BC's Arkham Asylum - Page 75

youngminii

Australia7514 Posts

July 22 2011 01:49 GMT

#1481

must've missed mig's analysis

so what you're saying is, your open pm circle that has every possibility to be infiltrated (and was at one point by redFF) were discussing lynch targets with each other and one guy pointed out a gem in mig's analysis of a nisani based on 3 of his posts which are actually extremely passive?

which part is the gem? i want to know so i can understand this analysis a little better, right now to me it looks like mig is doing a crapshoot into the list of lurkers, nisani is not 'ridiculously scummy', he's just as scummy as every other lurker in this game

deconduo

Ireland4122 Posts

July 22 2011 01:55 GMT

#1482

I'm not nameclaiming, especially not to Palmar. If a DT wants to check me and claim to me afterwards then they can do that.

Don't bother lynching ROL, Batman is killing him tonight.

Mig is mafia, ignore his analysis. I'd put money on nisani being town because of it.

Nisani201

United States1400 Posts

July 22 2011 02:05 GMT

#1483

MENTLEGEN

Allow me to bring your attention to an interesting young chap that goes by the name of youngminii.

This man is SCUM! And let me tell you why:

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On July 18 2011 20:46 youngminii wrote:
what is with you guys and saying "i'm going to say something scummy" or "i might slip up later and say scummy stuff"
that's a giant scumtell in my eyes, honestly

voting creamybutter

It's a scumslip, and possibly a point for FoS, but not a vote. It's possibly that he was trying to start an early bandwagon.

On July 18 2011 20:49 youngminii wrote:
deconduo why are you fosing RoL but not voting him?
are you trying to hide your voting patterns? are you just faking pressure against a scum buddy?

if you're scumhunting there's absolutely no reason why you'd say "big fos on you" without a vote to back it up, unless you already had a vote somewhere else

suspicious suspicious

This is very similar to his vote against CB. It gives me the feeling that he wants to use the prominence of the vote to stir up chaos on the town. FoS is not voting, there's a clear difference.

On July 18 2011 21:31 youngminii wrote:
ok halt

i'm voting for mig based on a very short pm conversation i had with him which lasted 3 pms in total

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that's just dumb

Another vote that is based on minimal evidence. In fact, the word "evidence" is an overstatement. Mig actually made a good point in the PM, and YM responds to it with an FoS and a vote. Extremely scummy.

On July 18 2011 21:46 youngminii wrote:
90% of pm games i've played town got destroyed because they relied on pms too much, there's a reason people don't like pm games

you cannot comment on pm games if you haven't played them, yes they may seem good for town on paper but if you form a pm circle with just one mafia then you're just absolutely screwed

mig should be good enough to know this, if a newer player had said what he pm'd me i'd just dismiss it as a newbie thing but there's no way an experienced player would ever say something like that

The point he makes about getting scum in a PM circle is interesting but I still don't like how he's downplaying PM's. He is completely eliminating the possibility that the town can use PMs as a powerful weapon in scumhunting. This also contradicts his previous post about how he was voting for Mig based on the PM; here he is saying that PM ruins games, but in the previous post he uses it as total evidence.

On July 18 2011 22:25 youngminii wrote:
ok so

Coagulation is known for posting many one-liner posts that are ridiculously offensive and to the point. He usually catches a lot of scum but people ignore his posts because of their one lined nature. I don't know why he posted a list but I can't see an entire list like that being scummy. The type of list I dislike are the 'zodiac lists' that have a few vets and a wonky plan surrounding the list.

Now the people that are trying to get rid of Coag are, as Nazgul said, newbie town or scum trying to snipe him for the aforementioned reason.

RoL and Kurumi are not newbie town. Going by this logic, they may be trying to snipe Coag.

So far RoL's only (of value) post has been the one where he votes Coag. Kurumi has been going Chezinu style only with TF2 references. His vote for Coag was a pure bandwagon vote imo.

This logic makes no sense and only serves to mislead the town.

On July 19 2011 05:31 youngminii wrote:

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WHY
WHY

WHY do you people insist on taking everything to PMs? That's the BIGGEST scumtell in this entire game. That last sentence of yours literally translates into "I don't want anyone to see what I write, come talk to me in private"

palmar's got a pretty good point too, that's 2 scumtells

It's not a scumtell. If someone slips in PM then the PM partner will likely point it out to the rest of us.

