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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
On October 10 2011 04:59 risk.nuke wrote: 2 hours left and no evidence has been presented against sevryn by dropbear and wbg, time to lynch wbg No. vote DropBear. ##Unvote Sevyrn ##Vote DropBear | ||
Nisani201
United States1400 Posts
Hold on... | ||
Nisani201
United States1400 Posts
Sevyrn begins by voting NC, he simply defends it but doesn't comment on anything else going on in the thread. Then he votes for Curu because of NC's analysis, but backs down after Mig nullifies it and calls it a "distraction case." Again, he isolates himself from everything else going on in the thread. Now he's voting for WBG, who is probably a Townie because of his logs with Jcarl. Probably voting for him because he doesn't want to vote/pressure one of his scumbuddies. Let's kill him, please. ##Vote: Sevyrn | ||
wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
@risk, I did post plenty of evidence as to why Sevryn is scum. I did it yesterday, no real need to repost it all. If you want a TL;DR it's basically: Sevryn has no fear of dying He has contributed 0. Literally nothing. He seems to have no intention of contributing anything, other than accusing me obviously He is never around at critical times. Lastly, for the second scum it's possibly Nisani. I'm fairly certain Sevryn will flip scum but even in the chance that he doesn't, town still has a good chance. In fact, it might evenbe easier because there'd be 6 players and 2 scum. DB IMO is town. Kenpachi is town. Forumite is town. Super is probable town. Risk I can't get a real read because he's new but he could very well be scum. Nisani could be scum. That's all I have. I realize I could be wrong again but we'll see how it goes. | ||
wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [nisanilog] + [18:31] <Nisani201> what do you want [18:31] <wherebugsgo___> okay so [18:31] <wherebugsgo___> there's 12 players left [18:31] <wherebugsgo___> I'm making a spreadsheet [18:31] <wherebugsgo___> I need your opinion on every player left alive [18:31] <wherebugsgo___> I talked with risk.nuke earlier btw I can send you logs if you want [18:31] <Nisani201> wat? [18:31] <Nisani201> uhhhok [18:32] <wherebugsgo___> sinani206 risk.nuke jcarlsoniv wherebugsgo Nisani201 Erandorr NotChezinu/xtfftc Kenpachi DropBear Forumite supersoft Sevryn [18:33] <wherebugsgo___> those are the players [18:33] <Nisani201> hmmm [18:33] <Nisani201> so [18:33] <Nisani201> sinani206, kenpachi, dropbear, supersoft, are all pretty much the same [18:33] <Nisani201> just label them "lurkers" [18:33] <Nisani201> or something [18:34] <Nisani201> i like the case against risk.nuke [18:34] <Nisani201> so he is possibly scum [18:34] <Nisani201> jcarl is also possibly scum [18:34] <Nisani201> WHEREBUGSGO is probably town [18:34] <Nisani201> nisani201 is obvious townie [18:34] <wherebugsgo___> lol [18:34] <wherebugsgo___> oh btw why is jcarl scum [18:35] <Nisani201> jcarl seems to be hooking on the "easy lynches" [18:35] <wherebugsgo___> k [18:35] <Nisani201> and not really posting much [18:35] <wherebugsgo___> ok [18:35] <wherebugsgo___> well [18:35] <wherebugsgo___> what if I told you [18:35] <Nisani201> i explained it in other pms [18:35] <wherebugsgo___> he had a big discussion with Mig [18:35] <wherebugsgo___> over why Incog is not scum? [18:36] <wherebugsgo___> I saw the logs between them [18:36] <wherebugsgo___> and I've been talking to jcarl [18:36] <wherebugsgo___> I really doubt he's scum [18:36] <wherebugsgo___> and if he is he's playing a baller scum game (something Curu said to me as well) [18:36] <Nisani201> didn't he defend incog in-thread as well? [18:36] <wherebugsgo___> he defended incog in thread [18:36] <wherebugsgo___> but after Mig convinced