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T_T_T_T nononononononoo Building gate earlier on money map is bad bad bad and should never ever ever happen. I was saying people who do the cancelling probe strategy of 9/10 on it.. (it's rare but i've seen it done by very good players) were completely amiss that this was terrible on it. The minute you start cancelling probes on BGH vs a top bgher, you've lost.
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On May 28 2006 07:55 Mr.Testie wrote: T_T_T_T nononononononoo Building gate earlier on money map is bad bad bad and should never ever ever happen. I was saying people who do the cancelling probe strategy of 9/10 on it.. (it's rare but i've seen it done by very good players) were completely amiss that this was terrible on it. The minute you start cancelling probes on BGH vs a top bgher, you've lost. Haha, my bad testie. I read too much into your post. : )
P.S. Could you post some BGH replays (of you), you know, so I can learn more.
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whenever I bgh I build a wall with 2 nexuses and pump probes
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On May 28 2006 08:08 racebannon wrote: whenever I bgh I build a wall with 2 nexuses and pump probes I've thought about this before... maybe I should try it. Hell, anything will work against pubbies, might as well be creative.
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since many bgh'ers discoverd brood war kor-asia where players like nada, reach are playing too, the micro skill increased tremendously. and vs a decent bgh player ur '' whenever i bgh i build a wall with 2 nexuses and pump probes '' strat would develop itself to a 3 min win ( not for u ).
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well obviously those BGH'ers who practiced exclusively with both reach and nada in ASIAN BROOD WAR CHANNELS would beat me I mean come on now.
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So, I watched the reps of those hDn players, and I was confused.
Everyone was talking about how the build orders were dramatically different from anything low-money maps had ever seen on high level BGH games. But they look pretty much exactly the same as the build orders for The Hunters (bgh's low money counterpart), with a few more gates in the mid game.
It's still protoss-based, still zealot micro in the middle based at the beginning, and still shifts towards 3+ gate macro in the mid game, with 1 person per team teching, and often 1 player getting dt in the mid-late game.
I didn't really see anything new in the 5 reps I watched (hDn v oib x3, hDn v nasa x2).
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On May 27 2006 16:18 SunAndMooN wrote:It is funny how it came to this tho... knowing that this discussion started with "any decent lowmoneymap player could beat any BGH-gamer"... and now suddenly it is talk about the honor of communities. And it is NOT ordinary lowmoneymap-gamers that are gonna show off their skills... nope... bringing in Testie to prove their point. The thing is.. IF Testie play... u still havent proved a thing. Becos Testie is NOT just a decent ordinary gamer... he is a very good gamer that has nothing to do with what this was all about. The discussion did NOT start with "some very good gamers could for sure beat BGH-gamers on BGH". But whatever makes u happy... Just make it good games and give the rest of us "noobs" reps to enjoy
They will not be playing versus any BGHer, they will be playing aginst the best of them, so what are you talking about? If we talk about random BGHers, then you could just as well use for proof my 8 wins in a row 1v3, with the absolutely the same tactic - block entrance with gate/forge and some cannons, reaver drop, mass carriers, althought in most cases 2 of 3 lost all their workers, before realising what happened. They were able to beat me only in the 9th game, because I agreed to play 1v4.
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On May 28 2006 09:25 Xeroth wrote: So, I watched the reps of those hDn players, and I was confused.
Everyone was talking about how the build orders were dramatically different from anything low-money maps had ever seen on high level BGH games. But they look pretty much exactly the same as the build orders for The Hunters (bgh's low money counterpart), with a few more gates in the mid game.
It's still protoss-based, still zealot micro in the middle based at the beginning, and still shifts towards 3+ gate macro in the mid game, with 1 person per team teching, and often 1 player getting dt in the mid-late game.
I didn't really see anything new in the 5 reps I watched (hDn v oib x3, hDn v nasa x2).
yeah I just watched a couple. These "pro BGH" games have a fraction of the strategical depth of regular BW.
if everyone playing the same race and using the same build is entertaining to you, have fun with that. It looks pretty fucking retarded to me though.
To each their own, but I choose variety over the exact same game in and out. But if pressing Z on your gateways is fun to you roll with it
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Braavos36362 Posts
On May 28 2006 09:38 lololol wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2006 16:18 SunAndMooN wrote:It is funny how it came to this tho... knowing that this discussion started with "any decent lowmoneymap player could beat any BGH-gamer"... and now suddenly it is talk about the honor of communities. And it is NOT ordinary lowmoneymap-gamers that are gonna show off their skills... nope... bringing in Testie to prove their point. The thing is.. IF Testie play... u still havent proved a thing. Becos Testie is NOT just a decent ordinary gamer... he is a very good gamer that has nothing to do with what this was all about. The discussion did NOT start with "some very good gamers could for sure beat BGH-gamers on BGH". But whatever makes u happy... Just make it good games and give the rest of us "noobs" reps to enjoy one time i beat comps 1v7 using ONLY probes omafgad;gja They will not be playing versus any BGHer, they will be playing aginst the best of them, so what are you talking about? If we talk about random BGHers, then you could just as well use for proof my 8 wins in a row 1v3, with the absolutely the same tactic - block entrance with gate/forge and some cannons, reaver drop, mass carriers, althought in most cases 2 of 3 lost all their workers, before realising what happened. They were able to beat me only in the 9th game, because I agreed to play 1v4.
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just be protoss and mass statsis + dweb + storm ftw
hell, you'll even make pimpest play 2006 that way
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it is said that testie counts to the best low players in europe (us/can included).. so it will be 'best' low vs 'best' bgh'ers
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Russian Federation1401 Posts
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On May 28 2006 09:58 no.1 wrote: it is said that testie counts to the best low players in europe (us/can included).. so it will be 'best' low vs 'best' bgh'ers When you say "low" you mean his macro/micro/tactics aren't on par with top players, or what? Labeling testie as a "low" player says almost nothing. You have to be more specific and clear.
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On May 28 2006 10:46 gokai wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2006 09:58 no.1 wrote: it is said that testie counts to the best low players in europe (us/can included).. so it will be 'best' low vs 'best' bgh'ers When you say "low" you mean his macro/micro/tactics aren't on par with top players, or what? Labeling testie as a "low" player says almost nothing. You have to be more specific and clear.
low money.
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Isn't this showmatch taking place today? Can someone link me?
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On May 28 2006 10:55 ml1710 wrote: low money. K, thanks for clearing it up.
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So the teams for this showmatch are templargoon + S.o)Drex + Testie vs hDn. ?
I predict hDn wins 3-0 because I don't think templargoon or S.o)Drex has any clue how to play team BGH.
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Eh? I am not playin with those newblettes. I meant in 1v1. ;o
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No good bgh player plays 1on1 bgh. Thats left to people like me that love canons and carrier.
This 1on1 bgh fixed map is normaly used to train 3on3, with a lot of regulations like no dark templer and canons simple makro/mikro training.
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