EPTOne of my friend who is quite best than me ( b- pgtour) lost 2-0 on bgh..
Try em u will be surprised ( anyway I think some mapahck)
The BGH players , surprising
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strik.fr
France212 Posts
One of my friend who is quite best than me ( b- pgtour) lost 2-0 on bgh.. Try em u will be surprised ( anyway I think some mapahck) | ||
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YoUr_KiLLeR
United States3420 Posts
yes some of them probably maphack, though no less than pub LT players i dont think. im sure you're ashamed of losing a game on luna, but i'm sure hes just as ashamed of losing a game on bgh to you. | ||
ToKoreaWithLove
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Jin
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[angst]chraej
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Cloud
Sexico5880 Posts
You just got owned by the same guys who you considered "newbs" And if what you say is true, you also got owned on a non money map which they most likely didnt know or didnt play often. | ||
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AK-Nemesis
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ZaplinG
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alphablend
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On May 26 2006 22:51 ZaplinG wrote: its the same as blood bath players I disagree with that. BGH is more about macro, BB is more about micro. I will agree that both groups are highly specialized and will probably rape LT players on their map. | ||
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ZaplinG
United States3818 Posts
On May 26 2006 22:57 alphablend wrote: I disagree with that. BGH is more about macro, BB is more about micro. orly? | ||
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Elvin_vn
Vietnam2038 Posts
1 you lost to non-money mappers 2 you lost to money mappers | ||
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YoUr_KiLLeR
United States3420 Posts
On May 26 2006 22:44 AK-Nemesis wrote: bgh is a good practice for macro and micro that's all. less use of terrain and more limits on strategies to employ, but nothing like what [angst]chraej said. good post. bgh might have some limited options compared to other maps (luna is a lot like this too for you elitists), but its like learning any other map. good players will be good on bgh just like good players will be good on any other map, and bad players will be bad regardless of the map. | ||
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SnoopySnacks
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Gandalf
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Gandalf
Pakistan1905 Posts
And yes, the guy fayth lost to on Luna is k00lam. The guy he lost to on bgh is one of koolams teammates. | ||
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Gandalf
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AK-Nemesis
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YoUr_KiLLeR
United States3420 Posts
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oHInsane
France727 Posts
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MTF
United States1739 Posts
On May 27 2006 00:44 YoUr_KiLLeR wrote: whats up with fayth and this k00lam guy. can anyone link me to the thread this came up in? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=40135 | ||
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YoUr_KiLLeR
United States3420 Posts
[3:02:02 AM] [Fayth] Fauna quit crying OH THE IRONY. | ||
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iNsaNe-
Finland5201 Posts
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roadrunner_sc
United States1220 Posts
I think it's the 1on1s that has the most problem. The ridiculously small chokes, the turtling that usually results. Worst of all, the MU's are ridiculously imbalanced. There's really no impact on economy whether you chose to expand or not, giving zerg players a huge advantage as it is. In terms of limitations, a typical TvT match on a BGH revolves essentially around 2 strategies. Either an early tank push, which, if failed, leads to a epic-mass-air-turtling-marcro-match garanteed to last anywhere from half an hour to several days. The entire concept of clever dropship usage is literally obsolete( Albait an occasional siege drop on behind the main, depending on your map). There's simply not enough room for efficient ground troop manuevering. All in all it's just a horrible concept for a map, good for newbies getting their hands warm, and garanteed to keep them at that level if they never move on. I feel sorry for those self proclaimed "gosus" on BGH. It's kinda like going into middle school and staying there for the rest of your life...Yea you'll be REALLY good at the same low level material....but who cares? | ||
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KrAzYfoOL
Australia3037 Posts
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YoUr_KiLLeR
United States3420 Posts
On May 27 2006 03:13 roadrunner_sc wrote:There's really no impact on economy whether you chose to expand or not, giving zerg players a huge advantage as it is. yes there is. you get more geysers. | ||
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roadrunner_sc
United States1220 Posts
Right. It reduces, not take away, need for expansion. Depends on which BGH map also. I've usually seen anywhere from 2-4 on main. Usually 2 I guess. Good thing too. I can't imagine a z with enough gas late game to pump out 20 hatchery worth of ultras....every 50 seconds. | ||
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geod
Vietnam450 Posts
On May 27 2006 03:29 KrAzYfoOL wrote: I think it depends what type of game you're playing on normal maps vs these BGH players, if you were to play a straight up macro game it would be much easier for them, but if you were to try something different and very strategical, i doubt they'd be able to react to it properly.. LOL Fayth got his ass raped in every game early 5,7 minutes. There is nothing of macro here dude. | ||
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YoUr_KiLLeR
United States3420 Posts
On May 27 2006 03:54 roadrunner_sc wrote: Right. It reduces, not take away, need for expansion. Depends on which BGH map also. I've usually seen anywhere from 2-4 on main. Usually 2 I guess. Good thing too. I can't imagine a z with enough gas late game to pump out 20 hatchery worth of ultras....every 50 seconds. i meant you get more geysers from expanding so it does have an effect on your economy. lol? | ||
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YoUr_KiLLeR
United States3420 Posts
On May 27 2006 02:29 iNsaNe- wrote: http://www.freewebs.com/o0oo/fayth.jpg AHAHAHAHAHA | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
Fastest map = newbie shit. Whenever I play fastest (which is not often), I just storm drop their minerals. 1 storm = GG all resources. Fastest is a mindless, basic map which utilizes macro skills, no micro skills, and minimal strategy. BGH can actually be palyed at a decent level. I don't think most BGH players are decent, and I have little respect for the overall group of them, but they can actually be decent. Oh, and yes, hacks are more prevelant among money mappers. It's a sad reality. Ironically, hacks are also more prevalent in UMS than x17. Would you believe I got drop hacked for winning a UMS game? Seriously, what is the point? IT DOESN'T EVEN SHOW UP IN YOUR STATS. It just goes to show, you can't fix stupid. | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
Yet, that's not to say that going from LT to BGH is a perfectly smooth transition. You have to relearn build orders and timing completely, and you have to unlearn many strategies that would be effective on limited resource maps (which is not so hard, but does take a bit of practice and fooling around). | ||
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Arcanis
Croatia117 Posts
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roadrunner_sc
United States1220 Posts
On May 27 2006 04:08 YoUr_KiLLeR wrote: i meant you get more geysers from expanding so it does have an effect on your economy. lol? That IS what I meant killer. The limitless mineral and gas count reduces your need to expand for both resources into a need to expand only for vespene and strategic reasons. So it's not completely unnecessary to expand but it certainly isn't nearly as important. I illustrated this fact to support that MUs are not balanced for a zerg. By late game he can own up to 20-40 hatcheries, about 10 or so in one place and rest all over the map. It's nearly impossible to kill a zerg ( assuming he doesn't completely suck) at this point since he can instantly counter any kind of forces you send. | ||
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no.1
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Sun
United States551 Posts
 BGH is totally different from low money maps agreed, but anyone who says BGH takes more skill than low money maps is a nut. | ||
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aseq
Netherlands3977 Posts
On May 27 2006 04:30 Arcanis wrote: I think the original BGH was a standard low money map, but then the players made it the way it is now. A low money BGH on 3v3 is quite funny... especially on LAN ^^ First, Blizzard made the Starcraft map The Hunters, which is a standard map (1500 mins, 1 geyser) Players chose this map for it's simpleness and started adding resources. When BW was released, it included a map Big Game Hunters (which Blizzard made, by popular demand) which has 20k mins and 2 20k geysers). I don't know what the evolution of bgh has been like after that, the only bgh i play is versus one flatmate who can't play but likes to bgh vs me^^. | ||
