This is just something I was thinking. If the success of DOTA 2 will harm/hamper SC2. It's like a big behemoth on the horizon. Will SC2 still have fans / viewers after people discover DOTA 2? After watching the gamescom dota 2 tournament, I was extremely disinterested in MLG and only really was interested when nada went crazy.

So will DOTA 2 sort of be the next "iteration" of esports replacing SC2? or will SC2 live on in Dota 2's shadow?

Annual championship with 1.6 million minimum prize, DOTA TV, more interesting strategies etc. As a big SC:BW fan, its obvious sc2 has failed to live up to the spectator side of SC:Bw.

Kashll

United States1117 Posts

September 02 2011 00:15 GMT

DoTA shouldn't affect SC2 much.

They both draw different fans, players, and general demographic.

Dubzex

United States6994 Posts

September 02 2011 00:16 GMT

Nope. If anything it will probably help SC2 by promoting ESPORTS in general. SC2 and DOTA2 are two very different games and genres. The only thing it might do to SC2 is take it off the pedestal of top ESPORTS game at MLG or something. Nothing really too significant.

Azera

3800 Posts

September 02 2011 00:16 GMT

Dota and SC2 are two very different games and are backed up by two very different communities as well.

prOxi.swAMi

Australia3091 Posts

September 02 2011 00:17 GMT

I don't think their markets overlap that much really - they're quite different games. I play bit of DOTA (LoL these days) on the side but play much more SC2. I think people who currently play SC2 and get DOTA 2 when it comes out will still follow and play SC2 as well.

hollabackk

118 Posts

September 02 2011 00:18 GMT

This would be like saying the new counterstrike will hurt sc2. Yes it is a new game and many people might check it out, but they really do appeal to different crowds already.

dacthehork

United States2000 Posts

September 02 2011 00:19 GMT

I think the markets actually do overlap a lot. Say even 50% of sc2 market, and everyone seeing that dota 2 is actual the "vehicle" to get behind when you have blizz taking 50% of revenue etc..

sob3k

United States7572 Posts

September 02 2011 00:19 GMT

I see no overlap as a viewer/player of both

DivinO

United States4796 Posts

September 02 2011 00:19 GMT

On September 02 2011 09:12 dacthehork wrote:
As a big SC:BW fan, its obvious sc2 has failed to live up to the spectator side of SC:Bw.

It's been one year. No offense meant but I feel like your insight on the topic is somewhat short-sighted.

Cofo

United States1388 Posts

September 02 2011 00:20 GMT

#10

It's normal to hear something like "I switched from WC3 to SC2." It wouldn't make sense to hear "I switched from SC2 to DOTA2." There's obviously some overlap there, but they're completely different games, and I find it hard to believe they'll impact each other's competitive scene in any perceivable manner.

CaptainPlatypus

United States852 Posts

September 02 2011 00:24 GMT

#11

Personally, I see no reason one can't play/watch both. SC2 takes a lot more practice time than DotA.

Then again, my DotA's been slacking off since I started playing SC2...

dacthehork

United States2000 Posts

September 02 2011 00:34 GMT

#12

mm it's interesting to see peoples thoughts, but I feel that an action RTS game is fairly similar to SC2 in terms of how it is as a spectator event. I just feel taht dota 2 will over time capture more fans, and sort of become the thing to watch, whereas sc2 will slowly be overcome with "why not this dota 2 feature" while blizzard switches focuses to titan/d3/etc

I just see a big decrease in interest in sc2 coming up, with bigger esports and other games sort of taking most of the interest share.

tyCe

Australia2542 Posts

September 02 2011 00:39 GMT

#13

Well, DotA is much worse as a spectator esport than SC2 so it should be fine. About the playerbase, I'd expect a lot of SC2 players to play DotA2 when it first comes out, at least initially.

MERLIN.

Canada546 Posts

September 02 2011 00:42 GMT

#14

On September 02 2011 09:19 DivinO wrote:

Show nested quote +

It's been one year. No offense meant but I feel like your insight on the topic is somewhat short-sighted.

lets remember where BW was after 1 year...

Playing on pingball tables for its first major lan : P

dacthehork

United States2000 Posts

September 02 2011 00:43 GMT

#15

On September 02 2011 09:39 tyCe wrote:
Well, DotA is much worse as a spectator esport than SC2 so it should be fine. About the playerbase, I'd expect a lot of SC2 players to play DotA2 when it first comes out, at least initially.

How is it worse as a spectator experience? It has an established scene in China and does get viewers even on joindota / dota commentaries, and the dota 2 tournament was rather exciting (more exciting to me than any sc2 I've seen.)

It has inbuilt DOTA TV, more replay options/support, and more developer support for tournaments (world championships)

LuckyFool

United States9015 Posts

September 02 2011 00:43 GMT

#16

I doubt dota2 will effect sc2 much at all. more casual users will stop playing sc2 possibly but that doesn't really matter much.

supernovamaniac

United States3046 Posts

September 02 2011 00:46 GMT

#17

On September 02 2011 09:42 MERLIN. wrote:

Show nested quote +

lets remember where BW was after 1 year...

Playing on pingball tables for its first televised lan : P

Fixed.

Know your stuff before making comments like that. Korea had many offline tourneys that weren't broadcasted on Television for obvious reasons (no such word as ESPORTS, nor internet broadcasting).

If anything, SC2 needs more work given the resources and materials that people can access today, compared to the old days. Look at the production value of OSL/Proleague/MSL and GSL. While OSL/Proleague/MSL has amazing production team that brings interesting intros and graphics, I fail to see such innovation in GSL production.

The only thing interesting was the 'player-announcement' at the beginning of the match, some which seemed like 'oh hey, look here. boobs'

Saechiis

Netherlands4989 Posts

September 02 2011 00:46 GMT

#18

Why are you such a troll?

Dusty

United States3359 Posts

September 02 2011 00:46 GMT

#19

DotA is fun to play but it sucks to watch, at least IMO, so I don't think it will affect the SC2 scene too much.

hyptonic

2155 Posts

September 02 2011 00:47 GMT

#20

mobas get more viewers than SC2 already.

dota2 got 1.6m~
lol got 200k~
even hon gets 25k sometimes (more than ipl2 and dreamhack)

one lol streamer averages 12000 viewers a day.

i find it much more entertaining spectating than sc2 tbh.

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