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sandroba

Canada4998 Posts

May 04 2012 20:51 GMT

#881

Same goes for me. I want to kill bc but not cephiro.

wherebugsgo

Japan10647 Posts

May 04 2012 20:55 GMT

#882

Yeah, I thought VE was scum; so what? There is only one reason VE died instead of sandro and that's VE's own fault; he gave five votes to sandro. It was far too risky to give votes to VE because of his behavior and because of the risk that wasting votes on getting VE to 5+ would allow scum to put votes on sandro (pulling votes from someone else and potentially killing them)

At this point the thread is just getting filled up with garbage anyway, the only purpose for a sandro convo is to derail from the proper subject of lynch today.

Mr. Wiggles

Canada5894 Posts

May 04 2012 20:55 GMT

#883

On May 05 2012 05:51 sandroba wrote:
Same goes for me. I want to kill bc but not cephiro.

What are your reasons for this?

Sorry for not being around much the last 24 hours, I was out shopping for my brother's grad next week, and had to stay out longer than I expected.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

May 04 2012 20:59 GMT

#884

WBG are you going to answer my PMs? This is getting pretty annoying

sandroba

Canada4998 Posts

May 04 2012 21:02 GMT

#885

Honestly I bc's thread behavior is being on par with his behavior as town or mafia which I really can't tell apart. However I'm pretty sure sheth is mafia and BC gave him 4 votes ytd for no reason. Also he is also discussing me right now who am in the minority so that just seems like distraction and throwing shit in the fan. He never even metions sheth prior to his voting.
Cephiro I think is town due to behavior on thread. Not much to say about him since there is aparently no case against him.

BloodyC0bbler

Canada7875 Posts

May 04 2012 21:06 GMT

#886

On May 05 2012 06:02 sandroba wrote:
Honestly I bc's thread behavior is being on par with his behavior as town or mafia which I really can't tell apart. However I'm pretty sure sheth is mafia and BC gave him 4 votes ytd for no reason. Also he is also discussing me right now who am in the minority so that just seems like distraction and throwing shit in the fan. He never even metions sheth prior to his voting.
Cephiro I think is town due to behavior on thread. Not much to say about him since there is aparently no case against him.

eh? he got my votes because he wasn't someone to be lynched that day and had near 0 when I placed votes on him to prevent his death. I discussed these votes with bugs before I placed them as bugs was the one compiling the list of where votes were going. I had no reason aside from keeping him from being killed accidently because no one gave him votes. Was pretty sure I stated this already.

As for bringing your name up. Regardless of if someone is in the minority if someone suspects them they should be mentioned thus someone (in this case me) ends up dying and I never have my cases down to be followed later.

sandroba

Canada4998 Posts

May 04 2012 21:08 GMT

#887

Can you confirm this bugs? Did you tell BC to put 4 votes on sheth?

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

May 04 2012 21:16 GMT

#888

This game is incredibly stressful as I have to argue/coordinate with every single player in the game and now sandroba is back and acting all insulted for no reason. Yes how could we possibly think he is mafia

wherebugsgo

Japan10647 Posts

May 04 2012 21:17 GMT

#889

Yeah I did

wherebugsgo

Japan10647 Posts

May 04 2012 21:20 GMT

#890

Wait what the fuck how is Cephiro town "based on behavior in thread"???

Compare his filter here to DFM2, he doesn't go nuts as town because someone suspects him. His choice of words here is completely different too, and he undermines almost every effort that has been made by anyone, with absolutely no scumreads at all.

Sandro you suck at trolling, if you've truly been afk as town then I expect better of you

prplhz

Denmark8045 Posts

May 04 2012 21:23 GMT

#891

you're responsible for your own votes no matter what anybody said

sandroba

Canada4998 Posts

May 04 2012 21:48 GMT

#892

I don't know cephiro's meta, but I wouldn't say he is behaving like mafia. If you people are sure he is though, I have no qualms killing him. I'm not sure why we are killing BC anymore then, since it was bugs who saved sheth ytd for some unknown reason.

Liquid`Sheth

United States2095 Posts

May 04 2012 21:48 GMT

#893

On May 05 2012 05:30 gonzaw wrote:
About BC:

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On May 05 2012 04:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote:

On May 01 2012 21:10 Palmar wrote:
I want to kill VE

On May 02 2012 07:40 Katina wrote:

On May 02 2012 07:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
My reads are all very weak because I'm basing them on what I perceive to be what is the best for town, which in this game I'm not sure I even know what the best course of action for town is going to be.

That being said, my scumreads are:

Ace, wherebugsgo, Meapak | | chaoser, Katina, EchelonTee

Don't expect reasoning. It's true, all of my votes are on Sandroba. I feel like he's town and scum are pushing easy mislynches.