him really late in the day [18:36] <wherebugsgo___> he voted incog [18:36] <Nisani201> ok, maybe not "probable scum," but still possible [18:36] <wherebugsgo___> k [18:36] <Nisani201> you make a good point [18:36] <wherebugsgo___> you should talk to him [18:36] <wherebugsgo___> because atm [18:37] <wherebugsgo___> the confirmed townies [18:37] <wherebugsgo___> or at least [18:37] <wherebugsgo___> the very likely townies [18:37] <Nisani201> are dead? [18:37] <wherebugsgo___> yeah I was just gonna say [18:37] <wherebugsgo___> the very likely townies atm [18:37] <wherebugsgo___> aren't aware of each other [18:37] <wherebugsgo___> kenpachi just FoSed two of my strongest townreads [18:37] <wherebugsgo___> super and jcarl [18:37] <wherebugsgo___> and the problem is I think kenpachi is sure town too [18:37] <wherebugsgo___> we have 6 guys who are absolutely useless [18:38] <Nisani201> i still don't understand why kenpachi is so confirmed townish [18:38] <Nisani201> why is super a townread? he barely posts [18:39] <wherebugsgo___> yeah I don't know the reason for kenpachi being town [18:39] <wherebugsgo___> because Mig and Curu did not tell me [18:39] <wherebugsgo___> but they both told me their conclusions [18:39] <wherebugsgo___> that kenpachi is 90+ town [18:39] <wherebugsgo___> also [18:39] <wherebugsgo___> sinani and sevryn are linked [18:39] <wherebugsgo___> look in the thread [18:39] <wherebugsgo___> I believe scumteam is sinani/sev/Forumite [18:41] <Nisani201> interesting [18:42] <wherebugsgo___> anywya [18:43] <wherebugsgo___> you know that sev/DB have been trading tunneling right? [18:43] <wherebugsgo___> it either means they're both town or one is scum [18:43] <wherebugsgo___> no way they both are [18:43] <wherebugsgo___> now sinani posts a vote on DB [18:43] <wherebugsgo___> without doing anything all day [18:43] <wherebugsgo___> ties himself to sev basically [18:43] <wherebugsgo___> I talked to sevryn earlier [18:43] <wherebugsgo___> and he completely glossed over both forumite and sinani [18:43] <wherebugsgo___> I asked him straight up, what do you think of sinani and Forumite? [18:44] <wherebugsgo___> he said, "sinani is playing? wtf?" and no opinion [18:44] <wherebugsgo___> and later when I pushed it he said he has a null read on Forumite [18:44] <Nisani201> you had to push the questions? was he dodging you? [18:44] <wherebugsgo___> yes [18:45] <wherebugsgo___> I'll send you the log [18:45] <Nisani201> can you put it in a pastebin or something [18:45] <Nisani201> and not copypaste the whole thing into irc [18:45] <wherebugsgo___> it's in PM [18:45] <wherebugsgo___> look in your inbox [18:47] <Nisani201> ok [18:48] <Nisani201> ok i jsut posted in the thread, gonna do some homework now [18:48] <Nisani201> anything else? [18:49] <wherebugsgo___> okay so you think jcarl is scum and risk.nuke [18:49] <wherebugsgo___> #3? [18:49] <wherebugsgo___> forumite/sev/sinani? [18:49] <Nisani201> hmmmmmm [18:49] <wherebugsgo___> and then who all is town [18:49] <Nisani201> i would say sinani is most scummy out of those [18:49] <wherebugsgo___> who all are null [18:49] <wherebugsgo___> okay [18:50] <Nisani201> forumite and sevyrn are null [18:50] <wherebugsgo___> k [18:50] <wherebugsgo___> DB? [18:51] <Nisani201> dropbear is in the lurker list, so as with all lurkers I'm leaning scum on him [18:51] <wherebugsgo___> ok [18:51] <wherebugsgo___> so your town reads=super me erandorr [18:51] <wherebugsgo___> what is xt [18:51] <wherebugsgo___> scummy? [18:51] <Nisani201> I dunno, i just unvoted him [18:51] <wherebugsgo___> null then [18:52] <Nisani201> yeah [18:52] <wherebugsgo___> kenpachi [18:52] <Nisani201> kenpachi is also lurker list, same as dropbear [18:52] <wherebugsgo___> okay [18:52] <wherebugsgo___> so you have four townies (yourself me errandor