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On April 11 2012 09:09 Hassybaby wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2012 08:39 Toadesstern wrote:On April 11 2012 08:24 Hassybaby wrote:
Guys it doesn't take half an hour to give a simple yes or no you're referring to On April 11 2012 07:58 Hassybaby wrote:
Would you prefer me calling your case retarded and you being an idiot? ? If that's the case I guess wbg meant something like that: A townie would have said the case is decent except for X, and explained why X is the case this time. Like someone who's lurking hardcore and isn't usually doing that. If that's a townie the guy does that for a reason if he changes his style like that, therefore he has an explanation for that change, therefore a townie would not have a problem to explain the situation. Either that, or call the case flawed because it obviously is if you are a townie and therefore it's simply not good but good EXCEPT FOR. I guess it's pretty obvious, that's why I did not answer and I think wbg's right with that observation, that specific phrase is really odd. On a personal note: You told me that I should know better than voting you, yet you call the case wbg did good. If even YOU think the case is good Hassy, how am I supposed to figure out you're a townie if you really are a townie? That's a little bit contradicting, isn't it? Right, I'm gonna try and write this as carefully as I can, because this may be the last post I get to write (if vigis follow wbg's list) A townie would in general say that. A townie would also call a fish a fish. I'll do another list because I like them 1. I played like I always do, but a bit slower because I tried to make all my posts Dickensian (like I said I would) 2. People saw that as trolling and targeted me. You mentioned it first, wbg made the first real case 3. I omgused a few guys, specifically you and wbg, while kicking myself for thinking I could Foolishness properly. 4. I try to clear the air and admit my mistake. A town would say exactly what you said, but at this point, I don't think I have the credibility of actually making a reasonable defence. So I'm taking a gambit and calling it what it is; a good case on me. It's wrong, but its good. And the personal note: you are one of the few people who remember me from when I last played Mafia, back in XLVII (which a number of guys in this game were in) before my surgery and shit. I thought you would remember that I've always been non-committal in day 1, and pointed it out.
Don't be silly hassy, they voted for you because you voted for their Godfather ST. That's why they want DT to check him. Wouldb't make any sense otherwise, everybody loves Dickensian
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I never said you're style is trollish Hassy, neither was your non-committal style the reason. WBG said that. I do remember you saying you're going to do that pregame and I thought it's a null. I voted you because you did not post at all d1 and, I called you out on that behavior, you promised to change that and a couple of hours later you still did not do a thing until I called you out again on that behavior.
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FourFace, don't ever change.
Good night guys. I hope to see you tomorrow.
Except for the scum players.
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On April 11 2012 07:31 Jackal58 wrote:
Tonight we bowl.
C ya later guys.
In a few hours, gentlemen, we will have Lakcaj joining us, drunk alter-ego to Jackal. He will lead us valiantly to the end by giving us all the mafia.
I still think we should kill Michaelthe.
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Apologies for being absent for most of the last two days, I have been quite sick. Ill catch up the thread now.
On April 11 2012 09:32 Jitsu wrote:In a few hours, gentlemen, we will have Lakcaj joining us, drunk alter-ego to Jackal. He will lead us valiantly to the end by giving us all the mafia. I still think we should kill Michaelthe.
I agree.
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I'm back home early, thank god I arrived before the deadline.
On April 11 2012 05:02 Toadesstern wrote:
Final thoughts about gonzaw's case:
You are picking several things, looking into my filter trying to find what fits. Everything you said fits into multiple games and not only the ones who quoted.
1) For instance me quoting other games, ask wbg about my thoughts on BH in storm. I quoted an older game, quoted what happened that game (the older game was L) and said something along the lines "sad it's going to happen again" talking about how town will want to lynch me after a BH lynch no matter what because I was the only one saying he's town. I was town in that game, but you of course know that.
2) You're saying I am caring more about the game and giving more reads as town. That's a blatant lie. In 48 people said they thought I was the most likely guy to be a townie. People said that because I was caring so much about the game and was dishing out reads as crazy playing very open.
