EPTOn December 01 2011 04:19 prplhz wrote:
I don't even know what that means, but I was town in steamship lol.
I don't even know what that means, but I was town in steamship lol.
I know, I got you lynched after you tunneled up a case against me.
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risk.nuke
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I know, I got you lynched after you tunneled up a case against me. | ||
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risk.nuke
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On December 01 2011 04:22 risk.nuke wrote: I know, I got you lynched after you tunneled up a case against me. btw "but I was town in steamship" as in you are scum here? scumslip? | ||
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prplhz
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AmericanUmlaut
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WBG, please either post an analysis of why you think a vig should waste a shot on me or take me off your list. So far your entire analysis of my play seems to be that I am "useless". You realize that that condemns a pretty large group in this game, right? I apologize for being afk for so long, I would have preferred to be here for the entire thing and I obviously wish I could have seen the last-second mass scum switch and responded, but when I've been active I've been doing my very best to make posts that are worthwhile. I'm trying to help get anti-town players shot or lynched and I'm trying to learn to read scum tells by watching the rest of you; this is a complicated game to learn, but I'm contributing as well as I can. | ||
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Serejai
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On December 01 2011 04:22 risk.nuke wrote: I know, I got you lynched after you tunneled up a case against me. When this guy flips scum from his modkill PLEASE start looking at the other mafia I've pointed out in this thread -_- Starting with wherebugsgo before he manipulates town into self-sabotage by shooting a bunch of townies tonight. | ||
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Barbiero
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On December 01 2011 04:28 risk.nuke wrote: btw "but I was town in steamship" as in you are scum here? scumslip? ...not a scumslip at all, he just stated a fucking fact. He was indeed town in steamship. Geez, you guys are doing the exact same BS to him as it was done on steamship, looking for the most ridiculous type of evidence and pushing him over it. I even defended him like that there despite being scum on that game. | ||
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Kurumi
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On December 01 2011 04:38 Zephirdd wrote: ...not a scumslip at all, he just stated a fucking fact. He was indeed town in steamship. Geez, you guys are doing the exact same BS to him as it was done on steamship, looking for the most ridiculous type of evidence and pushing him over it. I even defended him like that there despite being scum on that game. lol what | ||
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Mattchew
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On December 01 2011 04:38 Zephirdd wrote: ...not a scumslip at all, he just stated a fucking fact. He was indeed town in steamship. Geez, you guys are doing the exact same BS to him as it was done on steamship, looking for the most ridiculous type of evidence and pushing him over it. I even defended him like that there despite being scum on that game. scumslip? | ||
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misread please ignore | ||
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Lanaia
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On December 01 2011 02:42 layabout wrote: if you think that, look through my posts and do some analysis. saying i agree "X is scummy" is inherently useless if you are not prepared to back it up later and is another way in which you can appear to contribute without actually doing so. Sorry hun. I reread. I guess walls of text actually do have content if you read them in depth and not just quickly. You're back to a null read. Can you guys start posting more than just 1-5 words per post? I'd appreciate it as would most other people because of the sheer volume of pages we have. I mean, if you can say something meaningful, I don't have an issue, but it's all this "lol" and whatnot that drives me insane. | ||
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wherebugsgo
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prplhz analysis I'm going to quickly respond to some of the things prpl just said really recently and then build the case. On December 01 2011 03:46 prplhz wrote: You made a list of 15 people you thought were scum and then BloodyC0bbler said "there's one missing" and you said "u lol", I don't know when this was 'cause this thread is moving pretty fast but I am pretty sure it was hours after the lynch deadline. In addition to this you are accusing me based on: no analysis, shitty (all meta used against me is shitty) and secret meta arguments, and the insane idea that 6 scum scrambled to save me. This was right after lynch, yes, when I was still frothing at the mouth wanting to bash in the heads of scum because they killed Palmar. I also was extraordinarily suspicious of BC going in because of how he defended Zeks on the scumslip. I slowly realized that it made more sense that BC is town and scum wanted to off both mayor+sheriff in one swoop, so I stopped pursuing BC shortly after. That's also why I remade