EPTIs EG really the most racist progaming organization ever?
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1sz2sz3sz
Andorra173 Posts
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Angel_
United States1617 Posts
On May 02 2012 02:03 parkjimo wrote: Quantic has had chances in the past to discipline him for his terrible behavior. It is not the first time that Destiny has acted badly towards people. He calls people "faggots" or "niggers" or "gooks" or anything else he thinks is provocative enough to get attention. Quantic has never once done anything about it. In fact, they seemingly encourage it. and how many times have you or anyone else emailed quantic about it? exactly. | ||
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parkjimo
Korea (South)15 Posts
Go ahead and say that I am bad for writing to sponsors about this. You shouldn't be so ignorant and realize that nothing will be done unless sponsors are notified of this behavior. | ||
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IMNasty
663 Posts
On May 02 2012 02:07 parkjimo wrote: I still find it humorous that any of you think Quantic will do anything about it. Hell, even Teamliquid probably wouldn't do anything. They WANT Destiny to act like a terrible, bad mannered asshole because it brings them attention and money. Go ahead and say that I am bad for writing to sponsors about this. You shouldn't be so ignorant and realize that nothing will be done unless sponsors are notified of this behavior. making a new account just for this thread eh? must suck to be in the minority | ||
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Mallidon
Scotland557 Posts
On May 02 2012 02:05 iNcontroL wrote: Nobody is saying don't complain.. people are saying don't jump to the top of the pyramid to the MOST uninformed people (sponsors) who have the MOST to lose when it comes to situations like this so they react the MOST drastically. It's like calling in the national guard because someone stole your car. Yeah it's horrible and bad but we don't need AR armed soldiers running after the guy. Give the police a chance.. Spot on, and from someone with a fuckton more knowledge about what is going on in the scene regarding sponsorship etc than 99.99% of people on TL Also glad I'm not the only one making analogies about this :D | ||
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Firesilver
United Kingdom1190 Posts
On May 02 2012 02:03 iNcontroL wrote: I know everyone has the ability to post on TL so I guess I shouldn't be responding but it's important that other people know I guess: Yes, emailing EG's sponsors with the orb situation DID have a negative effect. EG is fortunate enough to have amazing fans who on a regular basis email our sponsors and tell em they love em and appreciate what they do for eSports. That was needed because of the people that emailed saying EG sponsors/supports a racist. Sponsors don't read every thread, they don't check forums, they don't watch every tweet.. when they get an email there is a dangerous possibility that is the ONLY message from that situation they are getting. Emails aren't filtered or edited for fairness they are 90% the emotional response from someone (when the situation is like an orb/destiny) and it's the first draft. Those emails can cause real damage in a industry (SC2) that isn't shitting gold.. we are fighting for survival. I understand you hear all the time: email sponsors! Tell em you love em! and I could understand the argument "well they need to hear the good with the bad." But that is dangerous for us. Destiny doesn't represent all of Quantic nor does he represent all of the community but when you email the sponsors about a relatively small issue you can potentially cause gargantuan ripples in a place where we can't afford said ripples. Just please trust me on this.. email the shit out of quantic. Tweet the shit out of them. Post on TL about how upset you are.. but do NOT email sponsors threatening them with things and telling them one side of a small story. This is a perfect sum up to what myself and others have been saying countless times in this thread, it ends up doing more harm than good overall and people want SC2 to continue to grow and this is not only going to effect a whole team that needs sponsors but also future teams. Please just email Quantic instead. Edit: On May 02 2012 02:07 1sz2sz3sz wrote: Is EG a racist organization? Have you realized that they kicked out all of their American-born Asians to make their "real" team even more white? Why is the so-called "leader" of EG a neo-nazi? See: 88Incontrol, 88 stands for Heil Hitler and the music Incontrol listens to definitely falls into that neo-nazi scene. There were even TL posts saying that he belonged to a "white" club in high school. There have been screenshots of Idra calling certain Korean people "kimchiman" and "dog eating gook" Is EG really the most racist progaming organization ever? What the fuck? | ||
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ScienceRob
United States382 Posts
