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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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EchelonTee
United States5245 Posts
On May 05 2012 06:48 Liquid`Sheth wrote: I care about whats going on. It was just a tough day1 with me having little time. Today I'm starting to get more ideas and reads. I'm also not acting or scum. "more ideas" - sounds promising. what ideas? don't see any. "i'm also not acting or scum" - convincing defense yo if there are pms i didnt respond to I'll get to them tomorrow. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
For integrity's sake I meant to stick 5 votes on prplhz, I fell asleep when I was putting my daughter to sleep last night so I forgot. I apologize to the players and the hosts. Seems like it didn't change the outcome so I guess it's ok. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On May 05 2012 05:20 chaoser wrote: ??? what does that even mean? how does that make him 100% scum? My point proven. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On May 05 2012 17:58 Palmar wrote: Yeah sorry guys. For integrity's sake I meant to stick 5 votes on prplhz, I fell asleep Seems like it didn't change the outcome so I guess it's ok. oops  be glad sandro gave him that 1 vote! Speaking of sandro, how come you never made that case on Meapak, scumdroba? | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
what was the purpose of saying in thread you were giving votes to Cephiro/what did you get out of it? Why did you choose to tell Meapak that you were lying and not anyone else? | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
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slOosh
3291 Posts
Foolishness (14) Katina (5), Mr. Wiggles (4), chaoser (2), EchelonTee (2), sandroba (1) Katina (10) Foolishness (5), gonzaw (3), Mr. Wiggles (1), sandroba (1) Palmar (8) syllogism (5), prplhz (3) gonzaw (7) EchelonTee (3), slOosh (3), sandroba (1) EchelonTee (7) gonzaw (2), slOosh (2), Liquid`Sheth (1), sandroba (1), wherebugsgo (1) Meapak_Ziphh (6) wherebugsgo (4), BloodyC0bbler (2) Cephiro (2) BloodyC0bbler (2) prplhz (1) sandroba (1) BloodyC0bbler (0) Nobody Do you guys think this is reflective of Meapak's alignment? Because the votes are hidden (opposed to D1 where there was a spreadsheet / VE just dumped a bunch on sandroba), scum are unsure of exactly how many votes they need to save their buddies if they are in risk of getting lynched. They have to run the gambit of if they put too much and it doesn't seem necessary it draws attention to themselves, but too little and it might not be enough to save a friend (or maybe even the opposing family scum as they want to survive town lynches). BC's two votes seem to fit that bill with Cephiro (whom I and most others think is scum) - and it looks like it could also be the case for Meapak. Are there PM's that can support either side? | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5245 Posts
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slOosh
3291 Posts
Furthermore, 2 votes seems premeditated. It pushes players into a threshold in which they cannot be lynched if someone else has 0 or 1 votes - this seems significant because it is the fine balance between wanting someone not to die but also being able to argue / explain the votes in a non incriminating way. Say he dumped 5 votes on Ceph and he somehow survived - barring getting into the minority there is no way that he isn't going to get lynched next day. Yet putting 1 vote may not be enough to save them, and might result in multiple people dying. I agree that this is not individually conclusive - as it could be him putting suspicion on MZ. That is why I'm asking if anyone has PM logs that may shed more light on the situation. | ||
Liquid`Sheth
United States2095 Posts
On May 05 2012 18:31 wherebugsgo wrote: Sheth, two questions: what was the purpose of saying in thread you were giving votes to Cephiro/what did you get out of it? Why did you choose to tell Meapak that you were lying and not anyone else? The point of saying that I was giving my votes to Cephiro was primarily to get information out of syllogism and his group. I figured this would set them off and I'd learn from it. Ironically I learned a ton from PM'ing with Cephiro about this action. It also stirred up some people and some people ignored it or thought it looked ok. So mainly I just got a great read on Syllogism with it. Who I think is townie now a days. I didn't only tell Meapak. The reason for telling meapak was just that it felt fine. I couldn't spread it to too many people and telling meapak is a two edged sword. If more then one person votes on Cephiro and provides him plenty of votes then theres a good chance someone I told was mafia. If they didn't get a great amount of votes then I trust that person slightly more at little to no cost to me. I realize its not "great" play, but I just wanted to gain a little more knowledge from people outside of the thread. And it worked out ok for me. | ||
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Liquid`Sheth
United States2095 Posts
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slOosh
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On May 05 2012 16:30 syllogism wrote: Foolishness I would be very interested to hear who you would like to lynch tomorrow. sandroba/Cephiro. I don't see how there can be much debate anymore about this. Though I suppose I can get behind a Sheth lynch. Palmar syllogism Katina gonzaw Foolishness wherebugsgo There is a very very high chance that there is one mafia in that list (and that mafia is not on BC's team). By process of elimination I still advocate that it is Palmar as I more strongly believe the rest are townies (yes I know syllogism, you are 99% Palmar town). I just want people to be aware of that and thinking about it in the future. I'm not advocating we shoot Palmar or anyone else in that list right now. Attention should be shifted to the other list from day 1, as I think it's likely there are 4 mafia in that list (and I'm definitely sure there's at least 3). I'd also like to point out the minority list from day 2: chaoser Liquid`Sheth Mr. Wiggles Radfield sandroba syllogism Again we should assume there are at least 2 mafia in this list (of opposite families). At