3) Gigantic walls of texts. I really do those all the time, nothing more to say about that.
[u]4) You admit my style in storm is more similar to the style you think I am playing right now than the other 3 games ( L and AC and 48 ) yet you say that's a reason that makes me scummy because it's still too different from storm?
5) Discussing current event Yeah that's probably wbg's influence from cohosting his game and the one from BC after AC. WBG is the kind of guy who likes to sit back and watch. I am not, not at all. However both BC (after AC) and WBG told me I seriously need to post less about what's happening in the thread and let it develop itself while watching what's happening. Believe it or not, I think I am pretty awesome at this game but I'm not perfect and I am still changing where I think I've got flaws.
Again, everything you pointed out is a nulltell. You are tunneling me. You think I am mafia therefore you're looking into my filter looking what fits and picking everything out of different games. This game is not working that way gonzaw, not at all.
You're still going to die tomorrow. Will ignore you from now on, clearly there's noone giving a damn about what you think and obviously you're mafia or a lost case (which I highly doubt at this point in time).
I explain everything you ask and you keep on like that although everyone tells you you're wrong and it's a null, there's just no point in takling to you.
And I am not writing this because I want to explain this to you. I am writing this because you are very vocal about me and I don't want some Jackas to just do what you say and shoot me when everyone else who thinks that you're wrong aren't vocal at all about it because I'm already shitting up the thread more than enough, still don't want to die, so sorry for this last answer everyone but I really had to...
Yeah, I made number 1 in a rush and saw you made it in Storm too.
That's a reason why I said your play is more similar from Storm than in the other games (L & AC).
However, that doesn't justify you posting filler about it and not back up your post with more meaningful content.
Well, I saw your filter in 48 and you "cared", but again you did in a scummy way, by pushing people you wanted, etc.
You did care as town in your recent games, but you don't really care this game (or it doesn't seem so); and 48 is an old game.
That alone is a major red flag for me, and the fact that you care as town, at least in the last 3 games you played is even more telling.
Nah, I was thinking you were scum because of the style of your posts, then you mentioned the games you played as town and I decided to recheck them.
I already posted what I thought about them before, but I didn't put specific quotes.
I did them now in a rush so I couldn't possibly make the exact points I tried to make, but your meta from those games reinforced my idea that you were scum, I didn't just search your filters there with confirmation bias already "knowing" you were scum (and if I did I did it only to find specific quotes).
*sigh* You still say I'm "going to die tomorrow". Again this clearly shows you aren't reading the thread and not even caring about it.
I have more specific thoughts I want to share with town, but will post it right before the deadline (finally I can do that!  )
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The deadline is in 3 minutes right?
I don't to make the post and realize the deadline was 1 hour later or something >_>
At the end of Day 1 I was reading the whole thread and the deadline had already passed when I got to the last one (after Janaan was lynched)
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Well fuck it, here it goes.
Hopefully I didn't fuck up the timing >_>
On April 11 2012 05:00 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2012 03:09 Katina wrote:On April 11 2012 02:19 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hey Katina! You're way off on your read of me! Allow me to clear it up! What don't you like about my play? MidnightGladius said it best. Your votes are all over the place. Where's the focus? You have none. Voting all over the place, especially before lynch time, is a great way to get a no lynch. Not to mention a great way to make us wonder what you really think about people. You've nearly voted for more people than there are mafia. You need to be held accountable for your flubbery. What matters is where it ended up and why. Votes are going to be all over the place as new info presents itself and people are trying to get a read on others. Gladius is forgetting that what matters is where it ended up and why. Why can't you use my votes as information rather than try and use them as evidence of my guilt? Everyone has a vote and everyone is free to use it how they will. You want to call me guilty for voting for people? That's absolutely not against the law here in Liquidia - verily, it is the order of the day! If you find my reasoning suspicious that's one thing - but we share a scumread in Toadesstern, and in spite of that being a better indicator of my alignment than my voting patterns, even that isn't much of an indicator of alignment. All you have to go on is our reasoning for the things we do. I've told you that my vote helps me scumhunt. Do you not accept that as reasoning for my vote pattern?
