Golds gone - good.

Maps taken out but xfire still in? Bad.

New map? Can't judge yet, but I get DQ chills out of it. That's not good. Backdoor exps, specially with rocks, tend to always harm zerg the most. I don't understand rocks at 4th/5th either. Suppose this affects pvz - toss has hard time FFE'ing due to wide nat - zerg can't take fast 3rd. Can't see why rocks would really affect other matchups too much.

KevinIX

United States2472 Posts

October 27 2011 22:51 GMT

#242

I don't know if I agree with losing the golds. :\

Doko

Argentina1737 Posts

October 27 2011 22:55 GMT

#243

Calm before the storm looks EXTREMELY zerg unfriendly or am I misjudging the width of those ground paths? (on top of the free 3rd)

Adreme

United States5574 Posts

October 27 2011 23:00 GMT

#244

On October 28 2011 07:55 Doko wrote:
Calm before the storm looks EXTREMELY zerg unfriendly or am I misjudging the width of those ground paths? (on top of the free 3rd)

The free 3rd is gonna make PvZ ugly for Zerg which was the main reason every zerg vetoed the new Terminus.

Inside.Out

Canada569 Posts

October 27 2011 23:05 GMT

#245

awwww I wanted to see Isle in the Sky, that maps so cool

RoyaleBrainSlug

United States295 Posts

October 27 2011 23:06 GMT

#246

I really wish some map makers would experiment more with their maps rather than for the most part making relatively generic maps that have shown up thus far. Perhaps a map that has a short rush distance, long push distance. Paths only certain units can move through (e.g. smaller units). 3 player maps aren't seen very often. These kinds of maps can add certain dynamics, such as forcing players to develop strategies not only for their opponent but also for the map.

GinDo

3327 Posts

October 27 2011 23:15 GMT

#247

On October 28 2011 07:48 Ouga wrote:
Golds gone - good.

Maps taken out but xfire still in? Bad.

New map? Can't judge yet, but I get DQ chills out of it. That's not good. Backdoor exps, specially with rocks, tend to always harm zerg the most. I don't understand rocks at 4th/5th either. Suppose this affects pvz - toss has hard time FFE'ing due to wide nat - zerg can't take fast 3rd. Can't see why rocks would really affect other matchups too much.

Last I check CF is pretty balanced. Possibly Zerg favored.

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/maps/421
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/maps/421

danson

United States689 Posts

October 27 2011 23:15 GMT

#248

calm before the WAT THE FUCK IS THAT.

my gawd that map looks completely terrible, but then again ive never seen pro level play on a map like this, so i guess it will be interesting.

i would be scared as fuck as a zerg on the map if playing a terran who knew how to make a ton of missle turrets.

and zvp looks like a nigtmare too.

cant wait!

Namu

United States826 Posts

October 27 2011 23:17 GMT

#249

Seriously, cross positions only on antiga?
Feel like that'll be really boring if every game is cross positions..
Gold bases gone sounds like a good idea though.

Telcontar

United Kingdom16710 Posts

October 27 2011 23:29 GMT

#250

On October 28 2011 07:08 Amlitzer wrote:

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No because Crevasse had no rock at the in base allowing you to FE, and it also had an enriched gas rather than a regular one. Also, your line of reasoning does not make any sense. "It will be too much like an existing map which is not even played anymore so it's bad". So I guess we can't have rocks at the third expo anymore because TA did that first? There is also a lot more into what made Crevasse unique besides the in base expansion; like the double wide ramp with debris, and the destructible debris that opened up the middle, and etc.

You should note that the picture of the new map in the OP is the outdated version. There's a pic of the updated one on page 4~5. It has no rocks at the back natural.

chocopaw

2072 Posts

October 27 2011 23:40 GMT

#251

The gold change is really interesting, I'm very curious to see how it will play out.
And although it looks awesome of course I still am no fan of redesigning Bel'Shir Beach, the most beautiful map there is. =(

unit

United States2621 Posts

October 27 2011 23:42 GMT

#252

On October 28 2011 02:07 GTR wrote:
should have removed crossfire instead of xnf but w/e.

agreed, crossfire had its run

that said, the new map looks amazing
and the new belshir beach is epic i love the idea of changing the tileset to reflect the season :D i hope they do this with multiple maps over the course of time its just an awesome idea

Zealot Lord

Hong Kong744 Posts

October 27 2011 23:51 GMT

#253

I think the removal of gold bases will really help some of the balance imo; not just for TvX, but also ZvP - way too many games I've seen where the zerg gets a quick gold and the protoss is forced to respond with an asap attack (ie all-in), it just makes for bad games because they rarely ever become back and forth macro games.

Mobius_1

United Kingdom2763 Posts

October 28 2011 00:02 GMT

#254

Can't wait for GSL Christmas. I bet the critter will get replaced with Santa Claus and trees will have baubles on them.

But seriously, nice changes to the map pool. You can feel the GSL team are putting in the effort to create better, more spectacular, more balanced and more competitive ESPORTS.

MonkSEA

Australia1227 Posts

October 28 2011 00:06 GMT

#255

On October 28 2011 08:42 unit wrote:

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As a zerg I'd rather play on Crossfire then XNF. XNF is like 3 siege hops to your opponent, it's a pretty short map, while Crossfire has so many corridors to counter attack. Muta play is pretty powerful on the map as well.

Ignight

United States14 Posts

October 28 2011 00:30 GMT

#256

Cool + good changes. That calm before the storm map looks crazy. Can't wait to see how it plays

stokes17

United States1411 Posts

October 28 2011 00:32 GMT

#257

So belshir BEACH is now a snow map?

Blizzard Beach anybody???

Amlitzer

United States471 Posts

October 28 2011 00:33 GMT

#258

On October 28 2011 08:29 Telcontar wrote:

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You should note that the picture of the new map in the OP is the outdated version. There's a pic of the updated one on page 4~5. It has no rocks at the back natural.

Indeed you are right, I did comb through ever page so I missed that. If they are going to keep the double gas, then they really need to reposition one of the gas. Pros don't like it when the gas are in between the minerals like that, because it's a huge hassle for them to put workers back into the gas after they pull all their workers when they get harassed. Personally, I think the best example of an in base expansion is the ESV map Nemesis by prodiG. The map has LoS blockers with a no build area that prevents the expo from being entirely "free".

On October 28 2011 08:06 RoyaleBrainSlug wrote:
I really wish some map makers would experiment more with their maps rather than for the most part making relatively generic maps that have shown up thus far. Perhaps a map that has a short rush distance, long push distance. Paths only certain units can move through (e.g. smaller units). 3 player maps aren't seen very often. These kinds of maps can add certain dynamics, such as forcing players to develop strategies not only for their opponent but also for the map.

It's because the pros don't like it when map makers create maps that they actually have to practice on. Things will stay this way in till tournaments stop using so many ladder maps in their map pool.