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HeadBangaa
United States6512 Posts
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no.1
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Purind
Canada3562 Posts
On May 27 2006 03:13 roadrunner_sc wrote: There's really no impact on economy whether you chose to expand or not, giving zerg players a huge advantage as it is. This was the point that was being debated, and now you are changing your words completely in order to agree with the other side | ||
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[angst]chraej
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On May 26 2006 22:44 AK-Nemesis wrote: bgh is a good practice for macro and micro that's all. less use of terrain and more limits on strategies to employ, but nothing like what [angst]chraej said. nah, your wrong. *caugh i see a closet bgh player* (if you randomly join bnet and play a bgh map in this day and age you will be faced with no micro from you opponent, this is just a fact im sorry.) | ||
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SolaR-
United States2685 Posts
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Jin
Canada439 Posts
The BGH games, well, it didn't really look like Fayth knew what he was doing. | ||
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Mr.Testie
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All games have skill. A lot of non-money map players SUCK COMPLETELY on BGH. Lots of good ones you wouldn't expect to suck. And I mean, really good players you wouldn't expect. You think common sense would kick in and they'd just play good on it. But nope, they blow hard and use their pre-designed builds and expect it to work on BGH. ;P | ||
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Jin
Canada439 Posts
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Hypnotize
United States183 Posts
starcraft is one of the hardest games to become good at, requiring at least 1-2 years to get at least a little bit good. All maps require skill at some level. VGT (the bullshit fastest gaming tour) has quite a few good non-money players. sure its really gay and shouldnt exist, but those people will own everyone on their kind of map, while we can own them on our kind of map. its just that the highest level of play in non-money maps is MUCH higher than the high level of play in money maps. | ||
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ToKoreaWithLove
Norway10161 Posts
On May 27 2006 05:49 aseq wrote: First, Blizzard made the Starcraft map The Hunters, which is a standard map (1500 mins, 1 geyser) Players chose this map for it's simpleness and started adding resources. When BW was released, it included a map Big Game Hunters (which Blizzard made, by popular demand) which has 20k mins and 2 20k geysers). I don't know what the evolution of bgh has been like after that, the only bgh i play is versus one flatmate who can't play but likes to bgh vs me^^. actually BGH was released as a part of their web maps feature where they released a new map every week or so. Blizzard also released Biggest Game Hunters, a joke on their own map. | ||
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DarK]N[exuS
China1441 Posts
Edit: Before the idiots tell me it's not like hunters game because of the infinite minerals, yes I know. What I mean is that the early game is quite similar and it's not just "make 500 cannons and make carriers." You will also never have the chance to have "30-40" hatcheries as someone said. Versus any competent gamers that simply will not work. The majority of BGH players are not very good, but the private-inhousing-for-every-game crowd is very high level ON BGH. | ||
Bill307
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Mr.Testie
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Let me play those bastards. | ||
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Bill307
Canada9103 Posts
You also need to know when to take your 2nd gas. Again I play it by ear, but this is another opportunity for a practiced BGH player to out-time their opponent. Unfortunately the terrain of map doesn't provide very many strategical options. But the large possible combination of positions means every game is going to require a slightly different strategy. | ||
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polarwolf
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Let me play those bastards. LOL, there we have the next arrogant canadian... | ||
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Maenander
Germany4926 Posts
 Crush them pls ! | ||
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CoralReefer
Canada2069 Posts
On May 27 2006 03:54 roadrunner_sc wrote: Right. It reduces, not take away, need for expansion. Depends on which BGH map also. I've usually seen anywhere from 2-4 on main. Usually 2 I guess. Good thing too. I can't imagine a z with enough gas late game to pump out 20 hatchery worth of ultras....every 50 seconds. you have no idea what you're talking about. expansions are very important in BGH assuming the bgh main base is worth approximately two regular bases, even getting the natural expansion makes quite a large difference. and if you expand to one of the main bases, whoa, that's a huge difference. | ||
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Pistasj
Norway272 Posts
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Cloud
Sexico5880 Posts
He may as well have played more bgh games than those guys so whats the point? The thing is, a player that plays only on non money maps, playing someone who plays only on money maps, not some guy who has played bw since it came out and has obviously played bgh for some time against some guy who has only played money maps for some time. | ||
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Mr.Testie
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A guy who has played BW for many years, and is great on non-money maps has no excuse to be bad at money maps. Ie: Say Ogogo never played a money map. Yet with his skill and understanding, despite being an all zerg player.. he plays a mean protoss, and a mean terran. If he were to play a money map, he would immediately adapt. Knowing inherently the importance of all the minor details of the map that make you good at it. I have played a lot of players on money maps, and they are still doing 1v1 builds that are completely not capable of putting up with a BGH 1v1. And you'd think that they wouldn't be so stupid as to 9/10 gate on BGH, despite there being 8 spots to scout.. and they have to get lucky and all that jazz.. but no, they do. You should look at the map, and realize what is best suited for it and what type of play will give you optimal chances at winning. Not forcing your lame-ass pre-practiced builds from other maps to work on a map that really isn't suited for it. This post could teach people a lot about bw, even though it's condescending and derogatory. Take it for what it's worth. | ||
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tKd_
United States2916 Posts
On May 26 2006 22:19 ToKoreaWithLove wrote: then again luna is just about as mindless as bgh. 100% agree. | ||
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Patriot.dlk
Sweden5462 Posts
I just enjoy 1v1lt the most so that's what I play | ||
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YoUr_KiLLeR
United States3420 Posts
On May 27 2006 07:06 [angst]chraej wrote: nah, your wrong. *caugh i see a closet bgh player* (if you randomly join bnet and play a bgh map in this day and age you will be faced with no micro from you opponent, this is just a fact im sorry.) you can join any pub LT games you will be faced with no micro, no build order, no sense of timing and no macro from most players as well. whats the constant here? the fact that you're playing bnet pubs. the map isn't important. | ||
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YoUr_KiLLeR
United States3420 Posts
On May 27 2006 04:52 roadrunner_sc wrote: That IS what I meant killer. The limitless mineral and gas count reduces your need to expand for both resources into a need to expand only for vespene and strategic reasons. So it's not completely unnecessary to expand but it certainly isn't nearly as important. I illustrated this fact to support that MUs are not balanced for a zerg. By late game he can own up to 20-40 hatcheries, about 10 or so in one place and rest all over the map. It's nearly impossible to kill a zerg ( assuming he doesn't completely suck) at this point since he can instantly counter any kind of forces you send. you're stupid. you've changed your argument several times by now. yes im sure its hard to stop a zerg with 20 gas on bgh, but if you let the zerg get 20 gas then you suck and deserve to lose anyway. im sure on LT its hard to stop the zerg if he gets 8 geysers, but the point is you shouldn't be letting him get all of that gas. edit: misread something. | ||
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greatmeh
Canada1964 Posts
also maybe u lost cause u played vs a hacker, i know that more ppl hack in BGH because they dont care much for the game, also on maps like BGH, map hack and multi select hack can have a huge effect, espicially if more than one players hacks, I doubt that a pure BGH player would be able to beat C+ without hacks, seriously. | ||