Your case against Toad is kind of shitty here:
www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=14288693
You take only 1 post into account, and not any of his later ones, nor you take the reasoning for his voting into account either.
You ignore my case against him yet you still think he's scum. You don't comment shit about what I'm posting of him, and you don't comment anything at all about him either.
After that post of yours you NEVER mention him again, or at least you don't make any worthwhile comments about him
Let's talk about Toad's FoS of you now.
Here is the first time he even MENTIONS you, and does so in a wishy-washy manner, almost implying he thinks VE is town
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=325046¤tpage=30#581
Then the only other times he mentions you are here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=325046¤tpage=35#699
And here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=325046¤tpage=47#933
Really? He doesn't even make a case or comment on anything VE is doing. He just straight up FoSes him without any further comments or thoughts on what made him change his mind, nothing.
Also notice this:
Sup guys. lynch Hassy tomorrow, lynch VE the day after that and we win.
Something fishy is going on, let's look at it:
VE thinks Hassy and Toad are scum.
Toad thinks VE and Hassy are scum.
However, VE makes a shitty case on Toad and never really mentions anything about him anymore. Toad doesn't even try to make a case on VE, just happens to mention he's scum.
Now, both think Hassy is mafia; and they both are willing to lynch Hassy first instead of their scumread of Toad/VE
There's another more alarming thing, they don't even care or acknowledge that the other is willing to lynch Hassy and is FoSing him
VE once said "It's a bus", nothing else.
He doesn't say anything about how Toad is following the same strategy as him (barely mentioning VE is scum, but tunnel Hassy).
If both are town, one of them would surely find that suspicious, or even comment about it, or even make more comments about the other guy who is "bussing" Hassy and making a halfassed attempt to FoS him, or would comment on the "cases" I'm presenting, or at least SAY SOMETHING ELSE about said player.
VE doesn't comment on my case on Toad, and Toad doesn't comment on my thoughts (or "case" in a loose manner) of VE
It makes me think it's a poorly planned bus, and both are scum.
I think a Hassy lynch is really bad tomorrow, so please take this into account if I die.
Additional thoughts:
If sputnik is alive tomorrow, then he should definitely be a lynch candidate.
Of course it shouldn't really be an auto-lynch; he should be pushed and have votes stacked on him, and see how other people (specifically Toad, who STILL HASN'T MENTIONED ST AT ALL) react, etc. Standard townie analysis stuff.
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I am shooting michaelthe tonight. Thus, I claim town aligned vig, also known as Monarchist Defender. Though I haven't expressly stated my suspicion on michaelthe, I have had my eye on him for a while. After seeing WBG's vig list, along with a few other people's suspicion on him, I feel that there is enough weight behind shooting on him, along with the information that will come from his death.
Why I think michealthe is scum:
On April 09 2012 03:06 michaelthe wrote:
Scummiest of all so far: GMarshal. What type of goobag Eastern Orthodox bullcrap is this, starting a game on the REAL Easter date!
For serious though, this may make killing lurkers on day1 retarded. It is an actual holiday....
2cents on the bullcrap so far:
Risen/ET: Agree with the sentiment of many that this was just two monkeys needlessly flinging poo.
Tunkeg's list: By your list I am a top 9 player with 1 win as scum in a noob game. Clearly this list is 100% accurate, I'm pretty good at this game. As one of the stronger players, I feel a need on this Easter holiday to help crap players like jackal. Jakal: I will act as your guide this game, all you need to do is embrace me as your mentor, guide, guru, and sensei.
FourFace:
1. You posted you wanted to try a kidney/bladder strategy this game before the game even started.
2. You claimed town and a desire to be less active, but said you would continue to test your strategy.
3. You added to the strategy by creating an alter-ego, which serves simply to confuse the f*** outa the town.
Good news!!! I have early results!
Your strategy is crap.