least one person in this list is part of BC's family. Let's assume that sandroba is mafia. Given how he was nearly killed day 1, I think it's safe to assume that sandroba's two mafia members were in the majority list day 2. Their mafia team voted 2-1 with sandroba as the 1 so that he would have a stronger chance of being in the minority (and thus we would not be able to kill him). So if sandroba flips mafia it is safe to assume that nobody else on the above list is on his team. If sandroba is mafia, then there's two mafia on the same team in the majority list. I think it's most likely that BC and sandroba are on the same team. I would also put Cephiro as their third member. Here's the majority list for day 2 again: BloodyC0bbler Cephiro EchelonTee Foolishness gonzaw Katina Meapak_Ziphh Palmar prplhz wherebugsgo Since BC is mafia, and since everyone seems to agree that there is only 2 mafia in the day 1 minority list, it is also safe to assume that one of BC's allies is in the above list. This goes back to Katina's argument about the cycles. Mafia teams will always vote 2-1 and will alternate between members who is the 1. This is because they don't not want to continuously vote the same 2-1 as it will become very suspicious later on in the game that the same people are voting the same way. What am I getting at? First day BC's mafia team made BC the 1 and his other two members were the 2 and in the majority. Day 2 and the switch to a different member. Which member is most likely to switch to? sandroba. Is it likely that sandroba is part of the other mafia team? I don't think so. That means we need 2 people in the day 2 majority list who are on his team, one of which is from the day 1 minority list. As the day 1 minority list has players everyone seems to perceive as town, and going that mafia team's cycle, this would mean that there are 4 mafia (including BC) in the day 2 majority list. That basically means that of the following players: + Show Spoiler + Cephiro EchelonTee Foolishness gonzaw Katina Meapak_Ziphh Palmar prplhz wherebugsgo there are 3 mafia. I don't find it reasonable that there are 3 mafia in the above list, but if I had to choose it would be Cephiro, Meapak, and Palmar. But even then that's a big stretch as I believe syllogism when he says Palmar is town and I'm leaning town on Meapak. That was a bit confusing. My overall point is that if sandroba is mafia then he's on the same team as BC. I also think it's likely that each of the day 2 minority/majority lists have 3 mafia in them. For the long run, I think it makes sense to kill sandroba/Cephiro first. We then shoot into chaoser/sloosh/Sheth/maybe Meapak. Either way we shoot into the day 1 majority list. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
On May 06 2012 00:19 slOosh wrote: wherebugsgo (15) Meapak_Ziphh (5), Liquid`Sheth (4), chaoser (3), prplhz (2), BloodyC0bbler (1) Foolishness (14) Katina (5), Mr. Wiggles (4), chaoser (2), EchelonTee (2), sandroba (1) Katina (10) Foolishness (5), gonzaw (3), Mr. Wiggles (1), sandroba (1) Palmar (8) syllogism (5), prplhz (3) gonzaw (7) EchelonTee (3), slOosh (3), sandroba (1) EchelonTee (7) gonzaw (2), slOosh (2), Liquid`Sheth (1), sandroba (1), wherebugsgo (1) Meapak_Ziphh (6) wherebugsgo (4), BloodyC0bbler (2) Cephiro (2) BloodyC0bbler (2) prplhz (1) sandroba (1) BloodyC0bbler (0) Nobody Do you guys think this is reflective of Meapak's alignment? Because the votes are hidden (opposed to D1 where there was a spreadsheet / VE just dumped a bunch on sandroba), scum are unsure of exactly how many votes they need to save their buddies if they are in risk of getting lynched. They have to run the gambit of if they put too much and it doesn't seem necessary it draws attention to themselves, but too little and it might not be enough to save a friend (or maybe even the opposing family scum as they want to survive town lynches). BC's two votes seem to fit that bill with Cephiro (whom I and most others think is scum) - and it looks like it could also be the case for Meapak. Are there PM's that can support either side? I don't think BC's votes say too much about either Cephiro or Meapak. Like you said, it could be that one of them (or both, though that seems unlikely) are on his team, and he wanted to save them. On the other hand, maybe that's what he wants us to think and they're really town, and so on into WIFOM Hell. I think it's better to just look at them based on their own merits and not factor in the votes. Even if they weren't on BC's team, and he is trying to incriminate them, there's nothing stopping them from being on the other team, so it's not like it clears them, and if we think they're scummy enough, we'll lynch them anyways. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On May 06 2012 02:37 Liquid`Sheth wrote: The point of saying that I was giving my votes to Cephiro was primarily to get information out of syllogism and his group. I figured this would set them off and I'd learn from it. Ironically I learned a ton from PM'ing with Cephiro about this action. It also stirred up some people and some people ignored it or thought it looked ok. So mainly I just got a great read on Syllogism with it. Who I think is townie now a days. I didn't only tell Meapak. The reason for telling meapak was just that it felt fine. I couldn't spread it to too many people and telling meapak is a two edged sword. If more then one person votes on Cephiro and provides him plenty of votes then theres a good chance someone I told was mafia. If they didn't get a great amount of votes then I trust that person slightly more at little to no cost to me. I realize its not "great" play, but I just wanted to gain a little more knowledge from people outside of the thread. And it worked out ok for me. What do you mean by the bold? You think Cephiro is mafia and his scumbuddies would give him votes or something? Anyways, so you are saying that all your behaviour last day was a façade to figure out syllo's alignment? Even you being "unsure" about everybody and ignoring everything happening in the thread and everybody else? Couldn't you just try to figure out syllo's alignment or his group by reading their posts or PMing them directly? You decided to play as scummy as possible to do so? | ||
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