On July 19 2011 22:32 youngminii wrote:

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I have a hunch that redFF is innocent. I have a hunch, that like supersoft, town is just bandwagoning on a bad townie. Why? Well because they're the easiest people to lynch, they look guilty so they lynch him. Meanwhile the really guilty guys get away hands clean.

Instead of spending your time going against redFF or supersoft, PLEASE take a look at RoL. He has done NOTHING and has lurked. Seriously, try and remember this:

RoL is the guy that hosted a game with a mechanic to punish lurkers.

Some of you guys want to policy lynch supersoft. Isn't lynching RoL the same? A policy lynch for lurking when he apparently 'hates' lurking?

disclaimer: whether or not supersoft/redff will flip green or red doesn't matter to me, the fact is i believe rol is scummier than both of them put together multiplied by the distance of the earth to the moon

This post is golden. At the beginning he lightly defended redFF.

Now, I know what you're thinking. "But Nisani, my good Townie friend! Didn't you also defend redFF?" I did, but the difference is that youngminii did it lightly. That way, if redFF were to die and flip scum, youngminii wouldn't be under suspicion because people might not notice the post. I was very straight up with my defense of redFF.

On July 20 2011 02:20 youngminii wrote:
lynching anyone at this point gives no information about anyone

although lynching rol will show us who tried to specifically save him and gives lurkers a reason to be SCARED

The logic in this post is just plain wrong. Lynching gives loads of information. STFU.

On July 20 2011 02:39 youngminii wrote:
i now believe redff is town

i honestly can't see any scum being THAT bad
he's so indecisive and posts so many one liners
i just, i don't think i've ever seen scum play like that, it just doesn't make sense

it looks more like drazerk back in his first game or two when he used to martyr himself for no reason

VOTE ROL
SCUM

Flawed logic once again. You are opening the doors for all scum to play like shit, and allowing them to live because of how bad they are.

On July 21 2011 14:08 youngminii wrote:
I visited all QTs with one computer every time. I did not tell anyone.

As for what I know about notasmurf's doings:

He put a lot of effort into Operation Honeypot. Basically his stance is this:

Jackal and I are town.
Mig and/or Mr. Wiggles are scum.

He was part of at least 2 pm groups, one which is now defunct.
He was aware of at least another 2 pm groups.

He played everything pretty close to the chest until near the end, then he said he'd probably die that night, gave the key to Kav, myself and I THINK jackal for the encrypted message (gotta wait for jackal to confirm I guess).

That's about all I was told.

The facts of Operation Honeypot were already stated. This was posted before suspicion was placed on youngminii so there is no point in giving yourself town cred-- unless you're scum.

On July 22 2011 03:55 youngminii wrote:
how fucking obvious is it that palmar is 3rd party

oh my GOD

This post makes no sense. What evidence do you have to prove that Lord Palmar (blessed be he) is 3rd party?

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Thus concludes my analysis against youngminii. Now go vote for him. kthxbai

bumatlarge

United States4567 Posts

July 22 2011 02:08 GMT

#1484

On July 22 2011 10:55 deconduo wrote:
I'm not nameclaiming, especially not to Palmar. If a DT wants to check me and claim to me afterwards then they can do that.

Don't bother lynching ROL, Batman is killing him tonight.

Mig is mafia, ignore his analysis. I'd put money on nisani being town because of it.

Oh mig is mafia? Elaborate. I'm putting my vote on VE, because I'm still not sure why he is alive.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

July 22 2011 02:08 GMT

#1485

I have said like 50 times that the honeypot data can be manipulated. Is no one willing to actually test it out themselves to verify that it is accurate? I even did it in your QT that you created and were watching YM. Why not just put some effort into actually testing it yourselves to see if I am telling the truth? If the data can be verified then lynch me/wiggles easy.

Decon I am sure you figured out half the scum team and all the third partys from day 1 clues. Have you read any of the other clue games? Most games no one is even caught by the clues..... You did not catch everyone in the game from day 1 clues lol. The clues are meant to be ridiculously vague at the start of the game just so things like that don't happen.