##vote FourFace
His first post is quite bad for multiple reasons. He spends a bunch of time commenting on things that have happened, but talks about them very superficially, such as stating that me and Risen are monkeys (discrediting us while not commenting on alignment), giving no opinion about Tunkeg's list except for that it makes him good, and that he will be Jakal's "guide". 3/4 of his post is fluff in a very obvious way.
He only makes this post when ~half of the day is over, so he doesn't have the excuse of not having anything to comment on expressly. Thus, coming in at this point with no opinions is indicative of a player who doesn't have any legitimate opinions on stuff but wants to appear active. The vote on FourFace only comes after he has already been voted by others (an example of bandwagoning), and his only reasoning is that "FF is bad".
Continuing:
On April 09 2012 03:28 michaelthe wrote:
and ebwop:
Two Options:
1. He is scum. I havent seen any great reads so far, so I'd say chances of this are 6/30, 20%.
2. He is town testing a stupid strategy. Even if scum or town, chances of it being a stupid strategy: 100%
so we have 120% chance that this is a good lynch.
nonsensical statistics to justify vote
On April 09 2012 07:59 michaelthe wrote:
/\ /\ lawl, ninja'd the same minute by a post asking you to contribute.
Tunkeg- your list really is crap. It's not actual hard analysis, you subjectively add values as to what to value. I tried to point that out when I jokingly noted I was in the top 9 with only 1 game as a win as scum in a noob game. You SUBJECTIVELY decided to not take a lot of things into account, how to score certain things, etc.
Perhaps more importantly, if the goal is to scum hunt on day 1, your list will never actually indicate alignment, as someone on this page pointed out.
lynch target:
I honestly think that most day 1 tells are crap- maybe I should check some of the previous games similar to this and see if that holds true or not.
Are people saying they just bracket out fourface since he intentionally posts confusingly? Is this par for the course? Why wouldnt we day 1 lynch him, unless we can reasonably expect to hit a scum on day 1, which I doubt.
note here where he says "if the goal is to scum hunt on D1", indicating that he thinks scumhunting is priority. later he will talk about how lynching for information is more important (a contradiction)
On April 10 2012 07:07 michaelthe wrote:
I dont really get how Toad and Hassy can be on the same scumlist in light of Toads vote, if you are confident Hassy is scum. Ofc, if Hassy flips green, Toad is still on the list.
The question for me is which will give us more info. We had a lot more people comment on Janaan earlier, and only a few people commenting on Hassy now, a few hours before deadline. The one good thing for the Hassy vote is I think it would clear Toad if he flips scum, but again, I'm never confident of day 1 reads.
If Hassy flips green, Toad is still on the table, maybe moreso, for a day2 lynch. I think we get a bit more info out of a Janaan lynch.
Im not really convienced that a Hassy lynch would give more info, but I am willing to swap. Will check back soonish.
The whole "toad or hassy can't be both scum" is bad logic overall, and lynching for information is bad logic. looks scummy in how he keeps on voting for whatever is flavor of the month lynch target. Now seems unconcerned with actual scumhunting.
On April 10 2012 12:09 michaelthe wrote:Why do you say this? Are you really surprised he flipped green? Or do you simply think it makes you look town to post sadness that we killed a townie? + Show Spoiler +On April 09 2012 15:06 EchelonTee wrote:JanaanYeah yeah, I dismissed gonzaw earlier when he asked me, but it prompted me to re-read his filter. Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 09:51 Janaan wrote:
1.I see we started early. Excellent. This will be my first non-newbie mini game, so bear with me while I get a handle on reading and analyzing a much bigger thread with 3 times the players.
2.Only things that have really stood out to me so far: I like VE's initiative to get rid of lurking in a proactive way. My town games have pretty much been ruined by just a couple people lurking, and I imagine with more people playing, that problem could potentially be even worse.
3.Sl0osh, I know you're a pretty smart guy, I find it interesting that you didn't understand the Stealthy mechanic, at least well enough to have a basic understanding of it. The first thing that came to my mind when you asked for clarification? You could need more information because you ARE stealthy. I've got my eye on you.