the list while talking to BC+sandro about scumreads. At this point I'm willing to believe BC is town, but if I die tonight and double lynch is not enacted then BC needs to die immediately. analysis There's going to be a lot of old stuff interspersed with new stuff. I don't really stick to any chronological order or anything. First thing I want everyone to remember is that the lynch yesterday should have been zeks+prplhz. Now, I want to open by pointing out this: On November 24 2011 17:16 prplhz wrote: [*]Lynch-all-liars - If you are caught lying in this thread, you get lynched. [*]Lynch-all-scum - This is the most important one and takes precedence over the other policies, if you are being scum in this thread, you get lynched. Now you have read this post, you know who I am and what I stand for. I am the best bid for mayor that this town has to offer. Vote prplhz for mayor. Thank you. Everyone so far has bashed prpl repeatedly for his bad mayoral campaign. Yeah, we know. It was half hearted and it seemed to appeal to the mass of new players who entered this game by trying to tell them not to make mistakes. People have pointed that out repeatedly, but I want to point out this part of the post. prpl supports LaL but fails on two key issues regarding it. First, is zeks. Zeks lied about his miller/vig claim and prpl never pushed his lynch in the thread. Did prpl conveniently not notice this? Instead, he chose to vote Palmar and annul yesterday, neither of which lied, and neither which were as scummy as himself or zeks. Secondly, prpl himself has lied on at least one occasion. First is a lie we can't really substantiate and is probably just a subjective opinion (the fact that he can tell bad players apart from scum) The second is a little more damning, as it is evidence that he is actually not saying anything worth listening to. He doesn't have real scumreads, since within a few hours he went from calling me his best scumread to asking me where he called me scum. On November 30 2011 21:21 prplhz wrote: wherebugsgo is my strongest scum read at this time. His activity doesn't mean anything, but he is lying his ass off to get whatever he wants while trying to appear a lot more pro-town than his actions really are. That list up there consists of 6 people who will get shot by any person with a brain and the rest of the list is very questionable. He claims some are backed up by analysis, which is untrue in my case at least, and the rest of them is based on who voted Palmar and who voted for wherebugsgo. This is shitty beyond anything. On December 01 2011 03:20 prplhz wrote: Show me the quote where I say that you're scum. Made not even 8 hours apart from each other. prpl is a liar; by the very policy he used to run his platform for mayor on day 1, he should be lynched. On November 25 2011 00:18 prplhz wrote: Response About Lynch-All-Liars Some people are wondering why we need to lynch a person just because he lied. Townies can lie too but it is very important that they don't as they will muddy up the thread. There are very few situations where a townie should lie, but only the absolutely top players will have to lie at any point during this game. A strict Lynch-All-Liars policy shouldn't even be discussed as it might lead to some players thinking it will not be implemented, thinking that they can get away with lying. Discussing Lynch-All-Liars is counterproductive to itself. If you lie, you will get lynched. sup bitch. Can I stop my analysis now? nahhh...I guess I'll keep going, cause I'm having fun. On November 30 2011 03:45 prplhz wrote: @BloodyC0bbler I am thinking that if you maybe subtly direct medics to bodyguards tonight a couple of them can survive and then we can keep all of our double lynches if we just use them back to back. Or bodyguards can just straight up claim. But in the end it is up to you, as it is imperative for town that you survive. rofl why would you ever want the BGs to claim unless you want them all to get shot? prpl says he wants BC to survive but then suggests that the identities of the BGs be seeded into the thread, either by BC "subtly" putting them in or by the BGs just claiming. In no way is breadcrumbing BG ever town favored, nor is straight up claiming BG. Prpl advocates a scum-favored idea almost blatantly. On November 30 2011 05:31 prplhz wrote: How it makes sense that I tell you not to tell newbies to stop posting analysis to try and prove their own innocence? I have no clue what you're getting at. @wherebugsgo My logic is not terrible. I know that Palmar is a very good mafia player, as both alignments. I know that it is not townie behavior to OMGUS BloodyC0bbler right after Ace died, and then post emotional speeches to prove his innocence instead of keeping his eyes on the ball. Palmar knows that you prove your innocence by posting analysis, not by just posting some poem or lyrics or whatever the hell that was. It looks to me like Palmar is trying to trade himself 1for1 successively with all other townies while refusing to show even a glimpse of what I know is a terrific scumhunter. I honestly don't know a lot about this "bad logic", did I ever display "good logic" in any games? I am not trying to claim the "bad defense", all I know is that Palmar's behavior doesn't make sense to me if he was townie. Can you explain it? This quote is laughable in hindsight. 1. OMGUS is not a town nor scumtell, especially when only done once or twice under pressure. It is pretty freaking distracting if it's repeatedly done, and the only form of suspicion a player has, though. 