super) right? [18:52] <Nisani201> i'll probably look over xfftc [18:52] <Nisani201> to get a real read [18:52] <wherebugsgo___> then four nulls (kenpachi xt sev forumite) [18:52] <Nisani201> yeah [18:53] <wherebugsgo___> then three scummies (DB jcarl sinani) [18:53] <wherebugsgo___> and one scum (risk nuke) [18:53] <Nisani201> risk nuke is more scummy than db imo [18:53] <wherebugsgo___> yeah I listed that [18:53] <wherebugsgo___> you think DB is a null instead? [18:53] <Nisani201> oh i see [18:53] <Nisani201> nvmd [18:54] <wherebugsgo___> kk [18:54] <wherebugsgo___> I got it good? [18:54] <Nisani201> db is null but leaning scum [18:54] <wherebugsgo___> okay [18:54] <wherebugsgo___> but jcarl is worse? [18:54] <wherebugsgo___> or better [18:54] <Nisani201> jcarl is worse [18:54] <wherebugsgo___> k [18:54] <wherebugsgo___> alright [18:54] <wherebugsgo___> cool ty nisani [18:54] <wherebugsgo___> I'll PM you a link to the spreadsheet soon [18:54] <Nisani201> awesome [18:54] <Nisani201> thanks [18:54] <Nisani201> gl hf He's rather slow in providing his opinions. I clarified a lot and I was in a scramble to get information at this time, so I worked on the assumption that Nisani was town and was in a hurry to go somewhere. Looking at it now it's rather strange because Nisani doesn't provide much information to me at all. He says jcarl is probable scum but sevryn is null. He provides no real reasons for the reads he has on players. What struck me particularly odd is that he lumped lurkers into scum, but sevryn (who is /was a lurker) was null. + Show Spoiler [risknukelog] + [12:21:26 PM] wherebugsgo: hey [12:21:30 PM] wherebugsgo: you have time to discuss? [1:03:47 PM] risk.nuke: yeah [1:04:03 PM] wherebugsgo: cool cool [1:04:08 PM] wherebugsgo: what are your scumreads right now? [1:09:23 PM] risk.nuke: Honestly, I feel like I don't have a clue anymore, everyone seems suspicious but none suspicious enough to warrant a lynch [1:10:56 PM] risk.nuke: I have been really swamped and just got back, I'm currently having a look on dropbear [1:11:11 PM] wherebugsgo: okay. [1:11:18 PM] wherebugsgo: have you PMed anyone at all this game so far? [1:12:17 PM] risk.nuke: This is my first game, At first I didn't really get what do do with the pm function what to look for etc, I basicly only trusted Mig [1:13:15 PM] wherebugsgo: okay [1:13:19 PM] wherebugsgo: do you have your logs with Mig? [1:14:03 PM] risk.nuke: There are no logs, I don't think he trusted me [1:15:11 PM] risk.nuke: I haven't discussed the game with anyone privately [1:15:27 PM] wherebugsgo: okay. so you trusted Mig but never PMed him? [1:15:53 PM] risk.nuke: Yeah, is that scummy? [1:16:08 PM] wherebugsgo: I dunno, you tell me [1:16:16 PM] wherebugsgo: so you haven't received nor sent any PMs so far in this game? [1:16:20 PM] wherebugsgo: besides mine obviously [1:17:01 PM] risk.nuke: You and tnktd [1:17:13 PM] wherebugsgo: that's it? Incog never sent you anything? [1:17:24 PM] risk.nuke: Got nothing from incog [1:17:26 PM] wherebugsgo: Curu never sent you anything? [1:17:31 PM] risk.nuke: nope [1:17:33 PM] wherebugsgo: okay. [1:17:34 PM] risk.nuke: only dropbear [1:17:41 PM] wherebugsgo: you just said [1:17:48 PM] wherebugsgo: only me and tnkted messaged you [1:17:54 PM] risk.nuke: no i messeged you [1:18:04 PM] wherebugsgo: okay I'm talking [1:18:08 PM] wherebugsgo: about any sort of PM, received or sent [1:18:17 PM] wherebugsgo: which players does this encompass? [1:18:50 PM] risk.nuke: You tnktd Mig Palmar dropbear [1:19:03 PM] wherebugsgo: okay [1:19:07 PM] wherebugsgo: can you PM all your logs? [1:19:08 PM] wherebugsgo: to me [1:19:27 PM] risk.nuke: sorry? [1:19:33 PM] wherebugsgo: send me all the PMs you've received/sent [1:19:35 PM] wherebugsgo: to all these players [1:19:37 PM] wherebugsgo: to my inbox [1:19:39 PM] wherebugsgo: on TL [1:19:52 PM] risk.nuke: okey [1:19:54 PM] risk.nuke: in order? [1:20:04 PM] wherebugsgo: that'd be nice but it isn't super important [1:23:33 PM] wherebugsgo: did Palmar respond to you? [1:23:39 PM] risk.nuke: nope [1:26:31 PM] risk.nuke: that should be all of them [1:26:56 PM] wherebugsgo: okay, cool, thanks. [1:27:05 PM] wherebugsgo: have you had time to read through the thread [1:27:06 PM] wherebugsgo: ? [1:27:42 PM] risk.nuke: I'll do it noq [1:29:01 PM] risk.nuke: btw, do you get what this means? "Scamp the Mute Awkward Cow died to Liberty Launcher." [1:29:39 PM] wherebugsgo: no, I think it's just a kill flavor [1:29:53 PM] wherebugsgo: mafia killed Scamp last night and I don't think any of the rest of the flavor has any relevance to the game [1:31:22 PM] risk.nuke: Can they kill more then 1 person a night without pyro? And wth is a mute awkward cow, i don't get it, is that a role? [1:31:40 PM] wherebugsgo: yeah so basically mafia has a KP of n/2 [1:31:41 PM] wherebugsgo: rounded up [1:31:49 PM] wherebugsgo: where n=number of mafia left alive [1:32:00 PM] wherebugsgo: so if mafia has 3 members n/2 is 1.5 and round up = 2 [1:32:03 PM] wherebugsgo: so they get two kills [1:32:10 PM] risk.nuke: okey [1:32:14 PM] wherebugsgo: if we kill a mafia today with the lynch that number drops to n=2 and 2/2=1 [1:32:37 PM] wherebugsgo: a mute awkward cow is the flavor for a townie that can't PM in this game [1:32:41 PM] wherebugsgo: but appears red to DT checks [1:33:04 PM] risk.nuke: flavor? [1:33:12 PM] wherebugsgo: flavor is just like [1:33:14 PM] wherebugsgo: description [1:33:22 PM] wherebugsgo: or theme [1:33:27 PM] wherebugsgo: it has nothing to do with the actual game itself [1:33:27 PM] risk.nuke: okey [1:33:31 PM] wherebugsgo: you could call it anything you want [1:33:44 PM] wherebugsgo: in most normal games "mute awkward cow" would be "mute town miller" [1:33:57 PM] wherebugsgo: and "mute drunk demo man" would be "mute vanilla town" [1:34:59 PM] risk.nuke: Okey, [1:35:33 PM] wherebugsgo: anyway [1:36:29 PM] wherebugsgo: do you believe that I am town? [1:36:42 PM] risk.nuke: Taking a leap of faith [1:37:48 PM] risk.nuke: It just looked so dire with mig getting killed and then curu got himself modkilled [1:38:50 PM] risk.nuke: I had to do something, If you're town I can't let you belive I'm mafia, we can't afford it. [1:39:15 PM] wherebugsgo: okay. [1:39:28 PM] wherebugsgo: so I am town, indeed [1:39:36 PM] wherebugsgo: and I've confirmed myself via PM to others in the town atm [1:39:42 PM] wherebugsgo: but currently I'm pushing you in the thread. [1:39:46 PM] wherebugsgo: why should we not lynch you? [1:40:03 PM] risk.nuke: Because I'm town [1:40:27 PM] wherebugsgo: what's your role? [1:40:58 PM] risk.nuke: Drunk demoman [1:44:16 PM] wherebugsgo: okay [1:44:22 PM] wherebugsgo: so why is it [1:44:23 PM] wherebugsgo: that when you've been asked for scum reads [1:44:27 PM] wherebugsgo: you really have never had more than one? [1:44:43 PM] wherebugsgo: and they've all been town [1:47:45 PM] risk.nuke: I'm trusting you because tnktd and Mig both were sure you were town. I suspected you earlier because of your play and if you look back at it, tell me it wasn't suspicious. Tnktd got a suspect from association with you and Incognito's post 10 minutes before the guy he accuses got killed. I still can't belive he wasn't mafia [1:57:27 PM] risk.nuke: I get how I am suspicious [1:57:38 PM] wherebugsgo: right but you still have no reads [1:57:40 PM] wherebugsgo: which is a problem [1:57:47 PM] wherebugsgo: people didn't tell you why they thought I was town [1:57:49 PM] wherebugsgo: because no one believed you were town [2:03:12 PM] risk.nuke: Yes [2:13:49 PM] wherebugsgo: you were writing something? [2:14:33 PM] risk.nuke: Yeah, I've been writing and deleting