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YoUr_KiLLeR
United States3420 Posts
and a guy who cares more about the game has more of an incentive to hack cuz he wants to do well. | ||
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greatmeh
Canada1964 Posts
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YoUr_KiLLeR
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no.1
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greatmeh
Canada1964 Posts
I know fucking ppl abuse hacks regardless, on bgh theres more abuse tho, and a PURE bgh player is gonna be weaker on non money anyway | ||
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YoUr_KiLLeR
United States3420 Posts
yes fayth is a moron and everything, but he was also an A+ player, so it says something regardless of whether you like him or not. | ||
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YoUr_KiLLeR
United States3420 Posts
On May 27 2006 13:03 greatmeh wrote:I know fucking ppl abuse hacks regardless, on bgh theres more abuse tho, and a PURE bgh player is gonna be weaker on non money anyway a pure non-money player is going to be weaker on bgh as well. whats your point? | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28665 Posts
On May 26 2006 22:19 ToKoreaWithLove wrote: then again luna is just about as mindless as bgh. yep | ||
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Jin
Canada439 Posts
he also 3-0 ed some other bgh player on luna | ||
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Mr.Testie
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
Why can't they all be wise like us T.T | ||
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Mr.Testie
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Drowsy
United States4876 Posts
Fastest map ever= fucking retards. | ||
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O.Oa
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Mr.Testie
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Sm!te
United States89 Posts
TemplarGoon - me S.O)DrEx Fayth - if he tells me he is still in Warlinker - a friend of mine, and only if he gets over his WoW adiction and you, testie, if you would like to play on our team. we seem to be short a member ><. i will not deny that the BGH team hDn is not noob. However, it is my belief that they lack an element of the game which you cannot get from BGH. I watched a few of the replays of hDn and they do the same exact thing every game. It should be easy enough to counter their build, I'm amazed no one else has yet. The guy who beat fayth was named fauna. This "fauna" is not in tomorrows line up. | ||
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Mr.Testie
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no.1
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ZaplinG
United States3818 Posts
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Sm!te
United States89 Posts
that link is to some BGH reps. dl only the ones with hDn in them, the others are not as good. On May 27 2006 14:13 Mr.Testie wrote: Neat. is that a yes? | ||
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Jin
Canada439 Posts
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Jin
Canada439 Posts
On May 27 2006 14:14 no.1 wrote: fayth didnt replay him and didnt win vs him again Magitek-X17 Fri May 26 2006, 12:37PM On a side note, i replayed Fauna and win 3-1 PvP fixed position on BGH. | ||
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Xeroth
United States432 Posts
yarly | ||
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Sm!te
United States89 Posts
On May 27 2006 15:00 Jin wrote: The bgh community is dieing to see Testie lose. I don't think many of them really care about hDn destroying some no name players on BGH. I'd rather see some games where Testie plays with a team (of players that actualyl know how to play bgh) or plays koolam or some other well known bgh player 1v1. yes they are dieing to see Testie lose, but we both know that will not happen | ||
Klogon
MURICA15980 Posts
I still find it funny how Fayth handled his losses. | ||
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O.Oa
Germany32 Posts
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Sm!te
United States89 Posts
On May 27 2006 15:28 O.Oa wrote: I see it coming. Testie after the games "My allys sucked so bad" "blah blah" we not going to lose -.- | ||
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CoralReefer
Canada2069 Posts
On May 27 2006 15:08 Sm!te wrote: yes they are dieing to see Testie lose, but we both know that will not happen i doubt the bgh is dying to see him lose.. they probably dont' even know who testie is. i doubt testie would lose like fayth, fayth is a lil bit inconsistent | ||
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Sm!te
United States89 Posts
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roadrunner_sc
United States1220 Posts
My only point is that BGH is inferior to non-money matches because it's limited in its scope. Do BGH players has less skills than nonmoney players? No, of course not. Can BGH players own nonmoney players? Of course they can. But is BGH everything you can get out of starcraft or BW? Hell no. Not nearly close to nonmoney maps. Dark{[N]exus I was only addressing the the issues on bgh in a 1 on1, which I think has most problems. I never played more than a couple of team melee matches on it and wouldn't be qualified to comment on 2:2 or 3:3 balance anyways. | ||
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Sm!te
United States89 Posts
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SunAndMooN
Norway10 Posts
Just make it good games and give the rest of us "noobs" reps to enjoy | ||
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Akirus
United States124 Posts
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Mr.Testie
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Medium skilled non-money map players are the same players are medium skilled BGH players. They just specialize in different areas. BGH takes skill. There are yes, some aspects that take away from strategies / skill. (Though some of them can still exist). However, some new aspects are added. | ||
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RiSE
United States3182 Posts
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Sm!te
United States89 Posts
On May 27 2006 14:27 Sm!te wrote: http://bgh.ausbc.net/download.php?list.24 that link is to some BGH reps. dl only the ones with hDn in them, the others are not as good. is that a yes? | ||
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strik.fr
France212 Posts
On May 27 2006 06:15 HeadBangaa wrote: THIS IS A STOOPID DEBATE. Generalize: all games require SOME skill. You can't say it requires NO skill. And unless you are top-tier in the games for which you speak, you are NOT QUALIFIED to comment on the subject of skill requisites! It is not. Honestly who would have bet that bgh players had a serious communauty and real skills before fayth defeats? No one or very few. I'm sure that 99 % here thought like me that bgh were all stupid 12 y old noobs..;For me that was maybe the biggest surprise since i started to play bw ! | ||
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Haemonculus
United States6980 Posts
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Zymurgy
United States370 Posts
On May 27 2006 17:39 strik.fr wrote: It is not. Honestly who would have bet that bgh players had a serious communauty and real skills before fayth defeats? No one or very few. I'm sure that 99 % here thought like me that bgh were all stupid 12 y old noobs..;For me that was maybe the biggest surprise since i started to play bw ! No I just think you were really naive to assume that | ||
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SoDrunk
United Kingdom291 Posts
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no.1
516 Posts
On May 27 2006 15:02 Jin wrote: Magitek-X17 Fri May 26 2006, 12:37PM On a side note, i replayed Fauna and win 3-1 PvP fixed position on BGH. fauna is not the same level as kural | ||
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Sr18
Netherlands1141 Posts
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SF-Fork
Russian Federation1401 Posts
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geod
Vietnam450 Posts
On May 28 2006 04:07 Sr18 wrote: They will hack regardless. You will hack too | ||
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DarK]N[exuS
China1441 Posts
Also TemplarGoon, I doubt you'll win. Seriously doubt it. And your arrogant attitude is pretty amusing. | ||
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SF-Fork
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O.Oa
Germany32 Posts
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SF-Fork
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SoDrunk
United Kingdom291 Posts
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O.Oa
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cuteFayth
Canada1167 Posts
On May 27 2006 13:03 greatmeh wrote: ok so u argue that fayth lost? havent u recognised that hes a moron, and overates himself and underates other people? I know fucking ppl abuse hacks regardless, on bgh theres more abuse tho, and a PURE bgh player is gonna be weaker on non money anyway wether u like me or not doesn't change the fact that i'm a good player, but none of the 2 players i played were PURE bgh players, Fauna who i have beaten in the rematch 3-1 told me he played about 5 000 games on "low money maps" making him far from a pure bgh player, same for Kural, he plays PGT here and then, none of the pure BGH players are nearly as good, they improved by practicing on low maps, then going back to BGH. | ||