On May 02 2012 02:03 MaGariShun wrote: did you just really compare the FUCKING HOLOCAUST with destiny saying "nigger" on stream? No, I did not. Calm yourself. He asked a question which I answered. The fact is that the public endorsment of racial slurs served to further racism. Sorry if you don't like this example of a certain truth. I can use other examples if it offends you. | ||
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shrinkmaster
Germany947 Posts
On May 02 2012 01:52 iNcontroL wrote: mailing sponsors instead of the team is so completely fucked up and horrible. mail the SHIT out of quantic. If they don't do anything or say anything for a few weeks.. make threads, tweet, write more letters to quantic.. but by no means at all should you mail sponsors with things like that. Razer sponsors a lot more than just destiny or even quantic.. by one man's error you are potentially making it worse for a LOT of people. Even if you disagree with what I said you could probably agree that quantic deserves a chance to respond before you start emailing sponsors. dear incontrol, i can understand your point, because you're a person who has to directly deal with everything our mails to razer achieve. but i can't understand how you expect us to wait weeks for quantic gaming to respond in this short-lived times. if they were known for taking a stand against unaccepable behaviour i could've waited for a response, but they already gave a subliminal statement when they signed a person like destiny. "he is well known for his behaviour on stream, this is not new, we don't care as long as people don't care loud enough" neither did i ever read a statement from one of the other players on quantic that they are not ok with destiny's behaviour. so the team and any player can be accountable for the outcome of this shitstorm. supporting evil behaviour by not acting against it or just being silent is just as bad as the behaviour itself. the good thing about messaging razor directly is that they are sponsoring so many teams. they are in a position to enforce professional behaviour from many more players than a single pro-team could ever do. if my email to razer is playing a tiny part in forcing teams to have higher recruitment standards or leads to a moral code for razer sponsored teams i can be proud. and frankly if we as a community don't take a firm stand against any haters of gays/women/ethnic groups we don't deserve to have sponsored teams. | ||
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
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Young Terran
United Kingdom265 Posts
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duracell
53 Posts
On May 02 2012 02:02 Dreycor wrote: Of course i agree that the community is allowed to speak their mind, it would be rather hypocritical if i said they weren't. what i'm trying to accomplish is the idea that people shouldn't be punished on the basis of opinions. If the community has the opinion that what he did was wrong then let them prove it. Opinions aren't proof. if i think someone has done something wrong should i not prove it? i compel you to prove that destiny has done something wrong and wish you luck with that. I am not trying to prove that. Your post was advocating free speech, and this entire thread is basically all about that; both Destiny and the community all have the right to express themselves. The community (or whoever is voicing displeasure) is arguing they are displeased and disrespected by his language. They don't have to prove anything, because that is a fact. They feel that way. He shouldn't be punished legally because it is not a law, but he can be punished in other ways such as contacting sponsors or social ostracization. Along with the right to speak comes the right to be criticized. | ||
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parkjimo
Korea (South)15 Posts
On May 02 2012 02:07 Angel_ wrote: and how many times have you or anyone else emailed quantic about it? exactly. I have a few times already. Most recently I emailed them about when he called Startale_Rainbow a "faggot" on ladder. Nothing happened. | ||
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ThomasHobbes
United States197 Posts
On May 02 2012 01:59 Klondikebar wrote: Your entire argument boils down to "I should be able to say offensive things that have no place in polite society." You aren't saying anything more intelligent than the 12 year olds who think they're being edgy and hardcore on xbox live by spouting that nonsense. There's a huge difference between swearing and slurring. And no, you've never been marginalized for being white. Asians have been marginalized for being asian. Homosexuals have been marginalized for being homosexual. If you want to pretend like you're some valiant defender of free speech, go right ahead. The Starcraft higher ups have already made it pretty clear they don't like this stuff coming from their players or casters. Maybe the LoL community will have a home for you. Asians are not really a marginalized minority within our society. They are comparable if not more successful than whites on most of the relevant criteria; college attendance, job performance, the like. The mere fact that we stereotype Asians as "smart" or "good at math" is pretty indicative of this. If you look at the community's perception of Koreans in general, this is pretty clear. Many individuals think Koreans