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esla_sol
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States756 Posts
September 02 2011 00:47 GMT
#21
well, the game managed to kill wc3, so it wouldnt surprise me if it hurt sc2 a bit.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
September 02 2011 00:48 GMT
#22
They're not even in the same genre. When D3 comes out it'll pull a lot of users too, but the people that watch SC2 as an esport rather than just a game are going to stick around.

tl;dr: no, this is dumb.
nttea
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Sweden4353 Posts
September 02 2011 00:49 GMT
#23
Doesn't bother me if dota2 will truly be more entertaining to watch than starcraft2 then it's a good thing, i love both games.
CharlieBrownsc
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada598 Posts
September 02 2011 00:50 GMT
#24
I'm not going to play dota2

Vanilla-map MOBA can only last so long
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nekuodah
Profile Joined August 2010
England2409 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-02 00:56:48
September 02 2011 00:56 GMT
#25
Ill watch both, dont see any conflict really. The more high profile games getting competitive and spreading esports the better.
lbmaian
Profile Joined December 2010
United States689 Posts
September 02 2011 00:56 GMT
#26
SC2 will probably continue rising in popularity for another year or so due to the expansions, assuming Blizzard doesn't screw them up. If Blizzard does REALLY well, I can see SC2 lasting as long as BW so far, since SC2 will only enter life support around 2014-15 (after the 2nd expansion).

I enjoy watching BW/SC2 more than LoL/HoN, but I can get the appeal of LoL/HoN. I just find that the endings of DoTA-like games to far less climactic - there's less tension than in BW/SC2.
DomiNater
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States527 Posts
September 02 2011 00:59 GMT
#27
I have never watched a LoL or Dota live stream for more than 2 minutes. I have no idea what the hell is going in on and frankly I'm not really interested in those types of games. Maybe I'm just dedicated to RTS games though...
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gds
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Iceland1391 Posts
September 02 2011 01:01 GMT
#28
Can someone advice me a good VOD of DOTA2 or DOTA to watch please, like a final of a big event or something quite spectacular?
I've never saw that game (maybe few seconds here and there), know almsot nothing about it and i want to deflower my eyes with something good if possible.
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
September 02 2011 01:03 GMT
#29
Lots of people play both sc2 and LoL, including pros. Lots of people watch both sc2 and lol. I'm sure dota2 and sc2 can coexist very well.
jdseemoreglass
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3773 Posts
September 02 2011 01:05 GMT
#30
I've never even played or seen dota in my life, and I'm a huge gamer. Actually, I don't know any other gamers who even play the game... So at this time it's impossible for me to consider it competition with SC2.

You can give stats if you want, I'm just saying from personal experience the game is really nonexistent for me.
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Hipsv
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
135 Posts
September 02 2011 01:08 GMT
#31
On September 02 2011 09:47 hyptonic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2011 09:39 tyCe wrote:
Well, DotA is much worse as a spectator esport than SC2 so it should be fine. About the playerbase, I'd expect a lot of SC2 players to play DotA2 when it first comes out, at least initially.



mobas get more viewers than SC2 already.

dota2 got 1.6m~
lol got 200k~
even hon gets 25k sometimes (more than ipl2 and dreamhack)

one lol streamer averages 12000 viewers a day.

i find it much more entertaining spectating than sc2 tbh.


Its a difference of opinions, If you had no idea what either one was about, I figure it would be significantly easier to understand what SC2 was about. MOBA's are complicated team games that rely on a bunch of different mechanics. For example someone who doesn't know might see a tank character with a 2/10/20 record in a game and think they are garbage when they are dying a lot even though they are doing amazing and winning the game for their team, Where as if someone is losing their bases its pretty obvious that they are losing in sc2.
dacthehork
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2000 Posts
September 02 2011 01:09 GMT
#32
On September 02 2011 10:01 gds wrote:
Can someone advice me a good VOD of DOTA2 or DOTA to watch please, like a final of a big event or something quite spectacular?
I've never saw that game (maybe few seconds here and there), know almsot nothing about it and i want to deflower my eyes with something good if possible.



watch in HD
Warturtle - DOTA 2 is KING
Oreo7
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1647 Posts
September 02 2011 01:19 GMT
#33
I'm not too worried, I think sc2 will still grow world wide and we still have Korea which will eventually make the transition too. DoTA didn't kill BW in Skorea last time around.

I also don't think dota games can draw new casual viewers well at all, I think sc2 is funner to watch if you're an utter noob. I also think sc2 is at the same time the deeper game and is very rewarding the more skill you have so yeah.