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Aphelion
United States2720 Posts
Btw I can't understand why they could play so much regular maps and PGT and go back to BGHing...maybe its the community / ppl they hang out with? Or just because its easier to be good / less competition on BGH? | ||
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O.Oa
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RaGe
Belgium9947 Posts
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gokai
United States812 Posts
On May 28 2006 06:39 Aphelion02 wrote: Wow...reading those BGH player comments really makes me embarassed...but they have quite a good and well-organized community; we should try reaching out to them. Btw I can't understand why they could play so much regular maps and PGT and go back to BGHing...maybe its the community / ppl they hang out with? Or just because its easier to be good / less competition on BGH? I've play BGH all the times with my friends. But I never seriously played any PGT type maps. So I don't know about the "going back" part. What I do know is why BGH keeps me entertained. The atmosphere is much more relaxed than a serious game of PGT. You could really play at your own pace. Because it much more simple than a PGT game. The terrain is essentially "dumb" down and the minerals let's you focus on macroing to win or microing to win. Or *Gasp* , even use your mind to win (making good tactical decisions). And of course there are players who are good at all three skillsets, and will own you very hard. But because the atmosphere is so relaxed, this rarely happens (vs pubbies at least, it can get competitive with friends, but still relaxed). | ||
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aseq
Netherlands3977 Posts
they're decent players, but not insanely good. i see them making mistakes now and then, even in macro and micro. Their bo's are funny tho, 3rd gate on 23/25^^. | ||
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gokai
United States812 Posts
On May 27 2006 11:12 Mr.Testie wrote: I have played a lot of players on money maps, and they are still doing 1v1 builds that are completely not capable of putting up with a BGH 1v1. And you'd think that they wouldn't be so stupid as to 9/10 gate on BGH, despite there being 8 spots to scout.. and they have to get lucky and all that jazz.. but no, they do. Shit, I never thought about building a earlier gate to scout faster. Man, this is why I love bw, learning something new everyday. P.S. Very insightful post Testie. | ||
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MarcX
Netherlands772 Posts
On May 28 2006 07:33 gokai wrote: Shit, I never thought about building a earlier gate to scout faster. Very insightful post Testie. What do you mean? :S | ||
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gokai
United States812 Posts
On May 28 2006 07:39 MarcX wrote: What do you mean? :S [Nevermind, look at testies post on the next page] | ||
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Mr.Testie
973 Posts
nononononononoo Building gate earlier on money map is bad bad bad and should never ever ever happen. I was saying people who do the cancelling probe strategy of 9/10 on it.. (it's rare but i've seen it done by very good players) were completely amiss that this was terrible on it. The minute you start cancelling probes on BGH vs a top bgher, you've lost. | ||
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gokai
United States812 Posts
On May 28 2006 07:55 Mr.Testie wrote: T_T_T_T nononononononoo Building gate earlier on money map is bad bad bad and should never ever ever happen. I was saying people who do the cancelling probe strategy of 9/10 on it.. (it's rare but i've seen it done by very good players) were completely amiss that this was terrible on it. The minute you start cancelling probes on BGH vs a top bgher, you've lost. Haha, my bad testie. I read too much into your post. : ) P.S. Could you post some BGH replays (of you), you know, so I can learn more. | ||
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racebannon
Canada1225 Posts
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gokai
United States812 Posts
On May 28 2006 08:08 racebannon wrote: whenever I bgh I build a wall with 2 nexuses and pump probes I've thought about this before... maybe I should try it. Hell, anything will work against pubbies, might as well be creative. | ||
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no.1
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racebannon
Canada1225 Posts
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Xeroth
United States432 Posts
Everyone was talking about how the build orders were dramatically different from anything low-money maps had ever seen on high level BGH games. But they look pretty much exactly the same as the build orders for The Hunters (bgh's low money counterpart), with a few more gates in the mid game. It's still protoss-based, still zealot micro in the middle based at the beginning, and still shifts towards 3+ gate macro in the mid game, with 1 person per team teching, and often 1 player getting dt in the mid-late game. I didn't really see anything new in the 5 reps I watched (hDn v oib x3, hDn v nasa x2). | ||
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lololol
5198 Posts
On May 27 2006 16:18 SunAndMooN wrote: It is funny how it came to this tho... knowing that this discussion started with "any decent lowmoneymap player could beat any BGH-gamer"... and now suddenly it is talk about the honor of communities. And it is NOT ordinary lowmoneymap-gamers that are gonna show off their skills... nope... bringing in Testie to prove their point. The thing is.. IF Testie play... u still havent proved a thing. Becos Testie is NOT just a decent ordinary gamer... he is a very good gamer that has nothing to do with what this was all about. The discussion did NOT start with "some very good gamers could for sure beat BGH-gamers on BGH". But whatever makes u happy... Just make it good games and give the rest of us "noobs" reps to enjoy They will not be playing versus any BGHer, they will be playing aginst the best of them, so what are you talking about? If we talk about random BGHers, then you could just as well use for proof my 8 wins in a row 1v3, with the absolutely the same tactic - block entrance with gate/forge and some cannons, reaver drop, mass carriers, althought in most cases 2 of 3 lost all their workers, before realising what happened. They were able to beat me only in the 9th game, because I agreed to play 1v4. | ||
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racebannon
Canada1225 Posts
On May 28 2006 09:25 Xeroth wrote: So, I watched the reps of those hDn players, and I was confused. Everyone was talking about how the build orders were dramatically different from anything low-money maps had ever seen on high level BGH games. But they look pretty much exactly the same as the build orders for The Hunters (bgh's low money counterpart), with a few more gates in the mid game. It's still protoss-based, still zealot micro in the middle based at the beginning, and still shifts towards 3+ gate macro in the mid game, with 1 person per team teching, and often 1 player getting dt in the mid-late game. I didn't really see anything new in the 5 reps I watched (hDn v oib x3, hDn v nasa x2). yeah I just watched a couple. These "pro BGH" games have a fraction of the strategical depth of regular BW. if everyone playing the same race and using the same build is entertaining to you, have fun with that. It looks pretty fucking retarded to me though. To each their own, but I choose variety over the exact same game in and out. But if pressing Z on your gateways is fun to you roll with it | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36375 Posts
On May 28 2006 09:38 lololol wrote: one time i beat comps 1v7 using ONLY probes omafgad;gja They will not be playing versus any BGHer, they will be playing aginst the best of them, so what are you talking about? If we talk about random BGHers, then you could just as well use for proof my 8 wins in a row 1v3, with the absolutely the same tactic - block entrance with gate/forge and some cannons, reaver drop, mass carriers, althought in most cases 2 of 3 lost all their workers, before realising what happened. They were able to beat me only in the 9th game, because I agreed to play 1v4. | ||
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poor newb
United States1879 Posts
hell, you'll even make pimpest play 2006 that way | ||
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no.1
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SF-Fork
Russian Federation1401 Posts
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gokai
United States812 Posts
On May 28 2006 09:58 no.1 wrote: it is said that testie counts to the best low players in europe (us/can included).. so it will be 'best' low vs 'best' bgh'ers When you say "low" you mean his macro/micro/tactics aren't on par with top players, or what? Labeling testie as a "low" player says almost nothing. You have to be more specific and clear. | ||