4.Other than that, so far it seems to be mostly people posting fluffy first hour of Day 1 statements as people often do.
God Save the Queen! Gonzaw found the summation of 1-4 to be scummy enough for a vote. I personally thought that #3/4 were not scummy (I agreed in part with 3, and 4 is just Janaan talking), #1 was minorly scummy (talking about newbiness is a very small scumtell), and #2 was semi-scummy, because he is buddying to VE and not talking about much. However, since I only found some of this post scummy, and since it was his first post (opening posts often have setup fluff), this didn't raise the biggest red flag to me. However, I feel that his case on Jitsu is pretty insubstantial, and is a forced attempt to put something out when pressured. Janaan hasn't posted that much so it is hard to get a read on him, but he doesn't feel as genuine as I remember him in Suprisingly Normal Mini VII. In that game, he was a lot more active, but not only that, he was assertive towards people, posted reads and opinions on many things, and just sounded a lot more forthright and open. Though inactivity could be due to being busy, it stands that Janaan has not been very decisive when I know he can be. My vote remains on Tunkeg because I feel that he has been more artificial in his posting, and he has been around/active enough that if he had wanted to make substantial cases / respond to pressure on him, he easily could've. To S.T. and Janaan, respond to this and start/expand on your cases, because at the moment all you are doing is scummily lurking, and I won't stand for that. On April 10 2012 04:55 EchelonTee wrote:
##Unvote: Tunkeg
##Vote: Janaan
I could see Tunkeg's actions from a pissed off, given up townie perspective (imagine MrZentor from Sum of All Fears), but Janaan looks pretty irreconcilable. I think this is the best play at the moment. The first post is a part where you talk about a few cases. The second post, where you vote swap, you accuse him as "irreconcilable". Then, you basically defend him in your next post. + Show Spoiler +On April 10 2012 09:41 EchelonTee wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 08:53 ghost_403 wrote:@WBG: this post is why I'm happy with lynching Janaan. If you are a townie paying the least bit of attention, you should always know who you want to lynch. This is a lob, and he should have hit it out of the park. Instead, he has to sit down and figure it out. Classic scum, in my book. lmao. it's not always about WHAT you say, it's about HOW you say it. See look: Show nested quote + It is the "how" that is really important, not the "what." -Ver, in How to Improve That post by Janaan is actually one of the more genuine posts in his filter. He is just saying plainly that he doesn't know at that point; the manner in which he says it is very matter-of fact. I find other things about Janaan scummy, but being happy with lynching someone ONLY b/c they say "I don't know who I want to lynch", disregarding that they DID come back later after being pressured? Your reasoning is odd ghost. FoS Rest of your posts leading up to lynch had no content. I get why ST would be upset that he lynched a townie, he is a noob. You should know that we are likely to kill a townie. Why, then, the "sigh". Because you think it makes you look pro-town? That compiled with your weak accusations-bandwagon-weak accusations...
posts the worst case in existence on me, to try and discredit.
this is rushed b/c i want in before deadline. gonzaw is risky but not auto scum. WBG/Adam is town depending on how micheal the fliups, maybe yes or no. Ghost and Hassy are suspicious.
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8:15 PM
Things are not going well. The tone of the discussion is rising, and two men face each other, their body language suggesting a most violent confrontation is going to erupt, as they utter most ungentlemanly phrases. This is, of course, until they are interrupted by the sudden apparition of sputnik.theory from one of the side rooms. He stumbles forward out of the room, his hands firmly pressed against his chest, in a futile attempt to stem the flow of blood that is seeping out at a prodigious rate. "I've... been... shot..." he mumbles, as he topples to the ground "bloody... ninconcoops" he manages to mutter before expiring. The Automatons react naturally and simply pick up the corpse and carry it off.