quite a bit [2:14:42 PM] wherebugsgo: why is that? lol [2:14:55 PM] wherebugsgo: you should speak your mind [2:19:05 PM] risk.nuke: Just don't find the right words [2:19:09 PM] wherebugsgo: lol [2:19:12 PM] wherebugsgo: okay let me say this [2:19:19 PM] wherebugsgo: as a townie you should have no problem simply speaking your mind [2:20:09 PM] risk.nuke: and then that's exacly why I brought town to this mess [2:21:26 PM] risk.nuke: Gah just nvm [2:21:32 PM] risk.nuke: it's just not that simple [2:21:44 PM] wherebugsgo: lol what [2:21:53 PM] wherebugsgo: look town needs information [2:21:54 PM] wherebugsgo: to win this [2:22:00 PM] wherebugsgo: that's why I am talking to you right now [2:22:07 PM] risk.nuke: Yes [2:22:17 PM] wherebugsgo: okay. so what do you think of sevryn? [2:24:17 PM] risk.nuke: lurker in the forum so I got nothing, I am personally more suspicious about Jcarl and DropBear [2:24:32 PM] wherebugsgo: what do you think of Forumite? [2:25:33 PM] risk.nuke: I thought he was mafia before, shit I got scared to death when he sort of defended me in the forum [2:25:48 PM] wherebugsgo: now? [2:26:03 PM] risk.nuke: Give me a few minutes to check his posts [2:26:11 PM] wherebugsgo: sounds good [2:32:54 PM] risk.nuke: I'm neutral about him. he's scummy but then who isn't, I think I've gotten stuck in an overthink-loop (wifom) [2:33:10 PM] wherebugsgo: that's not wifom [2:33:27 PM] risk.nuke: yeah it is [2:33:28 PM] wherebugsgo: but anyway [2:33:43 PM] wherebugsgo: okay yeah I guess it is [2:33:55 PM] wherebugsgo: how did he go [2:33:58 PM] wherebugsgo: from being mafia before [2:34:01 PM] wherebugsgo: to neutral now? [2:37:21 PM] risk.nuke: he's supersuspicious [2:37:35 PM] risk.nuke: everyone I've felt that way about before have turned up blue [2:37:59 PM] risk.nuke: assuming you're blue [2:39:19 PM] wherebugsgo: I am blue [2:39:22 PM] wherebugsgo: however that's not a valid reason [2:39:31 PM] wherebugsgo: to believe that a person who was once scummy [2:39:36 PM] wherebugsgo: is no longer scummy [2:39:44 PM] wherebugsgo: plus, you never mentioned in the thread, ever, that you suspected Forumite [2:39:50 PM] wherebugsgo: why is that? [2:40:00 PM] wherebugsgo: when did you first suspect Forumite? [2:40:30 PM] risk.nuke: When he took my side in the forum [2:42:06 PM] risk.nuke: since he took my side offiicaly and said nothing to me privatly it looked like he was just interested in how it looked for other people [2:42:12 PM] risk.nuke: I was beeing used [2:42:27 PM] wherebugsgo: okay. when was this, which day? [2:42:29 PM] wherebugsgo: which post? [2:42:43 PM] wherebugsgo: and why is it you never posted a suspicion of Forumite? [2:43:34 PM] wherebugsgo: is it this: [2:43:35 PM] wherebugsgo: WBG seems determined to lynch him, which suggests risk-nuke is Town. tnkted and WBG are at the top of my scumlist at the moment for not stepping up and providing the reason why WBG must be Town, so I don´t can´t take their arguments seriously until I get a clear answer from tnkted. [2:43:52 PM] risk.nuke: I think it was before that [2:43:57 PM] risk.nuke: wait I'll try to find it [2:50:54 PM] wherebugsgo: ?? [2:55:14 PM] wherebugsgo: well? [2:55:38 PM] risk.nuke: Yes, I thought it was earlier but that's just because he was a bit anti-you [2:56:24 PM] risk.nuke: Rereading it again though i think it's very odd that he is still alive, since he claimed to be a special town role [2:56:55 PM] risk.nuke: and then asking for medic protection so he wasn't faking that to divert attention (unless he knew the medic) [2:57:37 PM] wherebugsgo: okay [2:57:43 PM] risk.nuke: anyway It's getting late [2:57:49 PM] wherebugsgo: alright [2:57:57 PM] wherebugsgo: let's talk later in this day cycle [2:58:01 PM] risk.nuke: yes [2:58:02 PM] wherebugsgo: about other players, yes? [2:58:14 