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CoralReefer
Canada2069 Posts
On May 28 2006 10:46 gokai wrote: When you say "low" you mean his macro/micro/tactics aren't on par with top players, or what? Labeling testie as a "low" player says almost nothing. You have to be more specific and clear. low money. | ||
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Haemonculus
United States6980 Posts
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gokai
United States812 Posts
On May 28 2006 10:55 ml1710 wrote: low money. K, thanks for clearing it up. | ||
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Jin
Canada439 Posts
I predict hDn wins 3-0 because I don't think templargoon or S.o)Drex has any clue how to play team BGH. | ||
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Mr.Testie
973 Posts
I am not playin with those newblettes. I meant in 1v1. ;o | ||
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Grumel
Germany88 Posts
This 1on1 bgh fixed map is normaly used to train 3on3, with a lot of regulations like no dark templer and canons simple makro/mikro training. | ||
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O.Oa
Germany32 Posts
Nice gg`s It were 2on2´s and the BGH player played RND. The showmatch will start in 10 min | ||
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Sr18
Netherlands1141 Posts
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Tossim1
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28665 Posts
loL LOL LOL LOL LO LNOOb | ||
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Mr.Testie
973 Posts
Testie / Idra = 4-3 Testie / Daze = 1-3 Testie / Mondi = 0-0... :D But they played well. Lost twice because I was determined to expo as zerg. Apparently not. ;P Shrug, they're good. Look forward to playin' em more. Brings back lots of BW nostalgia. | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
 Or well, testie, you'd get to stay. Daze tho..  : D | ||
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YoUr_KiLLeR
United States3420 Posts
..........LOL @ fayth. tl controversy lmao good one. | ||
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O.Oa
Germany32 Posts
gg´s | ||
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YoUr_KiLLeR
United States3420 Posts
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Grumel
Germany88 Posts
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Phantom
Canada2151 Posts
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Jin
Canada439 Posts
Who was the third that templargoon managed to convince? It would've been a monstrous upset of templargoon's team managed to last more than 20 mins in any game. | ||
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O.Oa
Germany32 Posts
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Grumel
Germany88 Posts
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Liquid`HayprO
Iraq1230 Posts
On May 28 2006 13:04 O.Oa wrote: Showmatch endresult: 3-0 gg´s testie lost 0-3 vs who? | ||
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Mr.Testie
973 Posts
YOU AGAIN ;O | ||
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lololol
5198 Posts
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O.Oa
Germany32 Posts
There are some replays vs Testie and his friends. THe Showmatch replays will follow soon *edit http://bgh.ausbc.net/download.php?view.334 the showmatch 2on2 are here. | ||
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cuteFayth
Canada1167 Posts
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no.1
516 Posts
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geod
Vietnam450 Posts
On May 28 2006 14:22 cuteFayth wrote: hope it was fun making fun of me when i lost when nick + daze goes 1-3 this proved again 80% of tl.net is completely ignorant Fayth, you lost or win, that doesnt matter, but the way you deal with it matters. It's totally stupid and shit your behavior your excuse. I really wonder until when you can understand that. | ||
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DaZe
Sweden2111 Posts
I guess they are good but 2on2 on BGH is very much about what races... when they were P and Z and me T and nick Z we owned them pretty bad ;> then the other 3 games were we lost they were P-P and as nick already said he fast expoed! But they are very good on bgh gogogo more games plz~~ | ||
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gokai
United States812 Posts
On May 28 2006 11:58 Grumel wrote: No good bgh player plays 1on1 bgh. Thats left to people like me that love canons and carrier. This 1on1 bgh fixed map is normaly used to train 3on3, with a lot of regulations like no dark templer and canons simple makro/mikro training. Man, that's a good way to practice. I should do that with my friends. | ||
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Grumel
Germany88 Posts
On May 28 2006 14:47 DaZe wrote: lol they didnt play random all games, at least one of them almost picked protoss every game. The games me and testie lost they were both P... I guess they are good but 2on2 on BGH is very much about what races... when they were P and Z and me T and nick Z we owned them pretty bad ;> then the other 3 games were we lost they were P-P and as nick already said he fast expoed! But they are very good on bgh gogogo more games plz~~ Whatever, i am sure we will get some games where both teams play their best bgh races. Which will be P most likely. At least on hdns side its Protoss. On yours most likely to, as bgh favours p a lot. So gogogo pp vs pp. | ||
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no.1
516 Posts
On May 28 2006 14:47 DaZe wrote: lol they didnt play random all games, at least one of them almost picked protoss every game. The games me and testie lost they were both P... I guess they are good but 2on2 on BGH is very much about what races... when they were P and Z and me T and nick Z we owned them pretty bad ;> then the other 3 games were we lost they were P-P and as nick already said he fast expoed! But they are very good on bgh gogogo more games plz~~ when u played pp vs pp u lost too, and maybe he shouldnt fast expand on bgh, i mean before the games he said the really good players can adapt fast on the map. then he should know fast expand is not that good for z on this map vs pp. | ||
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Sr18
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Mr.Testie
973 Posts
But i'd like a shot at the 1v1 one when it comes time! I doubt dissy would want to 2v2 that though. ;d | ||
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cuteFayth
Canada1167 Posts
On May 28 2006 14:33 geod wrote: Fayth, you lost or win, that doesnt matter, but the way you deal with it matters. It's totally stupid and shit your behavior your excuse. I really wonder until when you can understand that. Yeah but i don't care what people think, i know it's about my behavior, but wether i seem harsh when i "excuse" it's still all pretty much the truth, unless u can prove otherwise. | ||
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geod
Vietnam450 Posts
End of the story dude | ||
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cuteFayth
Canada1167 Posts
deal | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On May 28 2006 12:16 O.Oa wrote: It were 2on2´s and the BGH player played RND. ? at least one of them picked toss every time it was me/testie and i assume daze who randomed every time. | ||
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DarK]N[exuS
China1441 Posts
Idra and Testie have played many BGH games so I'm not surprised they at least were able to win more games. And Fayth, first you insult everyone who plays BGH in your moronic conversation logs saying BGH blows and everyone who plays it blows and has no macro micro skill strategy etc and then you come on here and say "look testie and daze lost they arne't so bad everyone shutup." You hypocritical nerd. | ||
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Mr.Testie
973 Posts
Excuses and anger balled into one. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On May 28 2006 18:50 DarK]N[exuS wrote: Idra and Testie have played many BGH games so I'm not surprised they at least were able to win more games. besides a few random pubbie games with rush bc and the like id never played bgh before. | ||
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Purind
Canada3562 Posts
On May 28 2006 14:22 cuteFayth wrote: hope it was fun making fun of me when i lost when nick + daze goes 1-3 this proved again 80% of tl.net is completely ignorant They weren't making fun of you because you lost. They were making fun of you because of your behaviour | ||
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Xeroth
United States432 Posts
Shrug. Still takes alot of multitasking, obviously macro, and early game zealot micro. There is also something to be said about base arrangement/probe micro as well (but that should be utilized more in team games on any map). | ||
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Vietnam2038 Posts
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cuteFayth
Canada1167 Posts
On May 28 2006 18:50 DarK]N[exuS wrote: Daze if they wanted to win on BGH they will go all protoss, hdn all protoss will I expect beat any combination of races you can come up with. Idra and Testie have played many BGH games so I'm not surprised they at least were able to win more games. And Fayth, first you insult everyone who plays BGH in your moronic conversation logs saying BGH blows and everyone who plays it blows and has no macro micro skill strategy etc and then you come on here and say "look testie and daze lost they arne't so bad everyone shutup." You hypocritical nerd. bla bla bla pussy | ||