The commotion is interrupted by a single sharp intake of air. Jackal58 clutches at his heart as he gasps. Without a word he crumples like a spent mannequin, the glass of burgundy he was so elegantly sipping slipping out of his hands. "Poison!" someone yells as blood trickles out the corners of Jackal58's mouth. Jackal58 gasps for air, trying to indicate something as his hand fishes around his coat pocket. Death interrupts whatever he was going to say, and the automatons carry off his corpse before anyone can see what it was he was looking for.
Meanwhile, in a quiet corner, unbeknownst to the rest of the crowd a quiet confrontation is taking place. "I saw you, you poured the poison into his cup" one man whispers to the other, "unmask yourself and prepare to be arrested, in the name of the crown!" MidnightGladius whispers furiously "I'd rather not have you executed, scum, but don't force my hand". The man lifts his mask and smiles at MidnightGladius' shocked expression, suddenly MidnightGladius notices something tightening around his neck. "Talk to my comrade" whispers the man as he slips his mask and rejoins the party. MidnightGladius' corpse is carried out by the automations a few seconds later, almost unnoticed by the crowd congregated around Jackal58.
In another room, to the left, two other men were having a quiet conversation. "You are sure?" slOosh inquires, her voice laden with worry. "My dear, there is no two ways about it, how else do you think this came to happen?" michaelthe replies, confidently. "I know for a fact he is out of the country, how the hell did he make it here? Clearly he is an impostor! Furthermore..." michaelthe stops suddenly, seeing slOosh's face grow pale. "Are you feeling fine, miss? Is this too much to bear?" but slOosh can't reply, her lungs are already full of blood. With a harking cough she splatters a surprised michaelthe, who grimaces in horror, before rising to his feet with urgency.
Well, before *trying* to rise to his feet with urgency, his motion is suddenly cut off by a loud bang and a sharp pain in his head. The last thing he hears before dying in a pool of brains and blood are rapidly fading footsteps and a muttered curse.
sputnik.theory, Baron Vladimir Harkonnen ,Monarchist Defender has been assassinated
Jackal58, Lord Marcus Aster the Fifth, Monarchist Defender has met his fate
MidnightGladius, Alexander Scott, Secretive Royal Spy has had a fatal encounter
michaelthe, Lord Keith , the Earl Marischal, an Overly Inquisitive Lord has been sent to better life
slOosh, Lady Anabel Grey, the Countess De Grey a Lady has been brutally murdered
Role PMs:
+ Show Spoiler [Baron Vladimir Harkonnen] +
Welcome to TL Mafia LI, you are Baron Vladimir Harkonnen, one of the few true Monarchist Defenders. A secret informant of yours in the royal court has notified you that this so called "party" is most likely a lethal trap to entrap you, woven by the queen herself. You'll be damned if they are going to catch you with your pants down, for that purpose you brought a single needle infused with deadly poison. If these bastards try to murder you, you'll make sure to take a price first. Now, stop this foolish anti-monarchist movement, survive the night, and return to your estate.
+ Show Spoiler [Lord Marcus Aster] +Welcome to TL Mafia LI, you are Lord Marcus Aster the fifth, of the noble line of Aster. Despite your youth you are a devoted Monarchist Defender, and as such you came to this party prepared with the revered symbol of your house, a throwing knife. While you may not be the sharpest knife in the box (as your mother often bitterly comments), this is your chance to live up to your defunct father's legacy. Don't let it slip away, because even if you die, glory is forever. Now, quash the Anti-Monarchist rabble, and earn the titles you so richly deserve.
+ Show Spoiler [Alexander Scott] +Welcome to TL Mafia LI, you are Alexander Scott, Royal Spy, commissioned by the Queen herself. Your cover identity is that of Lord Edmund Burke, a bumbling mess of a man, who happens to be out of the country in this fateful night. It pains you to realize that if you were to fail tonight he might find himself in the chain of succession. Either way, you are here to investigate and shut down this plot before it can grow into a full scale coup. Remember, trust no one but yourself, and always keep your back to the wall. You will not fail this time, no one else will threaten the Queen again, as long as you live, at least.