So as far as I am concerned the points against me are honeypot - which the data is not accurate, decons clue which is completely nonsensical because there is 0 chance you are catching people from day 1 clues. And then the fact that I voted VE. Yea I voted VE but I made a strong case against red before (when it would have made no sense for the mafia to do so) and then I gave my reasons for switching to VE, which I still think were correct. And you want to lynch me for VE when I made a good case for why I voted him when people like nisani and YM not only did not vote red but actively defended him lol......

Also YM your reasoning towards palmar is so awful its hilarious. You honestly think CB is third party? Use some common sense. Do you think a third party would fake claim II to VE? I mean what purpose would that possibly serve? And it would put himself hugely at risk. Almost certainly CB is II, there is about a 0% chance he is 3rd party. RoL on the other hand is almost guaranteed 3rd party. Because there is no reason for mafia to lie about being medic protected and mafia would not have survived a shot last night. RoL is a third party who was shot and tried to claim he was protected in case a vig claimed shooting him.

youngminii

Australia7514 Posts

July 22 2011 02:12 GMT

#1486

nisani you just took a bunch of my posts out of context then spun it into something damning using tactics you'd see from foxnews, i don't know why you're trying to suck up to palmar but it irks me

deconduo

Ireland4122 Posts

July 22 2011 02:13 GMT

#1487

On July 22 2011 11:05 Nisani201 wrote:
MENTLEGEN

Allow me to bring your attention to an interesting young chap that goes by the name of youngminii.

This man is SCUM! And let me tell you why:

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It's a scumslip, and possibly a point for FoS, but not a vote. It's possibly that he was trying to start an early bandwagon.

This is very similar to his vote against CB. It gives me the feeling that he wants to use the prominence of the vote to stir up chaos on the town. FoS is not voting, there's a clear difference.

On July 18 2011 21:31 youngminii wrote:
ok halt

i'm voting for mig based on a very short pm conversation i had with him which lasted 3 pms in total

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that's just dumb

This logic makes no sense and only serves to mislead the town.

On July 19 2011 05:31 youngminii wrote:

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It's not a scumtell. If someone slips in PM then the PM partner will likely point it out to the rest of us.

On July 19 2011 22:32 youngminii wrote:

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The logic in this post is just plain wrong. Lynching gives loads of information. STFU.

Flawed logic once again. You are opening the doors for all scum to play like shit, and allowing them to live because of how bad they are.

The facts of Operation Honeypot were already stated. This was posted before suspicion was placed on youngminii so there is no point in giving yourself town cred-- unless you're scum.

On July 22 2011 03:55 youngminii wrote:
how fucking obvious is it that palmar is 3rd party

oh my GOD

This post makes no sense. What evidence do you have to prove that Lord Palmar (blessed be he) is 3rd party?

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Thus concludes my analysis against youngminii. Now go vote for him. kthxbai

YM is Raas Al Ghul, not mafia.

youngminii

Australia7514 Posts

July 22 2011 02:14 GMT

#1488

oh sorry you're right, i mixed up II with third party, oh god i completely mixed them up holy shit
for a moment there i thought the CB/VE thing was about third party while it's about II

but that means palmar is definitely third party, absolutely 100%

VarysTheSpider

United States38 Posts

July 22 2011 02:38 GMT

#1489

Am I the only person who thinks Mig seems the most pro-town player still in the game?

RoL seems almost certainly 3rd party for the reason mig mentioned in the above post.

Nisani seems the scummiest to me atm, although he did make an interesting analysis on YM above.

I keep flip flopping back and forth on YM. Notasmurf seemed so sure he was town in his final post, but he also didnt trust mig. I would have really liked to hear what he had to say about the two of them but unfortunately thats not possible.

Also i wouldnt put much stock into operation honeypot bc i'm not sure that we can trust the data as no one seems sure just what causes the numbers to change.

As for now I'm sticking with Nasani pending further investigation

Nisani201

United States1400 Posts

July 22 2011 02:43 GMT

#1490

On July 22 2011 11:38 VarysTheSpider wrote:
Am I the only person who thinks Mig seems the most pro-town player still in the game?

RoL seems almost certainly 3rd party for the reason mig mentioned in the above post.

Nisani seems the scummiest to me atm, although he did make an interesting analysis on YM above.

I keep flip flopping back and forth on YM. Notasmurf seemed so sure he was town in his final post, but he also didnt trust mig. I would have really liked to hear what he had to say about the two of them but unfortunately thats not possible.