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cuteFayth
Canada1167 Posts
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DarK]N[exuS
China1441 Posts
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cuteFayth
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
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Sm!te
United States89 Posts
On May 28 2006 04:50 DarK]N[exuS wrote: Also TemplarGoon, I doubt you'll win. Seriously doubt it. And your arrogant attitude is pretty amusing. arogant attitude? no, i prefer positive outlook. either way postitive was not enough and we lost. they really are very good. and to all of those who would call me noob, you go play them and i will laugh when you lose too. EDIT: and fayth has been bashed enough i think  | ||
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CoralReefer
Canada2069 Posts
On May 28 2006 18:50 DarK]N[exuS wrote: Daze if they wanted to win on BGH they will go all protoss, hdn all protoss will I expect beat any combination of races you can come up with. Idra and Testie have played many BGH games so I'm not surprised they at least were able to win more games. And Fayth, first you insult everyone who plays BGH in your moronic conversation logs saying BGH blows and everyone who plays it blows and has no macro micro skill strategy etc and then you come on here and say "look testie and daze lost they arne't so bad everyone shutup." You hypocritical nerd. quit trolling | ||
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DaZe
Sweden2111 Posts
On May 28 2006 20:05 {88}iNcontroL wrote: Are admins really going to sit by and watch this? Id like to think we have higher expectation for this forum. agreed! second of all ppl are speaking of BGH as it is another game than the rest of bw. Its different sure, but its the same as playing a totally new map from korea or something (ok not exactly the same since resources are weird) but basicly its the same! GG | ||
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Sm!te
United States89 Posts
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IntoTheWow
is awesome32274 Posts
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gokai
United States812 Posts
If you can't take criticism, then stay away from the damn forum. I know your angry Fayth, and I say stupid shit when I'm angry too. But your lame attack is uncalled for. | ||
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YoUr_KiLLeR
United States3420 Posts
On May 28 2006 15:52 cuteFayth wrote: Yeah but i don't care what people think, i know it's about my behavior, but wether i seem harsh when i "excuse" it's still all pretty much the truth, unless u can prove otherwise. you don't seem harsh, you seem really pathetic. | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17727 Posts
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Nok
Sweden39 Posts
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b_unnies
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Nok
Sweden39 Posts
On May 29 2006 01:37 b_unnies wrote: so it ended 3-0? hdn won? yes | ||
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Mandalor
Germany2362 Posts
On May 29 2006 01:32 Nok wrote: it was not the best constellation. if projekt-q/x played the results would be even clearer. do they still play? very weird guys | ||
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gokai
United States812 Posts
On May 28 2006 19:30 Elvin_vn wrote: omg i never thought bgh could be this boring after watching all those reps I haven't watched the reps, but if they're boring I'll have to think twice. May I suggest the players tone down their compeitiveness and do some whacky shit. Just think of Nal_ra and his creativity, and you guys should be set. | ||
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pHobiA
Germany89 Posts
So i didnt play much pgt this season but i had no problem to go for the top 10 of the german pgt 2n2 ladder with 2 of my mucho allies. And 1n1 it isnt to hard to get on c+ either ... So its rly no surprise c+ or higher gamers loosing vs a good mucho 2n2 team, especially as most mucho gamers playing mainly 2n2 and the good ones have really great teamplay, marco and good micro aswell. I invite anyone who wants to do some games to channel "op spielwiese" @ europe... | ||
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strik.fr
France212 Posts
Of course it's a surprise !!! if fayth would not have been "spotted" we would even not have been interested by this games being sure of a newbee baching ! Most of all guys here who make nice and sweet strategic post have always considered bgh gamers like the worst newbees on b.net, don't be hypocritical ! | ||
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polarwolf
924 Posts
On May 28 2006 15:52 cuteFayth wrote: Yeah but i don't care what people think, i know it's about my behavior, but wether i seem harsh when i "excuse" it's still all pretty much the truth, unless u can prove otherwise. If you don't care what people think, fuck off this forum and stop insulting people. And you don't care what people think, your bm behaviour proves the opposite. When I checked the chat between you and the bgh-gamers I thought "what a arrogant wanker!" | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On May 29 2006 05:15 strik.fr wrote: Of course it's a surprise !!! if fayth would not have been "spotted" we would even not have been interested by this games being sure of a newbee baching ! Most of all guys here who make nice and sweet strategic post have always considered bgh gamers like the worst newbees on b.net, don't be hypocritical ! Well, I knew there were koreans who played BGH seriously (ie at a high level), and I HAD heard of these guys before =] + I remember someone made a highlight video of BGH players which was nice :D So, at first when I heard fayth lost I was a bit surprised (he lost on Luna ;O) but not as much when I heard he lost on BGH =] | ||
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Sun
United States551 Posts
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Elvin_vn
Vietnam2038 Posts
On May 29 2006 03:39 gokai wrote: I haven't watched the reps, but if they're boring I'll have to think twice. May I suggest the players tone down their compeitiveness and do some whacky shit. Just think of Nal_ra and his creativity, and you guys should be set. in term of action it was ok in term of strategy, there is no strategy. In all 6 games of fayth and all testie's games, the only strat that works is 3 gates zeals to goons and add more gate + templar or dt. edit: not all but oh well.. | ||
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cuteFayth
Canada1167 Posts
On May 28 2006 22:39 YoUr_KiLLeR wrote: you don't seem harsh, you seem really pathetic. everyone got their views | ||
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cuteFayth
Canada1167 Posts
On May 29 2006 05:16 polarwolf wrote: If you don't care what people think, fuck off this forum and stop insulting people. And you don't care what people think, your bm behaviour proves the opposite. When I checked the chat between you and the bgh-gamers I thought "what a arrogant wanker!" you obviously don't know the meaning of not caring about what people think | ||
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O.Oa
Germany32 Posts
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
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Mr.Testie
973 Posts
He seems better than Fayth with toss. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
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O.Oa
Germany32 Posts
On May 29 2006 08:18 Mr.Testie wrote: Kural, the guy fayth played on luna actually looks not too bad. He seems better than Fayth with toss. I think so too =D. His PvsZ is very nice too on low. Maybe u should invite him and train him. He could be the next No.1 protoss for sure. He is really nice on low. But he dont play it that often. =P | ||
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polarwolf
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CoralReefer
Canada2069 Posts
On May 29 2006 08:48 O.Oa wrote: I think so too =D. His PvsZ is very nice too on low. Maybe u should invite him and train him. He could be the next No.1 protoss for sure. He is really nice on low. But he dont play it that often. =P his comment was probably meant as more of a jab at fayth than a genuine compliment to kural | ||
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cuteFayth
Canada1167 Posts
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CoralReefer
Canada2069 Posts
On May 29 2006 09:03 cuteFayth wrote: ban me from this retarded forum wow that was fast -_- | ||
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haduken
Australia8267 Posts
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Mr.Testie
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max_power
Slovakia163 Posts
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O.Oa
Germany32 Posts
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lightman
United States731 Posts
![[image loading]](http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/7296/testis23bk.jpg) lol, this made my day | ||
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normal
Hungary22 Posts