I apologize to everyone for my apparent lack of concern for this game, but I've earnestly been playing and trying to find scum regardless of what you may perceive in the thread. But several peoples' attitudes this game (Ace and bugs come to mind) have made this game completely not fun for me to play any longer.

O.o I like this. If I had a dime for a everytime someone called me scum without reasoning I would have enough hookers to serve the entire mafia community. Rawr.

After going back and rereading, I think that Radfield, VE, Sandroba, EcholenTee should die in the Majority.
I have explained Rafield and EcholenTee in one of my previous posts.
VE and Sandroba should die for not helping the town. By the way Palmar is Mafia.

On May 01 2012 15:03 Foolishness wrote:
First we should focus on who we want to kill. Personally I'm fine with VE or sandroba at this point (going to hold off on chaoser for now) and I could be convinced for Radfield as well.

I realize this will be difficult but we need some sort of collective agreement on who to kill. As long as the majority (no pun intended) of us agree on a lynch target then it will be easy to ensure they are killed.

For example, say we want to kill sandroba. That leaves 9 people we want to save. We have a total of 90 votes to work with. We vote in such a way to get each 9 players to have 10 votes. This will be done via spreading out (each player will vote for 5 separate people instead of piling all 5 votes on one person). Thus if anyone (dumb townie or mafia) tries to save him they will be unable to get enough votes to do so. And obviously if someone tries to deviate in such a manner we shoot them somehow.

On May 02 2012 06:13 gonzaw wrote:

About VE:

I was leaning town on him at first, because he was very aggressive, and at first he was actively trying to find some scum on wbg (although in a retarded fashion).
However, since then he's just trolling, being disruptive, acting defeated even though not many people actually FoSed him or anything.
Is this a trend or something? It's been 3 games in a row were people FoS VE and he starts acting like a crybaby and rage quitting.

I'm comparing this to LIII, where he had quite a few votes on him when he ragequitted, and quite a lot of opposition. And there he at least contributed with his reads as well, and also claimed.
But now he had hardly any pressure at all when he started acting like this, and didn't contribute at all afterwards. I could see his motivation for ragequitting on LIII, but now I don't see any motivation for him to do so, specially when there isn't a normal lynch system in this game.
That makes me think he's most likely mafia

.

You are right syllo, both you and bugs never actively said that you wanted ve or ace dead. I do have bugs saying he believed VE was scum in pms though. As such I do have palmar, katina, foolishness, bugs and gonza all fine with VE, and confrontation between ace and many of you via his filter.

So i have 5 of 6 people fine with killing a townie, and another large group at confrontation with one who died who was being aggresive towards what you guys were doing.

Ehmm, wtf are you arguing about? You wanted VE dead too, here:

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On May 02 2012 11:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote:

On May 02 2012 10:50 gonzaw wrote:
I don't get why no one of you would even try to cooperate.

At this rate the lynch could be on any of chaoser, VE or Sheth, and scum can choose whoever they like of them to save or kill, specially considering some players seem that they won't claim what they will exactly vote..

@Cephiro: Okay, so you are tunneling wbg now and being greatly aggressive against him too just for calling you out (effectively another OMGUS)
Noted.

The thing I don't get is why the hell Ace is playing like he's playing. I know people fear him and shit when he's scum because he's cunning, sways people, etc...but unless I'm missing something in PM land he's just completely useless this game. I even doubt he's scum because of that, but fuck he's being so uncooperative and useless it's hard to believe that.

Why would anyone fear ace? He is by far one of the easiest people to deal with in the game. If you think hes useless lynch / shoot him. If you think hes helpful, dont lynch or shoot him and instead med him. As for pm land, it is doubtful he is highly active there as he is renowned for saying how much he hates pm's.

As for general way thread is going at the moment. If VE honestly dropped a ton of votes on sandro he has to go. As much as I believe acting individually during phase A is ideal to avoid mafia manipulating the majority/minority system to always be safe, phase B is more important in regards to making sure the scummiest player or if we all agree, players are lynched. Anyone who blatantly refuses to go along with a decision that everyone was basically in agreement of (or at least if they weren't no solid defense was ever provided of sandro) then that person has to be dealt with somehow to avoid continued purposeful sabotage of the voting period.

Sandro has yet to come in and provide a reasonable defense of himself. I say this as he made his comment on what he had been up to, but had not at any point then followed it up with any form of solid town sandro play to assure us our worries were unfounded. Has anyone new information on this?

VE, why have you gone so suddenly appearing so damn crazy -_-.

Yet you are just rambling against syllo/Palmar/wbg/me/etc about "wanting to kill a townie"? Hypocrite much?