are better either just innately or because their culture is innately superior. Yeah, that could be true, but it's often characterized as racist when applied to Western (read: white) cultures. I'm sorry that you get offended easily, but that's you, I don't really care about slurs on my Irish ethnicity, although it's only been a few decades since we've fit in mainstream "white" society, and barring the sole exception of the Kennedy family, are generally absent from the top echelons of American society. Slurs on African Americans receive a more serious response in American society because of the huge impact white-black race relations has had on this country. For better or worse, that's a fact, and orb paid for that mistake. Destiny insulted some random guy on a video game in which said ethnicity is widely regarded as superior. I don't see anything coming of this. | ||
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pirsq
Australia145 Posts
On May 02 2012 01:07 Destiny wrote: I want you to tell me which words I can and cannot say, and why certain groups of people are special enough to have certain words not said for them, and the others are unworthy of said "protected status". Good luck! It isn't about words, it's about language. It's okay to use the word "gook" in a meaningful sentence like "why do we call Asians gooks anyway?" It's not okay to say "you fucking gook" to someone. Why is it your problem if other people are offended by your words, you ask? Because we're not talking about someone taking offence at an offhand remark you made, we're talking about you going out of your way specifically to insult someone. | ||
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Greenei
Germany1754 Posts
On May 02 2012 01:50 Destiny wrote: Sorry, "PR"? You want to talk about respect? How about treating a community of people like humans, and not a mindless hive-blob of blithering idiots waiting for you to appease them with hollow, empty, meaningless phrases that everyone finds kosher? You may not like what I have to say, but I will go down in flames screaming nigger/gook/spick/faggot/queer before I ever release a pointless cookie-cutter apology. I'm honestly disgusted and disappointed that you, as a human being, find meaning in these bullshit PR moves that other people make. I'm tired of public figures that stand for nothing, and instead merely try to act as a mirror, reflecting back onto other people whatever it is they want to see. + Show Spoiler [mod edit] + ![[image loading]](http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1kulyUbza1qzma4ho1_400.jpg) It's true, that these apologies often help to fix the communitys perception of a player (see Naniwa). But I for one alway think less off a player that apologizes for PR reasons if I believe they don't mean it (also see Naniwa, one day before the apology he was very vocal about his opinion and the next day he says he was completely wrong. Though he probably got pressured hard from some sponsor/team/we so its kinda understandable). I respect it more if people just keep it real and don't bow to some people, that want to shape the community in their ways while spoiling the fun for many others. That being said I don't believe it would be even smart for him to make a cookie-cutter apology, because he would eiter just BM a whole lot and nobody would take it serious or he wouldn't BM which would make him lose fans surely. And even if quantic kicks him out, he makes his moneys because of his stream, so the only guys he shouldn't fuck with are the TL-Admins :D User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Trowa127
United Kingdom1230 Posts
On May 02 2012 02:07 SC2Phoenix wrote: "Oh no, someone said something disrespectful over the internet again! Lets all run to Razer and email them about it" God this community is fucking stupid at times. There isn't even a point in making a logical post about the issue with the amount of people who come here just to flame destiny. At times? I'm trying to think of an instance in the last six months when I've seen a decent post on this fucking forum. | ||
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mastergriggy
United States1312 Posts
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Rorschach
United States623 Posts
On May 02 2012 01:59 parkjimo wrote: I emailed Razer about Destiny and Quantic Gaming because asking Quantic Gaming to do anything will not accomplish anything. It is clear that the team only picked up Destiny because of his abrasive and terrible behavior. His dark and edgy ways are what Quantic Gaming actually like about him, so it is useless to expect them to do anything. As long as he is bringing attention to himself and his team, he is good no matter what. The only way to actually get done is to email sponsors and concern them about his behavior. Sorry if this seems "extreme", but it is the only choice. I can't even stand Destiny but you sir are a total asshat for emailing sponsors... Seriously FUCK YOU and people like you. | ||
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Thylacine
Sweden882 Posts
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omgimonfire15
United States233 Posts
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