On May 26 2006 22:35 [angst]chraej wrote: no you guys are wrong, bgh does make you a noob, you just a trained noob, therefore you know how to mass units as fast as you possibly can and mindlessly send them at your opponent, or else you can bunker in and go straight for BC tech, after you set up 100 + turrets that is. (these are the only strats i came across after reading this and having a go at it...) Interesting thought. I would argue with it though. Who says knowing a tactic on a spectacular map makes you a noob? Even professional players have preferred maps, and have preferred strategy. That's what Starcraft is about strategy. Why say massing is noob ? Consider macroing and microing are the two sides of the scale, they are to balance each other. Some players are stronger on micro some on macro, as far as I know macroing is somewhat about massing, right ? By the way, Im not a BGH, neither a Hunter player, just so you know, but I can see the values of a BGH only player too. Try that yourself! PS : Of course knowing all the maps, knowing all the tactics, knowing everything is the best choice. But considering the time we've got on our hands, it's a goal we can hardly achieve. Even though we are trying damn hard. Just keep that spirit .  | ||
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gacha
Vietnam91 Posts
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On May 29 2006 11:56 gacha wrote: omg they are not bad , if not better than a lot of us in here . Accept the truth , Testie is one of the best non-korea BW player and lose 0-3 even on BGH map , Fayth was raped badly @ Luna . Damn atleast they have really nice macro Testie+idra went 4-3 vs them in 2:2 on bgh, testie + daze went 1-3 vs them on BGH, then Templargoon and uh something drex or something, they lost 0-3. | ||
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polarwolf
924 Posts
On May 29 2006 09:03 cuteFayth wrote: ban me from this retarded forum ROFL!!!!! Cutefayth, you are so entertaining! You take the bashes like a REAL man: Anyone remembers this thread? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?currentpage=10&topic_id=36779 the faythbashing starts... We have some nice pic from you ;-) | ||
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X-Men-Pickle
United States60 Posts
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GodsDevil[5thF]
Romania622 Posts
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Gandalf
Pakistan1905 Posts
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IntoTheWow
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polarwolf
924 Posts
On May 29 2006 12:25 Gandalf wrote: Why the hell was Testie banned? he was banned? Well, didn't have something like "Rekrul Autobahn Testie"? | ||
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prac1
United States30 Posts
I'd still say that PGT and non-money maps are much more difficult to play, and I suppose calling BGH'ers nubs isn't farfetched. However, just because you play BGH doesn't mean that you are nub. It can be a matter of preference. | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
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normal
Hungary22 Posts
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BalloonFight
United States2007 Posts
On May 28 2006 21:55 IntoTheWow wrote: I played some BGH today. The people i have met so far are really nice Nice meeting you. | ||
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Grumel
Germany88 Posts
I personally play everything really everyhing from 815 to fastest. But most time, i am spending on bgh or lowmaps. Hunters is just uninteresting. I cant outmakro 3 average bad public bashers, i cant mass shit units like Scouts, and i cant play serious because i wont find good opponents/allies for hunters games, expect freaky koreans that cant speak english. And by the way hunters gameplay is much closer to bgh then to low. | ||
ManaBlue
Canada10458 Posts
Damn kids and your music. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
mondi/testie vs whoever | ||
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DaZe
Sweden2111 Posts
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
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Gandalf
Pakistan1905 Posts
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O.Oa
Germany32 Posts
just babotoss is one | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
well, its babotoss VIVALDI and fastback | ||
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DarK]N[exuS
China1441 Posts
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X-Men-Pickle
United States60 Posts
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Gandalf
Pakistan1905 Posts
On May 29 2006 15:44 DarK]N[exuS wrote: Vivaldi is terrible, he has like 300 apm but he plays really badly, so I guess that he spams to boost it for no good reason. Babotoss is decent but hdn is K00lam/Kural/projektx koolam = kural, just his aka | ||
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Gandalf
Pakistan1905 Posts
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DarK]N[exuS
China1441 Posts
Ya I know, just meant by slash different names | ||
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Gandalf
Pakistan1905 Posts
On May 29 2006 15:11 HungZerg wrote: nvm mondi/testie/idra 5-0 hdn guys Post reps please!! | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On May 29 2006 13:52 Grumel wrote: After all its all about having fun with playing. And bgh with unlimited resources got its advantages. For better players, because its easier to build mass shit units. For newbies, because they can stay in the game for some time. For Massmakro fans because they can pump out of 60 warpgates. And honestly, a game that ends with ouf of resources on hunters is just stupid boring newbie shit. If it comes to people like hdn, it doesnt really matter anymore if hunters or bgh, just the same expect that you build more probes continously. I personally play everything really everyhing from 815 to fastest. But most time, i am spending on bgh or lowmaps. Hunters is just uninteresting. I cant outmakro 3 average bad public bashers, i cant mass shit units like Scouts, and i cant play serious because i wont find good opponents/allies for hunters games, expect freaky koreans that cant speak english. And by the way hunters gameplay is much closer to bgh then to low. Hm, I guess your taste is just different - I really love when the map is starting to run out, games can become really cool then. | ||
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Elvin_vn
Vietnam2038 Posts
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strik.fr
France212 Posts
On May 29 2006 12:23 GodsDevil[5thF] wrote: so next the fast map players will say they are gosus ? lol | ||
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QuietIdiot
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Nok
Sweden39 Posts
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Hungary22 Posts
On May 29 2006 22:55 Elvin_vn wrote: in bgh people would laugh if someone would take the time to kill 1 lurker with 1 marine ROFL :D ^_^ | ||
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Grumel
Germany88 Posts
On May 29 2006 18:06 FrozenArbiter wrote: Hm, I guess your taste is just different - I really low when the map is starting to run out, games can become really cool then. Some misunderstanding here i guess. I am talking only of this one map hunters. Because the design of the map just makes it extremly unlikely that minerals end if there are not 8 turteling newbies playing. | ||
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Grumel
Germany88 Posts
But only babo is hdn member. And we still lack some background info, which races were played ? I am not surprised that a team with Testie and Mondragon in it can win 5:0 vs this people on bgh. Replays and a rematch with the best of the best would be interesting. Edit: My unqualified guess for a best bgh team currently would be: Kural/Smurfish/Projekt-x. | ||
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jtan
Sweden5891 Posts
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
Pretty funny stuff and obviously the best money gamers > the best mucho gamers. That is for sure. It would be the other way around if we had pro gaming tournaments in korea on much maps instead. | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36375 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On May 30 2006 05:20 Grumel wrote: Some misunderstanding here i guess. I am talking only of this one map hunters. Because the design of the map just makes it extremly unlikely that minerals end if there are not 8 turteling newbies playing. Well, when YOUR bases are running out it's still fun, fighting for the remaining expansions | ||
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CoralReefer
Canada2069 Posts
i highly doubt testie / mondi / etc would lose after understanding and adapting to bgh strategy i also think the korean clans which specialize in 3v3 hunters would whoop them with better micro/macro. (just another case of korea vs the world -_-) | ||
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gokai
United States812 Posts