Also i wouldnt put much stock into operation honeypot bc i'm not sure that we can trust the data as no one seems sure just what causes the numbers to change.

As for now I'm sticking with Nasani pending further investigation

Look, kid. The reason why people are voting for me are 1) I defended redFF and 2) I haven't contributed much.

I just contributed an analysis on youngminii. The redFF defense isn't scummy because I was supporting my opinion. Just because it was wrong doesn't make me scum. Therefore, take your vote off me and vote for youngminii.

Mr. Wiggles

Canada5894 Posts

July 22 2011 03:49 GMT

#1491

On July 22 2011 10:38 Palmar wrote:
What the hell are you talking about youngminii?

Fuck yeah I want to lynch RoL. I'm also content with killing both nisani and you.

We have two (imo 3) great lynch options.

RoL who I have basically proved to be third party scummy player, and he's gotten himself banned for two weeks anyway, but yeah, he's a lying scumbag and needs to hang or get shot in face.

And then we have Nisani201, based on Mig's case. We hopped on him based on a conversation we had on IRC, which is why we voted before Mig who was appointed to post the actual analysis, got his work done.

So I don't see what you're complaining about, we have 2 great targets.

And then we have you, you dirty scum.

So, how have we proven RoL to be third party, but are letting Decon off the hook? You avoided answering this.

No one asked you to claim to Palmar. Also, why refuse to claim in public? At this point, you have claimed Vet, and are either telling the truth or are a third party. Since people know you've claimed vet, there shouldn't be any harm in claiming your name. Palmar says that he had a third person claim vet to him, with his name, and RoL claimed Killer Croc, meaning you're either Bane or an unknown character. The only reason I can see for not claiming your name, is that you're afraid of getting caught in a lie. If you're town, and Palmar says you're lying, then we get a 1-1 trade with scum. What reasons can you provide for not giving us your name? Also, why bother wasting a DT on you, when it solves nothing?

I'm suspicious of you right now, because your posting seems very bland and uninspired to me. Most posts you make are just general advice to town, and provide nothing in the way of content. As well, the only suspicions you expressed on Day 1, were for Kurumi (A known troll) for trolling, and redFF, whom you claim to have thought was scummy since the beginning of Day 1, for spamming, with no mention of why else you thought he was scummy. These seem like very safe accusations, and combined with your very safe posting, lends me to believe for now that you're actually third party and not vet.

##Vote: Deconduo

Kavdragon

United States1251 Posts

July 22 2011 04:06 GMT

#1492

Sorry, I've been gone for the past 24 hours.

On July 22 2011 08:18 Lucidity wrote:
hiro protagonist, this is no place to talk about talking about bans.
let's lynch Kavdragon.

Seriously. His vote is on HIMSELF.

I accidentally voted in only the posting thread yesterday, and received a warning for it. If I do that again, I will be mod-killed. I've never done this before, and I would like to say that I'd never do it again, but if it happened once, I'd rather take precautions to make sure that I don't do it again. To that end I am voting for myself until I place my real vote, which I have every intention of making. However, in the unlikely event that I forget to post my vote in the voting thread, I won't be mod killed.

Get it? Now why are you so eager to lynch someone based off of something as simple as that? Once you hang around TLM a while longer you'll find that this practice is not uncommon.

Kavdragon

United States1251 Posts

July 22 2011 04:25 GMT

#1493

Ok, so I've caught up on the thread. First and foremost, please look at what we've done today. We've discussed the third party to DEATH, and have let the mafia slip almost completely. What the crap are we doing?

This game is about scum hunting, not scum hunting! The three third parties are just a complication to that ultimate goal, but they are by no means the goal we seek! We have become distracted and wasted almost a day on discussions about RoL.

I know I've not been the model of a scum hunter, but I have been helping the town with Honeypot and various PM circles to the best of my ability. I'll try to get some scum hunting done tonight, but it's not easy for me at the moment.

Please, put the focus back on the mafia where it belongs!

bumatlarge

United States4567 Posts

July 22 2011 05:17 GMT

#1494

Mig is definitely not scum. Black people tend to be pro-town, its hard to tell the difference between green and black aside from some extreme self-interest. This is nothing new. I like how kav put it, scum hunt don't scum hunt. It's unnecessary in this format.

