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GMarshal
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ArcticFox
United States1092 Posts
On April 27 2012 01:16 imallinson wrote: A case for Draco being scum: ----- ##Vote: Dracolich70 On April 27 2012 01:16 GMarshal wrote: Replacement found, Stossel replaces Dracolich70. Did anyone else laugh incredibly hard at this series of events? I couldn't help it. I laughed only to not cry. XD Any opinions on people other than Dracolich (Stossel now)? What are your thoughts on Zealos? oneplus? Any other scum reads you have that we should be made aware of? | ||
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Zealos
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ArcticFox
United States1092 Posts
On April 27 2012 01:35 Zealos wrote: Arctic, do you have any response to my thoughts? I'm in agreement on Maju insofar as his posting hasn't been solid enough. I don't read it as scummy simply because he's been open with his reads, but it's enough to take notice and expect more -- you'll notice I made this argument earlier today. I'm reserving judgement until I see his response and some solid reads rather than the listy posts he's done so far. I'm also more or less in agreement on Dr3am. I'm thoroughly looking forward to him putting forth analysis for today about what's gone on so far, especially in light of nreekay's flip. imallinson is the easy lurker pick. I have no arguments here, even after the post on Dracolich, in which he gave his opinion on one player and nothing else after being gone for 2 days (and it's the same posting technique he used in NMM8, though he's far less active in this game, probably because the average activity level is low enough he thinks he can get away with it). draco, on the other hand, has shit up the thread plenty, then suddenly disappeared (now we know why the lurky part happened.) I don't have much to say on this until his replacement starts contributing. Right now there's a lot of people out for blood on Draco, so we'll have to see if Stossel can do anything to alleviate that, or if this bandwagon will still gain steam. My main problem with the suspicion on Maju and Draco both is that they pretty much went at each other's throats, which is an odd move for scum to do when neither of them are really up for vote -- it's very likely either double town, or 1 town/1 scum, and highly unlikely that both are scum. We have 3 replacement players with a grand total of 1 post between them. I'm hopeful they'll be active and contributive. As for you, It'll take more than one post to get you off my scum radar, but it's a start. Keep up the activity. I'd like your opinion on oneplus's activity so far as well. | ||
imallinson
United Kingdom3482 Posts
On April 27 2012 01:33 ArcticFox wrote: Did anyone else laugh incredibly hard at this series of events? I couldn't help it. I laughed only to not cry. XD Any opinions on people other than Dracolich (Stossel now)? What are your thoughts on Zealos? oneplus? Any other scum reads you have that we should be made aware of? Yeah that was unfortunate. It makes my case against him impossible for the replacement to defend. Zealos I still think is fairly scummy. He hasn't posted much of worth and made a bad case against Maju while defending Yomi. Simmilar to Draco's posting. Oneplus defends Yomi but has actually contributed a decent amount. Posts his reads and I like his analysis of the voting on Yomi. He is leaning town in my eyes. | ||
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ForTheDr3am
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a) Top 2 scumreads, with explanations that are not only founded on lurking. b) Top 1 townread, with a well formulated explanation. c) An overall definition of what sort of behaviour you would see as scummy. Does not necessarily have to overlap with your scumreads. d) One (or more) passage of text in the game from any player that bothers you specifically, do say why. I know it sounds a bit awkward to ask that, but the thread is so inactive that I feel that some radical measures are needed. I am going to answer the first point at the end of my post as well, but the others only later since I don't want them to be parroted. --------------- @imallinson: Your case against Dracolich is basically a rehash of what I have discussed against him. Not worth anything. Also, please explain this sentence to me. Oneplus defends Yomi but has actually contributed a decent amount. You imply that defending yomi is a bad thing. What makes you think so? @insectoceanx: You haven't posted yet since then, but I have asked you to explain to me what you think classifies as scummy as well. And even though the poor guy is deceased now, I want you to give a more in-depth opinion of what made you think that nreekay is town. @oneplus: I wouldn't hugely object to either a Zealos or a now Stosser (although I'd like to see some posts of the latter first) lynch, but your logic is a bit all over the place. There is not much base on which we can decently guess how scum voted day 1, and I also don't see why Maju would be so much more suspicious if one of them flipped red. In this inactive atmosphere, I don't see too much incentive for scum to bus each other. It's still a possibility of course, but nothing you can build a case on. --------------- Overall, my strongest suspicions currently lie on imallinson and Zealos. Both have posted a rehashed case only after being called out several times, with the biggest difference that imallinson managed to write more text and less original content. On the other hand, I expected Zealos to post something more substantial, especially after him implying that in the night and even calling his own case decent although it's just basically the same before and he could say the same (posting empty content) for several people. | ||
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Zealos
United Kingdom3571 Posts
You're scum before you use @'s in your posts. I am doing it right? | ||
