh and prp still "confirmed town" in your books? Cause I'm pretty sure there's no such thing.

Well first of all, I think there's definitely one person in the WBG/Syllo/Palmar group that's probably mafia. MZ hasn't been scummy at all in my opinion and yet they think he's mafia, that's ridiculous. All of the pushed townie lynches have been people who disagreed with them, then were called scum, and then were angered and pushed to be lynched. It's fucking bullshit. I pretty much gave up after the whole BC thing and then their insisting that everyone follow their lead but then they blame everyone for mistakes they make. They basically wasted day 2...I think out of the three though, Palmar is probably the mafia. WBG had control of round b votes on day one and he could have totally caused a lot of havoc by making people vote in such a way that a multilynch occurred and then blame it one of the people that died. So he's probably not mafia. Out of syllo and palmar, syllo is the one that's trusting palmar and yet palmar has done nothing that's been trustworthy or not anti-town as far as I can see. I can only assume it's something in PMs but even then palmar is scummy as fuck and I think syllo is being blinded to that.

I still think ET is mafia due to his changing stance on sandro. HE goes from "I will tunnel you" to "he should be a secondary lynch" to "give him more time". The secondary lynch one was said WHILE sandro was in the majority.

His excuse for his change of opinion is "The case on Sandroba is "he's lurking", which isn't very substantial." While he himself criticizes prp for only that, lurking





It makes no sense that he would go from "tunnel sandro" to "i'm excusing him cause the only case against him is that he's lurky" while also saying prp is scummy and the only case he can bring against him is...that he is lurky (as he doesn't agree with MZ's meta argument against prp)

He also accepts WBG/Syllo/palmar's accusations that people are not contributing or not being a more active participant of the game as being mafia. Which is funny because they use that same argument to admonish town as well. So if they think you're townie and you're not contributing, you're just townie that needs to work harder. If you're someone they think is mafia, they say your not contributing makes you mafia. WTF?

So I'm thinking palmar/ET/???

Since sheth wasn't the final mafia, I think its either gonzaw or sloosh, most likely sloosh given his voting pattern with them (always 2-1) and also the fact that radfield didn't do jack shit early game and now he doesn't have to do anything since he's just coasting by cause apparently palmar and syllo think he's town.

Aside from that, I definitely think ceph and sandro are mafia.

what do you think?

On May 09 2012 01:25 syllogism wrote:

I have never called sloosh confirmed town and even if I was, why are you pushing the notion that I shouldn't consider them town when you aren't suspecting them of being mafia?

On May 09 2012 01:30 chaoser wrote:


Word? Cause I heard in PM land from sheth that you said prp and sloosh were confirmed townie.

On April 30 2012 22:32 chaoser wrote:
I don't know if everyone voting the same answer leads to no minority and then the game going to round B...has anyone asked the hosts about this? Also, I do think that a one person minority and everyone else being in the majority is the right thing to do. Everyone goes to Round B and while yes, it's possible that many townies might be killed at 0 votes, I highly doubt it will really get that bad. The really really bad townies will obviously die this way but that's good for the town as well since it gets rid of distractions early. It's like a vigi hit that the whole town controls. It's basically multi-lynch but not everyone knows the votes. I'm sure the votes will end up sorting things out though. Invisible hand! Free Market!

On May 01 2012 09:24 chaoser wrote:
here, let me ask a question to you radfield. What's the difference between people in the minority and the majority? Minority can't die right? Why would you take away a threat to a player like that? It makes no sense.

If you have a system in place to make it so that round 2 proceeds in an orderly manner then everything works out perfectly. I sent this to WBG already but I'll post it here as well.

for round two, it's based on whoever has the lowest points will be lynched right? so I was thinking of basing it on a gradient system. Most scummy, no points. We then have the rest pass points in a system following the player order.

so lets say it's like 5 people in the majority and 1 person in the minority. that's 25 points. lets say we think a is mafia. so the players are a, b, c, d, e, f

we think f is townie so he's in minority cause we need one. we move onto round 2.

b gives all his points to c, c gives all his points to d, d gives to e, e gives to b. If we all circle then a will have zero points. even if mafia was trying to save a, the two teams members would have to give 6 points total to save him. Because of the circle system, there's no way a can make back the deficient with his 5 points for both his teammates; one of his teammates will be adjacent to someone without 5 votes. That person is also mafia then.

f will be giving his votes, spread as evenly as possible, into the crowd of b, c, d, e. If things look wrong then f is suspicious.

WBG suggested to me that we do it so that everyone only cycles 4 votes and they give their one vote to whomever they want so that accountability would be an element and I agree. There's no way a would be able to get out of this situation unless his teammates out themselves.

On May 08 2012 20:45 syllogism wrote:

So I'm re-evaluating things in the light of what happened last night and noticed this. Who were the people who were starting to think he was town and did you PM them to ask why? Your playstyle is very aggressive, so I'm finding this explanation very dubious. Who have you been in PM contact with and can I see your logs?

On May 09 2012 01:30 chaoser wrote:
1.I still think ET is mafia due to his changing stance on sandro. HE goes from "I will tunnel you" to "he should be a secondary lynch" to "give him more time". The secondary lynch one was said WHILE sandro was in the majority.

His excuse for his change of opinion is "The case on Sandroba is "he's lurking", which isn't very substantial." While he himself criticizes prp for only that, lurking





2.It makes no sense that he would go from "tunnel sandro" to "i'm excusing him cause the only case against him is that he's lurky" while also saying prp is scummy and the only case he can bring against him is...that he is lurky (as he doesn't agree with MZ's meta argument against prp)

3.He also accepts WBG/Syllo/palmar's accusations that people are not contributing or not being a more active participant of the game as being mafia. Which is funny because they use that same argument to admonish town as well. So if they think you're townie and you're not contributing, you're just townie that needs to work harder. If you're someone they think is mafia, they say your not contributing makes you mafia. WTF?