+ Show Spoiler [ Lord Keith, Earl Marischal] +Welcome to TL Mafia LI, you are Lord Keith , the Earl Marischal. Your family has held this title for generations and you may be the last of the lineage to hold it, as you are currently heirless and in a precarious situation. Still you will bear the title with pride, even if this may be its last battle. You will not go down quietly, not tonight. Fight to honor your title and your flag. Fight to protect you wife. Most importantly, fight because that is what the Earl Marischal must do.
+ Show Spoiler [ Lady Anabel Grey] +Welcome to TL Mafia LI, you are Lady Anabel Grey, the Countess De Grey, probably the youngest person at this party at 16. You are wise for your age, perhaps due to the fact that your are slowly dying to an incurable disease which is so rare it doesn't even have a name. Tonight however you will demonstrate that despite your youth you deserve the title you carry. Now, make a difference, save the Queen and the country and make your family proud. Make a legacy.
Day 2! You have 48 hours to lynch someone. Majority is now 13 people.
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michaelthe, you seem to have ignored the case Mementoss put forward on you. Its here in case you want to give that a go, link.
Without repeating too much from that case, your reason for jumping onto Janaan the first time was "Tunkeg isnt a good lynch" and "Jitsu's case is good". You never actually point to anything in Janaans filter that is scummy or suspicious, instead you are content to just lynch him with the justification of: for information.
Since that case was made, you've made two posts that I see a problem with:
On April 10 2012 09:43 michaelthe wrote:
Hassy and Risen are both defending Hassy too much for them both to be scum. Maybe Risen is just actually convinced Hassy inst scum.
On the other hand, their defense, esp. from Hassy, relies on the premise that they've identified 3/6 scum, which is so unlikely on day 1.
Although, now we have Janaan's post just now. He identified: Jakal, Artanis, Hussy, and myself as "scummy". Grats gai! you got 4/6 of us on day 1! /sarcasm
I duno, I just can't really imagine Risen and Hassy buddying up so close if Hassy were scum.
Then again, Im not really convinced Janaan is actually scum. I guess if Im not convienced that either is scum, Id rather have around Hassy than Janaan tomorrow.
##Unvote: Hassybaby
##Vote: Janaan
We'd better not end today with a friggen no lynch though.
Saying that Hassy and Risen are defending Hassy too much for them both to be scum is just WIFOM. You expect Hassy to defend himself less if he is scum? that doesn't even make sense.
Your reason for jumping onto Janaan again is that "Id rather have Hassy around then Janaan" and "I don't want a no lynch". That is pretty weak reasoning to lynch someone, who by your own admission you weren't even convinced was scum. Neither time that you voted Janaan did you comment on anything in his filter, just that other lynches weren't as good, so you were happy to lynch him.
On April 10 2012 12:09 michaelthe wrote:Why do you say this? Are you really surprised he flipped green? Or do you simply think it makes you look town to post sadness that we killed a townie? + Show Spoiler +On April 09 2012 15:06 EchelonTee wrote:JanaanYeah yeah, I dismissed gonzaw earlier when he asked me, but it prompted me to re-read his filter. Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 09:51 Janaan wrote:
1.I see we started early. Excellent. This will be my first non-newbie mini game, so bear with me while I get a handle on reading and analyzing a much bigger thread with 3 times the players.
2.Only things that have really stood out to me so far: I like VE's initiative to get rid of lurking in a proactive way. My town games have pretty much been ruined by just a couple people lurking, and I imagine with more people playing, that problem could potentially be even worse.
3.Sl0osh, I know you're a pretty smart guy, I find it interesting that you didn't understand the Stealthy mechanic, at least well enough to have a basic understanding of it. The first thing that came to my mind when you asked for clarification? You could need more information because you ARE stealthy. I've got my eye on you.
4.Other than that, so far it seems to be mostly people posting fluffy first hour of Day 1 statements as people often do.