2. Prpl keeps mentioning "1 for 1" trade without even considering the merits of a 1 for 1 trade from a scum perspective. Why the fuck would a scum mayor want to trade "1 for 1" for any of the sheep townies voting him? A scum mayor is incredibly more valuable than any derp townie, no scum would ever bother trading 1 for 1 like that. By statistics alone the scumteam values each of its members at like 3 townies right now. Your logic was terrible, prpl, because you kept asserting Palmar of doing scummy things when, in reality, they made no sense at all from a scum perspective. This is why I was so vigorously defending him. The case on him was trash, and his flip only confirms me as being correct. Palmar wasn't doing anything that was scum-favored, in fact most of the stuff he did was so anti-scum it was surprising Ace moronically went after both myself and him so damn quickly. Watch this one: On November 29 2011 21:42 prplhz wrote: [/u][/u]@annul If you went through all profiles, and you are possibly among the people who thinks that the mods wrote my nick in a clue when I have a profile? Why are you going for zeks over me, if your only reason to go for zeks is because he allegedly has been clued when you think that I have been clued too? This doesn't make any sense to me. You have no idea how clues work this game. Another host hosted another game in another year and clues worked in one way back then, but you do not know how clues work in this game yet. Why are you willing to bet your life against somebody else's just based on clues? You are not, and you know that it will never ever be used against you because in the end you do not have the power to make such a deal. You don't have enough town pull to get yourself lynched lol. Instead you are WIFOMing and making sure that we have nothing to read you on because you base your lynches on a hello kitty puppet. Prpl complains that annul is using what happened in another game to justify his stance on clues, but look at how he responds to sandro: On November 30 2011 05:12 prplhz wrote: No. Read what I write. I said that Palmar was a bad lynch as long as I wasn't sure that BloodyC0bbler was town and as long as I wasn't sure that Palmar was scum. Then I read through BloodyC0bbler's posts and I came to the conclusion that he is most likely town. Also, Palmar has been acting extremely weird since then and I think that he is scum, so I am voting him. Your logic is terrible. You didn't lynch wherebugsgo in Mini Mafia X because "he didn't attack your credibility" which was an insane idea you just couldn't let go of. You are making just as much sense right now as you were in Mini Mafia X and you are putting just as much effort into this game, and I have learned never to listen to you when that happens. I can't prove my innocence to you right now 'cause you are not making a case against me, and I doubt that you are letting go of your insane idea that my day1 was scum, even though you can't tell me why. Are you saying that BloodyC0bbler is scum? Are you saying that how Palmar has been playing, since the post where I told people not to get ahead of themselves and vote Palmar without considering our situation, has been very much like you know townie Palmar? Has it been townie at all? He is giving us no information, nothing but emotional speeches trying to make us feel guilty like wherebugsgo did to me in Mini Mafia X, and OMGUS against BloodyC0bbler as he did against Ace. BAM He uses a DIFFERENT GAME to say that sandro's logic IN THIS GAME is terrible. uhh herp derp? How the fuck does sandro's play in Mini X have any bearing on what he is doing here? If I were town and playing in sandro's position I probably would've done the exact same thing sandro did. You can't accuse someone else of bad logic because they're using another game to justify themselves and turn around and do the same thing yourself. On November 30 2011 21:21 prplhz wrote: Okay I go to bed 2.5 hours before deadline and then suddenly everybody piles votes on me based on what? According to one of the people screaming for my lynch there wasn't even a case on me. This was based purely on the fact that Palmar, wherebugsgo and sandroba all suddenly decided to yell at me and they never wrote anything even though I repeatedly asked them to. There was a layabout analysis but it was pretty terrible and wherebugsgo also acknowledges this when he totally forgets about it two pages after it happened. Then people jump me because I've gone to bed. There was no dedicated case because 1. Sandro and I were busy trying to get xtfftc to use his brain and stop voting supersoft 2. The BC+Palmar issue was exploding in front of us 3. People kept going on and on about zeks being lynched over clues 4. I had to defend myself because Ace is an idiot 5. decon was a scummy fucker who I thought deserved a case You were relegated to the side for a bit. Then, layabout posted an excellent case on you here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285690¤tpage=178#3547 There was a layabout analysis but it was pretty terrible and wherebugsgo also acknowledges this when he totally forgets about it two pages after it happened You claim I called it bad by virtue of ignoring it (ROFL WTF?!) This is one of the biggest stretches I have ever seen anyone make. I thought that analysis was great, in fact, I think layabout has been making the most sense out of almost everyone in this game. I even say this: On November 30 2011 09:49 wherebugsgo wrote: BC won't be dying today. Neither Palmar nor BC will die. Currently prpl is the best second choice candidate for lynch. Mere minutes after layabout posted that case! If I thought the case was terrible why wouldn't I tell layabout to stop being dumb? You really think I call cases bad by ignoring them? rofl I can't believe you would actually even consider making that point unless you were scum. On November 30 2011 21:26 prplhz wrote: How is his play pro-town, he is posting a list of people who will 100% be shot tonight for obvious reasons, and then he is trying to cram in a bunch of other people with hardly any reasons for why they should be killed. He is straight up lying about me being on that list based on analysis, because he has never posted any analysis of me other than "u scum", but that doesn't really count now does it? Yeah, I listed you there because of: 1. analysis that other players have written, though no one other than layabout posted DEDICATED analysis. Everyone has been analyzing you, you don't have to post a text wall to call it analysis. 