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ArcticFox
United States1092 Posts
On April 27 2012 04:53 Zealos wrote: You guys: With 16 or so people in the game, suspecting the same people as others, and have similar reasoning cannot be seen as scummy surely. If you want something original then here goes: You're scum before you use @'s in your posts. I am doing it right? What is this post? What possible town motivation do you have to make this post? It makes an acceptable point, but it's a terribly aggressive response to the perfectly valid criticism from Dr3am that you made us wait 2 days for a fairly light post. This is not the productive style of posting that town needs. This is the type of aggressive post that gets you knee-jerk lynched. Stop it. | ||
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ArcticFox
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Zealos
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ArcticFox
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On April 27 2012 05:30 Zealos wrote: It was trying to make the point with an example. I didn't intent it to come out that aggressive, my apologies. I think we'll all calm down a bit once the replacements and last straggling lurkers come back and post, so we have something more to work with. Right now we're going in circles with stagnant information, and some fresh perspective might shine some light on things. As of right now, I can't think of any clear reason not to lynch imallinson tonight. | ||
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ArcticFox
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Zealos
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Stossel
United States47 Posts
I'm going to say that trying to get reads through playing catch-up makes a hard job even harder. I'll go ahead and follow Dr3am's advice and use his format. a) Top 2 Scumreads 1) imallinson - He votes yomi and finger's Zealos but later builds an entire case on Draco, his former #3, seemingly dropping his suspicions on Zealos altogether. I'm reading initial heat then a misdirect. I didn't want to bring up his lack of posting to avoid using lurking as my main argument, but there's not much else to go on here. Also, at this point I think that his lack of posts are a fairly valid point of suspicion. 2) Zealos - many one-liners, with posts like "He's right, no lynch = really bad.". Not contributing overly much. His reason for being suspicious of draco was "Mainly due to the number of people bringing him up", which smacks of bandwagoning in my mind. He's been active lately and looking to contribute though so I give imallinson my top scumread. b) Townreads ArcticFox - He's vigilant but he's not overly aggressive. An overly aggressive play tells me someone is trying to force people to believe he's a Townie. Dr3am's recent post is too aggressive for me to give him top billing, because it seems like he's trying to build dirt on other people before eyes go looking for someone else. I'm not saying I'm giving him a scumread, but that's why he's not my top townie. c) What is scummy? As I said earlier, overly aggressive play. A smart player knows we're new, knows we've read the basic strategies and advice. It's only natural that they're going to not want to fit into those roles that general advice dictates they are. In general, inconsistencies with posts and accusations/arguments that come out of nowhere are what would flag me. A person who begins to take issue with points not relating to the game at hand is either getting too upset or misdirecting on purpose. The later is poor play and the latter is scummy. d) Quoting nreekay: "yomi had only the minimum 7/7 votes to be lynched, however. By acting crazy in the beginning, yomi singled himself out;" nreekay is no longer with us but this is an important point about mindset. No matter how much we think yomi had it coming or deserved what he got, we have to hold that to our chest. Not to emphasize the mistakes we made but to use that so we don't make the same mistakes later. Recognizing and differentiating erratic play from purposefully distracting, misdirecting play is key. I think what it means is we need to be more cautious on bandwagoning in the future. We can hang ourselves by our own rope if we're not careful. | ||
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Zealos
United Kingdom3571 Posts
On April 27 2012 07:09 Stossel wrote: 2) Zealos - many one-liners, with posts like "He's right, no lynch = really bad.". Not contributing overly much. His reason for being suspicious of draco was "Mainly due to the number of people bringing him up", which smacks of bandwagoning in my mind. He's been active lately and looking to contribute though so I give imallinson my top scumread. I really feel like this is beating a dead horse at this point. Yeah, I was super annoying at the start, granted, and have admitted it being a case of my ego getting too big, but if people wanna keep accusing me they're gonna need something new. | ||
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insectoceanx
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ArcticFox
United States1092 Posts
Now, I think we've given people ample time to show up and be useful. I'm more than ready to lock in my vote. ##Vote: imallinson He's almost made it his job to be useless to town. Had absolutely no opinion on anybody in town in his big summary post ("seems town, seems scum, null read, might be scum" etc etc -- you can check his filter and read it, it's not hard to find in his 4 posts), except for yomi, who he bandwagoned onto very easily. He had an FoS on Zealos after that, then decided to make his 3rd post on....Dracolich? He has volunteered no other opinions seperate from when I asked him directly about Zealos and oneplus, and his post there was STILL the "leaning town" and "fairly scummy" non-commital posting style he's done. In short, he's posted little, and what he's posted says nothing. He's scum and needs to hang. | ||
