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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
On May 08 2012 23:14 chaoser wrote: You reads of scum are literally people who disagreed with the palmar plan (MZ, Ace, BC, Me) and people who are lurking (sandro). Bugs disagreed loudly and passionately with my plan. It's not a matter of what, it's a matter of how and why. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
I know I'm town, I'm sure MZ is town given his actions at death. Sheth flipped town. 3 towns. I see a distinct lack of sloosh/prplhz. So are you saying that you think they are mafia after all? Are you going to produce that case on ET tonight? Tomorrow? Ever? I asked sheth/meapak/you to make a case on someone and none of you have. Thanks for taking that part out of context. I didn't say I thought they were mafia, only that town had thought them to be mafia at a time. But now there's no individual thought. Your "list of five" is held up as the only valid read. And now sheth has fallen and flipped green. I guess it's just a "list of four" now. This is exactly the situation I warned against early in the game; how long will it take town to decide your group is a piece of shit and actively destroying town? Too late is the answer, especially if you're going for multi lynches like you were yesterday. Are you going to produce that case on ET tonight? Tomorrow? Ever? I asked sheth/meapak/you to make a case on someone and none of you have. Obviously this cycle, don't sweat your pretty little head. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
look at what he quoted Ace as saying. It refers to round A voting, as chaoser himself admits. I have not tried to influence round A voting at all because I agreed with Ace that trying to do so would just put scum at an advantage. However, what did Ace have to say about round B voting? Well, not much. However, this post stands out: On May 01 2012 13:16 Ace wrote: I'm in the Minority? Deal with it people. bugs, chaoser just tell me where to place my votes. Ace supported a COOPERATIVE round B plan, since it's fucking common sense that town needs to work COOPERATIVELY with everyone on the SAME PAGE in order for us to kill scum. Individual players have a huge amount of power in this setup, which makes it all the more important that the town works in unison. That's why I'm encouraging people to step up and it's also why chaoser's argument that a centralized town discourages players from actually playing the game is total rubbish. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On May 09 2012 00:05 chaoser wrote: lol wbg, I can see you're going to stick with your arrogance. Cool. I mean, like I said, when MZ and I flip town, you'll have to eat your words. Also, can you please stop throwing around "retarded". It's ableist. I know I'm town, I'm sure MZ is town given his actions at death. Sheth flipped town. 3 towns. given that you still haven't coughed up a single case that you have promised for 3 days straight, I'm pretty damn confident you're scum and not town. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On May 08 2012 23:58 wherebugsgo wrote: n does as well and not buy into palmar/syllo group. I stopped here, since after reading this I realized the rest of it was just more bullshit. On May 05 2012 12:15 chaoser wrote: wow...i was wrong about BC/ceph v syllo/palmar... good job scum, you're now on my ignore list as well.[/QUOTE] Lol, your arrogance is astounding. As if you are the only important person in this game that matters and your ignore list is law. I ain't just posting for your benefit bud, I'm posting for everyone to read. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On May 09 2012 00:07 wherebugsgo wrote: given that you still haven't coughed up a single case that you have promised for 3 days straight, I'm pretty damn confident you're scum and not town. Isn't that what you said of Sheth and VE? Funny how they flipped town and both of them hated your little group. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On May 09 2012 00:08 chaoser wrote: Isn't that what you said of Sheth and VE? Funny how they flipped town and both of them hated your little group. they both worked against town. VE blew the only chance town had in 3 days to lynch sandro all because he wanted to be a rogue. His play was horrendous. I mean think about it, his top two scumreads were me and Ace. Who gives a shit if he flipped town if his play was completely antitown the entire time? | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
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slOosh
3291 Posts
So I've been thinking it through and looking over Foolishness' posts / PMs because he is smart town player. One thing I've noticed is how he thinks that distinguishing the families are important. Since it's my first time playing a game with 2 mafia families, I guess it's taken me some time to understand what this means, but I think I'm onto something / there's good discussion to be had here. We know that there are 2 mafia families. BloodyC0bbler flipped Yokoya. Let's say for the sake of flavor the other team is Harimoto. As already discussed, it is likely that Cephiro belongs to the Yokoya family, as well as Sandroba. The round B results support this as we see a 2-1 split between them D1 and D2. On D3 both vote no, but this is when the thread generally agrees that they are both scum. I'm guessing it is a bus gambit as they don't have much to gain from 1-1 split (where no doubt they would be in serious danger of being lynched) or an attempt to separate themselves from each other. For the Harimoto family I'm putting in chaoser and Meapak. This is primarily through sifting of Meapak's PMs. You can see that he is very active in PM land. He PMs BC & Cephiro, which indicates that he isn't of the Yokoya family. He doesn't PM sandroba, prplhz, chaoser, Palmer and gonzaw. Now it's understandable you wouldn't bother PMing people you think are mafia (Palmer, gonzaw, prplhz or sandroba). Yet there is no PM interaction between him and chaoser. Furthermore, looking into his filter there is no mention of chaoser. The same can be said of chaoser and his views on Meapak. He barely mentions him in the thread, and only with the last nights flip does Meapak suddenly become obvious town. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On May 08 2012 04:13 slOosh wrote: Then why are you defending the people to be lynched via proposal of this extension plan rather than showing / convincing us that they have a good chance of flipping town? In all mafia games there is no 100% certainty unless you are either scum / power role, yet you would never cite that statistical chance as an excuse not to lynch - why is it different in this case? Am I wrong in interpreting your plan as "let's not lynch multiple people to get more information?" opposed to "let's not lynch multiple people because they have a good chance of flipping town?" Because if multiple people are scummy, why not just lynch them all? And on that note we have all the information we need - we just need the confirmation in forms of flips. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
The vote pattern fits and so does the in-thread behavior (and PM behavior as well) | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
Still, it's way too premature to speculate about that before we even get one flip. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
Overall, it doesn't make sense for a scum Cephiro to not just save Meapak_Ziphh AND chaoser regardless of their respective alignment. | ||
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
On May 08 2012 23:56 wherebugsgo wrote: How do I have total control when one jackass like Cephiro can essentially change the lynch however he sees fit? LOLOLOLOL. <3 I like how my 5 votes "decide the lynch", compared to all the votes that you coordinate, I bet that's at least 30-ish... quite a good efficiency I have. I am fairly sure syllo is town, but either you & Palmar are being total douches or something is off. The first is very likely in Palmar's case, but considering you.... well, I'll be getting back to this later today. | ||
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
On May 09 2012 00:20 slOosh wrote: The OP link to night 3 is broken (linked to night 2 right now) So I've been thinking it through and looking over Foolishness' posts / PMs because he is smart town player. One thing I've noticed is how he thinks that distinguishing the families are important. Since it's my first time playing a game with 2 mafia families, I guess it's taken me some time to understand what this means, but I think I'm onto something / there's good discussion to be had here. We know that there are 2 mafia families. BloodyC0bbler flipped Yokoya. Let's say for the sake of flavor the other team is Harimoto. As already discussed, it is likely that Cephiro belongs to the Yokoya family, as well as Sandroba. The round B results support this as we see a 2-1 split between them D1 and D2. On D3 both vote no, but this is when the thread generally agrees that they are both scum. I'm guessing it is a bus gambit as they don't have much to gain from 1-1 split (where no doubt they would be in serious danger of being lynched) or an attempt to separate themselves from each other. For the Harimoto family I'm putting in chaoser and Meapak. This is primarily through sifting of Meapak's PMs. You can see that he is very active in PM land. He PMs BC & Cephiro, which indicates that he isn't of the Yokoya family. He doesn't PM sandroba, prplhz, chaoser, Palmer and gonzaw. Now it's understandable you wouldn't bother PMing people you think are mafia (Palmer, gonzaw, prplhz or sandroba). Yet there is no PM interaction between him and chaoser. Furthermore, looking into his filter there is no mention of chaoser. The same can be said of chaoser and his views on Meapak. He barely mentions him in the thread, and only with the last nights flip does Meapak suddenly become obvious town. ^ Sloosh's post about me belonging to the Yokoya family, read this if you haven't already: On May 08 2012 14:03 Cephiro wrote: BC would have died even if I hadn't overslept, as I was not going to vote for him. Let me explain it to you so you'll understand as well: As BC was universally outed, and his team agreed to bus him, the best play in this situation to try and take as many with him as possible. This is where my "bad town play" comes in. I was telling people how I considered him town, and he backed me up in return to some extent, to try to convince me of his townyness. This made BC fairly sure that I would have voted for him, as is also explained by him only giving 2 votes to me, as he was expecting me to give him easily at least three. That would have been enough to save himself but get me lynched, and as I would have flipped town, he could've argued about how he was right and possibly gained some credibility. The real situation was however that I trapped him all along. I ensured the BC lynch. On May 09 2012 00:38 Palmar wrote: chaoser is confirmed scum yes. he got saved by cephiroscum. At the moment I find it much more likely that you're scum rather than chaoser. And I know I'm town. | ||
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