PM] wherebugsgo: if you have time when you wake that would be good [2:58:22 PM] wherebugsgo: I'll still be on in 8-9 hours [2:59:22 PM] risk.nuke: Yeah timezones are a bitch, I'll see if I can reach you around 8, if i'm not there in 9 feel free to go to sleep cause then I didn't have time [2:59:31 PM] wherebugsgo: sounds good Can't really tell with this one. Risk is a new player so it makes sense for some of these things to be happening. But why would he wait so long inbetween messages? Why would he erase and reerase? Then, in the thread, why is he so bold? In PMs he's timid and careful. In the thread he just goes for it. Not sure what to pick up on, tbh with you all. If Sevryn is not scum then I'd say these two are, but I really can't see Sevryn not being scum. We'll have to pick one of these two to kill tomorrow probably. | ||
Sevryn
698 Posts
On October 10 2011 06:19 wherebugsgo wrote: Sorry for the absence; @risk, I did post plenty of evidence as to why Sevryn is scum. I did it yesterday, no real need to repost it all. If you want a TL;DR it's basically: Sevryn has no fear of dying He has contributed 0. Literally nothing. He seems to have no intention of contributing anything, other than accusing me obviously He is never around at critical times. Lastly, for the second scum it's possibly Nisani. I'm fairly certain Sevryn will flip scum but even in the chance that he doesn't, town still has a good chance. In fact, it might evenbe easier because there'd be 6 players and 2 scum. DB IMO is town. Kenpachi is town. Forumite is town. Super is probable town. Risk I can't get a real read because he's new but he could very well be scum. Nisani could be scum. That's all I have. I realize I could be wrong again but we'll see how it goes. Scum fears dieing vanilla town does not I've contributed my thoughts and reads you seem to be ignoring voting nc day one wasn't filler I wanted him lynched And the whole not being here at vital times I work a lot of evenings | ||
wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On October 10 2011 06:49 Sevryn wrote: Scum fears dieing vanilla town does not I've contributed my thoughts and reads you seem to be ignoring voting nc day one wasn't filler I wanted him lynched And the whole not being here at vital times I work a lot of evenings That's for night kills... Townies should definitely fear dying by lynch because that is, by definition, a mislynch. How the hell is a mislynch good for town? | ||
Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
Night 4 Sevryn the BLU Drunk Demoman has been lynched. | ||
Sevryn
698 Posts
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
On October 10 2011 07:03 Kurumi wrote: Night 4 Sevryn the BLU Drunk Demoman has been lynched. lol ok | ||
risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
great. Freaking wonderful. Kill two of Dropbear/Nisani/risk.nuke. | ||
supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
On October 10 2011 07:15 supersoft wrote: i was muted. DB is scum. WHY DONT YOU FUCKING CLAIM TO ME ALREADY??? you were muted aka being roleblocked? | ||
wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
risk if you're the sniper shoot DB. | ||
supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
guys i need to put some things together. claiming to me would be very helpful. | ||
Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
Supersoft, do you remember when I answered your PM with a post of my own? That was my claim. If you feel like confirming, send me a PM with what you think I claimed as. If you want my opinions on anything, add it in the PM as statements, and I´ll answer if I agree or disagree with them. Dropbear, claim to Supersoft, please? | ||
supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
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