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insectoceanx
United States331 Posts
@insectoceanx: You haven't posted yet since then, but I have asked you to explain to me what you think classifies as scummy as well. And even though the poor guy is deceased now, I want you to give a more in-depth opinion of what made you think that nreekay is town. What has been sticking out to me as scummy play is people who are either not posting any content or the content they post is mostly fluff an example of this has been Maju's posting. As far an nreekay his posts were good and I agreed with most of the things he brought up at this point in the game he just seemed more likely town. I have 2 main suspects as mafia right now. 1 Maju He has been doing nothing but defending himself the entire game and has never contributed anything @MAJU: If you are not scum post something of significance giving your top 2 candidates for scum and give them something to answer to. Don't defend yourself just post something about someone else. 2 Imallinson Already suspicious of him now he is defending Maju and voting draco, who just got switched out. His first vote was for yomi and then his very next post is voting for draco. Imallinson you posted this in your one post where you said very little about everyone Dracolich70 I'm finding the defence of yomi and attack on maju, following yomi and Zealos, fairly suspicious. He's my # 3 scum read behind yomi and Zealos. @ImallinsonWell yomi rolled green so why are you still so suspicious of Draco? I feel Maju is likely scum and you are also defending him. Post something that will make me feel otherwise. | ||
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MajuGarzett
Canada635 Posts
On April 27 2012 10:07 insectoceanx wrote: @insectoceanx: You haven't posted yet since then, but I have asked you to explain to me what you think classifies as scummy as well. And even though the poor guy is deceased now, I want you to give a more in-depth opinion of what made you think that nreekay is town. What has been sticking out to me as scummy play is people who are either not posting any content or the content they post is mostly fluff an example of this has been Maju's posting. As far an nreekay his posts were good and I agreed with most of the things he brought up at this point in the game he just seemed more likely town. I have 2 main suspects as mafia right now. 1 Maju He has been doing nothing but defending himself the entire game and has never contributed anything @MAJU: If you are not scum post something of significance giving your top 2 candidates for scum and give them something to answer to. Don't defend yourself just post something about someone else. 2 Imallinson Already suspicious of him now he is defending Maju and voting draco, who just got switched out. His first vote was for yomi and then his very next post is voting for draco. Imallinson you posted this in your one post where you said very little about everyone @ImallinsonWell yomi rolled green so why are you still so suspicious of Draco? I feel Maju is likely scum and you are also defending him. Post something that will make me feel otherwise. + Show Spoiler + insectoceanx - Unsure. Generally thoughtful posts that don't shy away from suspicion or accusations when needed. This would usually be characteristic of a townie.. I personally did not see his last minute vote for yomi as suspicious as he had earlier posted his own suspicions of yomi but nreekay made a pretty good case against him I think. I would like to hear his response to what nreekay said. St. Daniel/ Gossemerr - Completely unsure though I thought his point against Dr3am didn't make very much sense. Dracholich70 - I am slightly suspicious of Dracolich. At the start of the game he was subtly discouraging voting and was mostly recapping instead of posting his thoughts. Later he revealed his suspicions of me and yomi. This also may hint toward mafia as we now now that yomi was innocent and I at least know that I am a townie. Though I do have my suspicions, dracholich would not be my first candidate as mafia. Once he, like I am doing now, posts his opinions on people other than me, I may be able to draw new conclusions. oneplus - I initially thought he may be mafia but my suspicions have somewhat abated with his last post giving thoughts on various players. I do still wonder why his posts at the start were relatively content free. Not completely convinced he is town but not too suspicious either. My initial suspicion of him protecting mafia quite obviously fell apart with yomi ending up townie. mutant - I see him as town, not afraid to give readings and accusations. His accusation of yomi seemed well reasoned so I have no reason to think mutant simply was a mafia who wanted to kill yomi. ArcticFox - Similar read to mutant but Fox has more posts and thought making him seem even less mafia like. Zealos - Really didn't post any reads or content at all except for one post accusing me. He also never responded to my response to his allegations. His play so far has seemed quite scummy due to the lack of real content. The only thing that makes me think he might not be mafia is that he did not vote for yomi. If he was mafia and did this he left a very real chance that yomi would live. I am still suspicious of him however as there is the chance both him and insect are mafia and knew that only one of them had to vote yomi to ensure a lynch while the other could vote something else to avoid suspicion. One of my higher rate suspects for mafia. ForTheDr3am - Once again the question asking, analytical type. I have no reason to suspect him thus far. imallinson - Has been a lurker and only brought up accusations that were fairly common at the time. Didn't bring that much new stuff to the table. I am suspicious of him. There are my reads form yesterday, I'll post new ideas given the further posting soon. | ||
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insectoceanx
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