Dota 2 got 1.6m because it was the first time it was unveiled, LoL because of riot promotion and because it's F2P.
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jimbob615
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Uruguay455 Posts
September 02 2011 01:41 GMT
#34
dota is so boring to watch as a neutral... it is already dead. its like cs 1.6. i'll admit i loved watching cs 1.6 back in the day, but its because i played. to a neutral its boring as hell. same as this game.

sc2 has potential to be big because even a complete noob can relate to big armies colliding with eachother and watching huge battles. its like watching a war. dota is just fantasy crap which people cannot relate to at all without being a hardcore player.
Engore
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1916 Posts
September 02 2011 01:45 GMT
#35
On September 02 2011 09:47 hyptonic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2011 09:39 tyCe wrote:
Well, DotA is much worse as a spectator esport than SC2 so it should be fine. About the playerbase, I'd expect a lot of SC2 players to play DotA2 when it first comes out, at least initially.



mobas get more viewers than SC2 already.

dota2 got 1.6m~
lol got 200k~
even hon gets 25k sometimes (more than ipl2 and dreamhack)

one lol streamer averages 12000 viewers a day.

i find it much more entertaining spectating than sc2 tbh.


That's also the first dota 2 tournament ever. LoL doesn't have widely streamed tournaments nor does HoN. While sc2 has tons of content everywhere. Small cups every week/weekend, major tournaments at least twice a month and tons of high level daily streamers.

I can't see Dota 2 harping on sc2 that much. Obviously i don't know anything about the community in dota or dota 2 but they don't have Day[9] so gg no re.
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dacthehork
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2000 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-02 01:50:04
September 02 2011 01:49 GMT
#36
On September 02 2011 10:45 Engore wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2011 09:47 hyptonic wrote:
On September 02 2011 09:39 tyCe wrote:
Well, DotA is much worse as a spectator esport than SC2 so it should be fine. About the playerbase, I'd expect a lot of SC2 players to play DotA2 when it first comes out, at least initially.



mobas get more viewers than SC2 already.

dota2 got 1.6m~
lol got 200k~
even hon gets 25k sometimes (more than ipl2 and dreamhack)

one lol streamer averages 12000 viewers a day.

i find it much more entertaining spectating than sc2 tbh.


That's also the first dota 2 tournament ever. LoL doesn't have widely streamed tournaments nor does HoN. While sc2 has tons of content everywhere. Small cups every week/weekend, major tournaments at least twice a month and tons of high level daily streamers.

I can't see Dota 2 harping on sc2 that much. Obviously i don't know anything about the community in dota or dota 2 but they don't have Day[9] so gg no re.


well the numbers are not confirmed, and valve is having a hard time even calculating it. It could have been as high as 4 million.. They set up 3 servers in China alone to stream it out.
Warturtle - DOTA 2 is KING
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
September 02 2011 01:58 GMT
#37
Different games with different audiences and different gameplay. They definitively don't need to clash in any way.

This is like asking if SC2 will survive MvC3 AE. Its an useless question.
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
Sandro
Profile Joined April 2011
897 Posts
September 02 2011 02:04 GMT
#38
No I don't think so, and this blog seems to me like a thinly veiled My game vs your game thread.

Maybe you should just stick to the DOTA forum OP.
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-02 02:05:41
September 02 2011 02:04 GMT
#39
SC2 will definitely survive - and if Dota 2 takes over the "mainstream esport", even better.

I'd prefer SC2 having a niche dedicated fanbase, just enough for it to be sustainable as an esport, at least in Korea. It's much more enjoyable being a part of such a community than what it is (becoming) now.

Seriously fuck mass popularity. Nothing good ever came out of it.
Geovu
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Estonia1344 Posts
September 02 2011 02:12 GMT
#40
On September 02 2011 10:09 dacthehork wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2011 10:01 gds wrote:
Can someone advice me a good VOD of DOTA2 or DOTA to watch please, like a final of a big event or something quite spectacular?
I've never saw that game (maybe few seconds here and there), know almsot nothing about it and i want to deflower my eyes with something good if possible.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SOfhXi8pCk watch in HD

My Experience:

-Nearly 10 minutes selecting characters
-Horrible mics for the casters, the clipping hurt my ears so bad I have to turn the volume way down to the point where I can't hear anything.
-Virtually no team colors, can't tell wtf is going on in battles b/c of thiss
-The way everyone moves their characters just pisses me off. It's everyone is a mentally retarded old guy on speed walking in circles, back and forth, jerking around everywhere.
-The map is too big to tell what is fucking going on
-It is over a fucking hour long. And not in a good way, like Rain vs Boxer.

If that's the best you can do then you have confirmed my suspicion: The game is utter shit to watch.


On a different note tho: How/why are the graphics so cool looking? I thought dota ran through Warcraft III, which obviously has fairly dated graphics and no widescreen support. I'm a noob, don't laugh at me :o
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