2. analysis that I myself have done but have not written due to either not having enough time or having had to deal with the derp mess of town/scum yesterday On November 30 2011 21:51 prplhz wrote: And can you tell me why I am scummy? I filtered you and all you say is "because I voted Palmar", but a lot of people voted Palmar, are they all scummy? What makes me especially scummy? Before I voted for Palmar I said that in order for anyone to vote for Palmar two premises had to be fulfilled: Palmar had to be more scummy and BloodyC0bbler had to be more townie. Subsequently, Palmar acted very weird with his martyr poem and his OMGUSing all around, and I reread BloodyC0bbler's filter and I couldn't find anything that made me think that he was scum. I thought that it was important to take a stand in the entire Palmar/BloodyC0bbler thishitng and I voted for Palmar just for these reasons. Do you think I predicted Palmar's behavior would turn shit and I just put up the premises before he did because I'm an evil genius? wherebugsgo can confirm that I'm not a genius, even though it seems like he'd call me a genius any day just to get people to listen to whatever he is pushing just this moment. Your play is way more scummy than me, no analysis, no logic, just spouting random nonsense while lurking. Tell me: what the fuck? At this point look at how prpl is reacting. He knows he's doomed, he's just flailing around and every time his arms hit someone he calls them scum. He also makes sure that in every other line he says something about me or Palmar or sandro being untrustworthy/scum. rofl. On November 30 2011 22:53 prplhz wrote: I don't think that any of those things point at you being less scum. I noticed last game that wherebugsgo loved telling me about his scum meta and how it didn't fit how he was playing. annul called out zeks. you yelled at people not to vote Palmar, but you voted BloodyC0bbler who I think is the most townie guy in this game. I have no idea what this "I didn't get sheriff" fits in anywhere. ROFL You want to know why I didn't want to elect a vet this game? Because last game I played, a vet fucked everything up for me. I had scum team identified day2 and I persistently pushed my read but a certain vet refused to listen to me all game long and we ended up losing on day4. I didn't want anybody in office who wouldn't give a shit about what I think. You wanna know what's ironic? You're not gonna die this game because of analysis. Instead, you're going to die this game because you're a liar and a hypocrite. | ||
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On December 01 2011 04:36 AmericanUmlaut wrote: I know that I'm unknown around here and not actually worthy of being responded to, but why THE HELL am I still in that list? My votes were in good faith and didn't take events immediately before the end of the day into account because I had IRL things going on that kept me from the game. My earlier statement about my dad travelling from the States, Thanksgiving and a flooded kitchen were not exaggerations. WBG, please either post an analysis of why you think a vig should waste a shot on me or take me off your list. So far your entire analysis of my play seems to be that I am "useless". You realize that that condemns a pretty large group in this game, right? I apologize for being afk for so long, I would have preferred to be here for the entire thing and I obviously wish I could have seen the last-second mass scum switch and responded, but when I've been active I've been doing my very best to make posts that are worthwhile. I'm trying to help get anti-town players shot or lynched and I'm trying to learn to read scum tells by watching the rest of you; this is a complicated game to learn, but I'm contributing as well as I can. you're also one of the only players in the game to have voted both me and Palmar. yeah, that's unlucky if you're town, but honestly if you hadn't sheeped and if scum hadn't done that massive voteswitch you wouldn't be on that list. There are only about 18 players right now who fit the bill of being scum to me. Obviously it's still really early in the game, so we can't expect to have caught all 15 remaining scum. However, I am pretty confident we actually do have most of them. I'm not going to listen to any arguments about why you should or should not be on that list until the flips come in at 7 pm PST tonight. | ||
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On December 01 2011 04:26 risk.nuke wrote: omg sorry I pressed edit instead of quote goodbye =( | ||
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annul
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that is some epic analysis on prplhz. yeah prplhz is an ez lynch tomorrow for sure. | ||
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