God Save the Queen! Gonzaw found the summation of 1-4 to be scummy enough for a vote. I personally thought that #3/4 were not scummy (I agreed in part with 3, and 4 is just Janaan talking), #1 was minorly scummy (talking about newbiness is a very small scumtell), and #2 was semi-scummy, because he is buddying to VE and not talking about much. However, since I only found some of this post scummy, and since it was his first post (opening posts often have setup fluff), this didn't raise the biggest red flag to me. However, I feel that his case on Jitsu is pretty insubstantial, and is a forced attempt to put something out when pressured. Janaan hasn't posted that much so it is hard to get a read on him, but he doesn't feel as genuine as I remember him in Suprisingly Normal Mini VII. In that game, he was a lot more active, but not only that, he was assertive towards people, posted reads and opinions on many things, and just sounded a lot more forthright and open. Though inactivity could be due to being busy, it stands that Janaan has not been very decisive when I know he can be. My vote remains on Tunkeg because I feel that he has been more artificial in his posting, and he has been around/active enough that if he had wanted to make substantial cases / respond to pressure on him, he easily could've. To S.T. and Janaan, respond to this and start/expand on your cases, because at the moment all you are doing is scummily lurking, and I won't stand for that. On April 10 2012 04:55 EchelonTee wrote:
##Unvote: Tunkeg
##Vote: Janaan
I could see Tunkeg's actions from a pissed off, given up townie perspective (imagine MrZentor from Sum of All Fears), but Janaan looks pretty irreconcilable. I think this is the best play at the moment. The first post is a part where you talk about a few cases. The second post, where you vote swap, you accuse him as "irreconcilable". Then, you basically defend him in your next post. + Show Spoiler +On April 10 2012 09:41 EchelonTee wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 08:53 ghost_403 wrote:@WBG: this post is why I'm happy with lynching Janaan. If you are a townie paying the least bit of attention, you should always know who you want to lynch. This is a lob, and he should have hit it out of the park. Instead, he has to sit down and figure it out. Classic scum, in my book. lmao. it's not always about WHAT you say, it's about HOW you say it. See look: Show nested quote + It is the "how" that is really important, not the "what." -Ver, in How to Improve That post by Janaan is actually one of the more genuine posts in his filter. He is just saying plainly that he doesn't know at that point; the manner in which he says it is very matter-of fact. I find other things about Janaan scummy, but being happy with lynching someone ONLY b/c they say "I don't know who I want to lynch", disregarding that they DID come back later after being pressured? Your reasoning is odd ghost. FoS Rest of your posts leading up to lynch had no content. I get why ST would be upset that he lynched a townie, he is a noob. You should know that we are likely to kill a townie. Why, then, the "sigh". Because you think it makes you look pro-town? That compiled with your weak accusations-bandwagon-weak accusations...
Why do you trail off at the end instead of saying what you should be saying? If you think ET is scum, why are you being timid and coy about it? Building an entire case around him saying 'sigh' after a mislynch is ridiculous. A weak accusation, followed by no conclusion. Add in his day one performance of band wagoning onto Janaan and not wanting to scum hunt at all. Scum.
GM: Mementoss and ghosts' filter are linked to each other in the filter list on page one
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Well, I fucked up. =/ Who fired the 2nd additional KP?
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Fuck I'm dead.
Fucking bastards.
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Wtf? I guess ST was vigged then.
Okay, wbg wasn't killed, I didn't really mention him last night because I didn't want to influence scums kills if he were to be town, but what I said about not liking his play here is true, and I may even think he's scum along VE and Toad, will refill my notes with the info now though
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I don't think that could have possibly gone worse.
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Dammit. Should've held my shot. I was between S.T. and michealthe and they were both incorrect. meh. Jackal you're dead FYI.
Now I have to re-read VE/WBG/Adam. If you guys are scum playing me like a fiddle, I'm going to be really sad.
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ET please comment on what I posted earlier about Toad, VE and wbg
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On April 11 2012 11:04 Jackal58 wrote:
You dead bro!
~GM
Sorry about that. You posted when I did.
Glhf.
Assholes.
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