On May 29 2006 13:52 Grumel wrote: After all its all about having fun with playing. And bgh with unlimited resources got its advantages. For better players, because its easier to build mass shit units. For newbies, because they can stay in the game for some time. For Massmakro fans because they can pump out of 60 warpgates. And honestly, a game that ends with ouf of resources on hunters is just stupid boring newbie shit. If it comes to people like hdn, it doesnt really matter anymore if hunters or bgh, just the same expect that you build more probes continously. I personally play everything really everyhing from 815 to fastest. But most time, i am spending on bgh or lowmaps. Hunters is just uninteresting. I cant outmakro 3 average bad public bashers, i cant mass shit units like Scouts, and i cant play serious because i wont find good opponents/allies for hunters games, expect freaky koreans that cant speak english. And by the way hunters gameplay is much closer to bgh then to low. I'd like to summarize what Grumel has been trying to say in my own words. BGH allows alot more freedom than PGT maps or hunters. You're allowed to do whacky shit with sloppy micro/macro, and it whould still be fun. No one really cares if you have perfect execution or not. It's all about freestyling and having a blast, expecially with 3v3's. Well, think of it as a party map and you'll soon enjoy it alot more. -t1.gokai | ||
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IntoTheWow
is awesome32274 Posts
Reasons: - Theres only one map everyknows, so its harder to make new moves on it. - You do cute stuff (ie: fast reaver drop)-> you get run over. | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28665 Posts
but luna doesnt allow any more room for freestyling either. so they're pretty much the same imo. only difference is a game on luna changes character and might actually become really cool and demanding of creativity if the game goes on for an hour and the map is starting to get mined dry, but that almost never happens anyway. so yeah about the same. well cept luna is also balanced. but still no more fun than bgh. =[ | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On May 30 2006 09:23 ml1710 wrote: bgh is much easier to play on the "highest levels" considering it is basically imbalanced for toss and generally mastering one strategy. i highly doubt testie / mondi / etc would lose after understanding and adapting to bgh strategy i also think the korean clans which specialize in 3v3 hunters would whoop them with better micro/macro. (just another case of korea vs the world -_-) What about the Korean BGH clans ;D! | ||
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CoralReefer
Canada2069 Posts
hahaha u got me there | ||
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Sun
United States551 Posts
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gokai
United States812 Posts
On May 30 2006 09:57 IntoTheWow wrote: I think BGh allow actually less frestyle than any pgtour map. Reasons: - Theres only one map everyknows, so its harder to make new moves on it. - You do cute stuff (ie: fast reaver drop)-> you get run over. Thanks for pointing that out IntoTheWow. And because I only play BGH with my friends, I have a limited perspective on things. P.S. I'm always willing to learn more. You wana play some 2v2 on pgtour with me sometimes? Already Pm'd you. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On May 30 2006 09:59 Liquid`Drone wrote: it has been shown that on the highest levels bgh doesn't allow much room for freestyling.. you even have to play protoss. that's not fun. i dont think ppp is as required as people seem to think. maybe it would be different vs the top top players but we played ppt and one ppz because my toss sucks in team games and it seemed to work fine. | ||
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SoDrunk
United Kingdom291 Posts
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AZN)Boy
United States57 Posts
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Grumel
Germany88 Posts
But thats not exactly all day business on bgh that you get 2 equal high level teams. And on lower levels, or if one team is stronger, getting terra/zerg or doing funny stuff is absolutely possible. In fact, bgh got huge potential for fun builds on lower levels. Just count all this nice cliffs etc <-> | ||
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CoralReefer
Canada2069 Posts
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Grumel
Germany88 Posts
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CoralReefer
Canada2069 Posts
let me summarize for you: high lvl: bgh = all toss, one strat "normal" maps (such as pro 2v2 maps) = many races, many strats low lvl: bgh = many races, many strats normal = same i haven't seen many reps of testie & mondi 2v2ing, but i think testie usually goes random and mondragon chooses zerg. | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
I think that team games in general, at high levels, allow for a lot less innovation than one on one when they are played on maps like the hunters/bgh, but of course when you get a nice innovative map like Iron Curtain it will be different (maybe it's different on usan nation as well, I wouldn't know, at least I don't think pure pp vs pp is favoured on it unlike other maps). | ||
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nitram
Canada5412 Posts
Not you Banned bitch | ||
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lIlIlIlIlIlI
Korea (South)3851 Posts
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
granted hes probably still a fool, but thats not good reasoning to base it on. | ||
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CoralReefer
Canada2069 Posts
On May 30 2006 18:21 randomKo_Orean wrote: You are a fool. Most of the time, they Z/Z if you don't even know their race in 2v2s for Tot, i don't think you should be talking about team-play very much you are over reacting... notice how i stated i haven't seen many reps of them i also said i think testie goes random besides, testie and mondragon are not the pinnacle of 2v2s, not knowing about them doesn't mean i haven't seen progamers play. | ||
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5HITCOMBO
Japan2239 Posts
On May 30 2006 18:21 randomKo_Orean wrote: Most of the time, they Z/Z Gaaaay. | ||
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Sadist
United States7229 Posts
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useLess
United States4781 Posts
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CoralReefer
Canada2069 Posts
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DarK]N[exuS
China1441 Posts
Other than the fact that BGH is much more popular (which is unarguable; money maps are most popular), I think that many of the "upper level" BGH players wouldn't have too much difficulty playing Hunters. I for one really enjoy playing 3;3 BGH with my friends, and all of us usually expand even if we don't "need" it; it's just a habit. Really, the biggest difference between hunters map and BGH hunters map is that zerg 9 pooling to 3 hatch lings is viable for a much much longer time, given that most games don't progress past 10-15 minutes just because 3;3s is centered around basic units. Of course, if the game progressed for a really long time then you will start to see differences as expos are needed and minerals run out. | ||
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VietBitter
Australia62 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On May 31 2006 10:25 DarK]N[exuS wrote: It's alot easier to find BGH 3;3s is definitely true, but if you really want to play 3;3 hunters if you wait til Korean main times you can find tons of pub 3;3s. However, most people who are"serious" about playing team games don't play pubs, just like serious 1;1ers mainly play private or PGT games. Other than the fact that BGH is much more popular (which is unarguable; money maps are most popular), I think that many of the "upper level" BGH players wouldn't have too much difficulty playing Hunters. I for one really enjoy playing 3;3 BGH with my friends, and all of us usually expand even if we don't "need" it; it's just a habit. Really, the biggest difference between hunters map and BGH hunters map is that zerg 9 pooling to 3 hatch lings is viable for a much much longer time, given that most games don't progress past 10-15 minutes just because 3;3s is centered around basic units. Of course, if the game progressed for a really long time then you will start to see differences as expos are needed and minerals run out. Set your regional settings to korea and you'll see a completely different gamelist from what you are used to (one dominated by hunters/lt/luna). | ||
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gokai
United States812 Posts
On May 31 2006 17:42 FrozenArbiter wrote: Set your regional settings to korea and you'll see a completely different gamelist from what you are used to (one dominated by hunters/lt/luna). At first I thought you meant Gateways, but then I realize that wasn't it. Could you tell me how to change the regional settings? I tried to do it with x7 patcher but there wasn't an option for it. (pm'd you) | ||
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dream-_-
United States1857 Posts
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nitram
Canada5412 Posts
On May 31 2006 18:52 gokai wrote: At first I thought you meant Gateways, but then I realize that wasn't it. Could you tell me how to change the regional settings? I tried to do it with x7 patcher but there wasn't an option for it. (pm'd you) its in control panel | ||
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gokai
United States812 Posts
Haha, got it now. Thanks alot : ) | ||
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