BC, yes you've made some "analysis", but to be honest it's not very convincing, and it's buried in 1000 posts about you bitching against everybody.

Just taking a look at your filter, every post of yours is a GIGANTIC WALL OF TEXT THAT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING.

For example:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=333034&currentpage=44#866

What does this say? Almost nothing. You just complain against Katina/syllo and keep complaining about people "sheeping", and saying that you are against "scumhunters that don't scumhunt publicly".

Everything else is clutter that only serves to disrupt.

Also, I see you say you make "analysis" and the like, but you still ignore important matters of the discussion.
For instance, I don't think I've seen your actual thoughts on Cephiro yet, or at all this game. You said he was "annoyed at being prodded", nothing else.

Instead of arguing, making gigantic walls of text filled with clutter, why don't you actually push those reads of yours? Why don't you stop disrupting the thread and post concise analysis, reasonings, etc?

About Sheth:

Okay so you say you are not sure about Cephiro, that you will reread his posts to make up your mind and that you are 50/50 on him, yet as soon as Round B starts you say you'll give all your votes to him.
What's worst, you never MENTION THAT AGAIN. Wtf? You've made the scummiest move in all game and you just shrug it off? Even after you make a list of reads (that don't include Cephiro), and people ask you for your thoughts on Cephiro you just say "I didn't forget anything. I commented on Foolishness' list.", and you never mention again.

However you mention once again then:

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What? You now still think Cephiro is "50/50"? Bullshit. You've been defending him all game, calling him town, and now you give your 5 votes to him. There's no way you think he's "50/50". Even worse, you don't put any reasoning behind your read at all. And again YOU DON'T JUSTIFY YOU GIVING YOUR 5 VOTES TO HIM.

Speaking of that list of "reads" of yours:

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You are "unsure" of everybody. You are wishy washy as hell. You don't state any reasoning behind anybody. You say things like "I like wbg so far".....????
Syllo and me are 60% scum in your opinion, but you don't say anything, you even imply that you think we are null or something.
Apparently you think syllo and me are scum, yet you actually treat us as null reads. You never push us, you never make any analysis on us, nothing. You just skate by the game and act all "good boy" and shit.
This is Day 2 and you act like it was 1 hour in Day 1. You don't read anybody's filter, you say "I haven't read him yet" every time and yet you fail to do so. You base some of your reads on things that happened like 2 days ago (you think I'm scum because I was "aggressive" against Cephiro like 3 days ago, yet you mention nothing else at all).

Yes, you are scum Sheth. You appear to be absolutely ignorant of everything that's happening in the thread (which is bullshit), and you don't even care about it. Even worse you act like it's nothing and do whatever you want.

To chaoser:

I see you haven't answered my new PM yet. Doesn't matter, answer me here then.
Why do you think ET is scum?
What do you think of Cephiro?

I care about whats going on. It was just a tough day1 with me having little time. Today I'm starting to get more ideas and reads. I'm also not acting or scum.

wherebugsgo

Japan10647 Posts

May 04 2012 21:52 GMT

#894

On May 05 2012 06:48 sandroba wrote:
I don't know cephiro's meta, but I wouldn't say he is behaving like mafia. If you people are sure he is though, I have no qualms killing him. I'm not sure why we are killing BC anymore then, since it was bugs who saved sheth ytd for some unknown reason.

So apparently sheth was the agreed-upon kill yesterday?

Hindsight is 20/20 but at no point did I see anyone seriously want to kill Sheth day 1.

gonzaw

Uruguay4911 Posts

May 04 2012 21:56 GMT

#895

On May 05 2012 06:48 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
I care about whats going on. It was just a tough day1 with me having little time. Today I'm starting to get more ideas and reads. I'm also not acting or scum.

You realize I didn't put quotes from your Day 1 right?

I'm talking about right now, Day 2.
You are acting like if nothing happened in the thread at all and you don't have any info to make any read whatsoever. You act like all of us are null, yet you still say things like we are "60% mafia" and shit without even pushing nor pressuring us.
You said you were unsure about Ceph, yet said you'll give him your 5 votes, and never mentioned that again, what does that have to do with a "tough day 1" and "having little time"?

wherebugsgo

Japan10647 Posts

May 04 2012 22:00 GMT

#896

btw the translation of the first sentence is this:

"cephiro is not on my scumteam, but he might be on the other one. Thus I'm fine with killing him."

Since when is town sandro so damn indifferent to who we lynch?

sandroba

Canada4998 Posts

May 04 2012 22:04 GMT

#897

Since I can't get anything done this game, cuz people think I'm mafia by default. Better let others that can get shit done decide who to lynch and not work against it.

wherebugsgo

Japan10647 Posts

May 04 2012 22:05 GMT

#898

lol.

Who should we kill in the majority then?