Mr. Wiggles

Canada5894 Posts

July 22 2011 05:28 GMT

#1495

Meh, Decon was a red read from day 1, and someone must have thought similarly and shot him. He's still alive, so now I know he can't be red, but there's the possibility he's third party, so I'm just following through with my initial read.

snotboogie

Australia3550 Posts

July 22 2011 05:30 GMT

#1496

On July 22 2011 11:05 Nisani201 wrote:

The point he makes about getting scum in a PM circle is interesting but I still don't like how he's downplaying PM's. He is completely eliminating the possibility that the town can use PMs as a powerful weapon in scumhunting. This also contradicts his previous post about how he was voting for Mig based on the PM; here he is saying that PM ruins games, but in the previous post he uses it as total evidence.

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The facts of Operation Honeypot were already stated. This was posted before suspicion was placed on youngminii so there is no point in giving yourself town cred-- unless you're scum.

I find your "analysis" very, very unconvincing. You're reaching at straws when you say "This also contradicts his previous post about how he was voting for Mig based on the PM; here he is saying that PM ruins games, but in the previous post he uses it as total evidence." He is voting here for Mig because, obviously, he believes Mig has an opinion on PMs consistent with Mafia - that is, YM believes Mafia likes sticking to PM because presumably there are less eyes on the information, and co-ordinating analysis on different bits of PMs between different people is harder than analysing public posts.

YM tries to avoid PMs, and believes Mig is scummy (at least in this particular instance) because Mig seems very intent on advocating PMs. The logic here is clear to me and I believe you using the fact that YM is basing his vote on a PM is deliberately missing the point. Furthermore YM is consistent in his dislike of PMs by publicly airing his conversation here.

Further I am inclined to believe notasmurf, not only because he was town but because he knew enough that he was going to be killed and still trusted YM.

Now YM's post where he reemphasized the facts of Honeypot - I, as a Townie, took that post to be a reminder for us Townies to scumhunt based on data that good work went into. Further it was a summary of a heavy piece of work that was a very logical topic of discussion since it was only the previous page that it was revealed.

You instead took this as YM trying to give himself town cred - you've not only obviously given a lot of thought into a scum perspective on things (hmm...) but you're reeeeeaaaachingggg, bro. In fact I found your ENTIRE ANALYSIS reaching. It reeks of scum panicking under pressure.

Kurumi

Poland6130 Posts

July 22 2011 07:22 GMT

#1497

why the heck varys says mig is the most pro town

VarysTheSpider

United States38 Posts

July 22 2011 07:39 GMT

#1498

Ok gonna try my hand at an analysis here. I remember Pyo taking some heat on Day 1, and as soon as he started getting some votes it seemed to me like he went to lurking.

On July 18 2011 17:52 Pyo wrote:

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On July 18 2011 15:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote:

On July 18 2011 14:49 Pyo wrote:

On July 18 2011 13:22 Mr. Wiggles wrote:

On July 18 2011 13:14 Pyo wrote:

On July 18 2011 10:25 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
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Ok, so let's get this started!

First things first, let's lay out some things we want to achieve, and some guidelines.

A pro-town atmosphere

This normally goes without saying, but it often bears repeating. If we want to catch scum, we need to have the proper environment for scum hunting and for communicating with each other. This means a couple things:

Promoting scum hunting.
Not having pointless arguments
Actively contributing
All that jazz

Basically, we want to keep the thread as clean as possible, because chaos best serves mafia, not town. If you really don't know what to do, there's town guides. I'm not going to write one here, because I'm too lazy, and don't consider myself experienced enough to try. However, I am going to go through the three points above, as I think they are very important.

We always want people to scum-hunt. There's never an excuse not to scum-hunt; everyone can do it. This provides us with many benefits. First, it's the primary method for actually finding scum. It also means that people have to give their actual thoughts, and have to come up with things beyond "I agree". This gives us information, and information is good. It lets us know what you're thinking, and it puts pressure on mafia to have to contribute. Also, forcing mafia to scum-hunt means that there's a good chance of catching them just based on their analysis, because it's hard to find people who are scummy, when you know they aren't scum.

Next, we want to avoid bickering. This goes hand in hand with keeping the thread clean. This is different from actually debating with people, and you should be able to tell the difference between rationality, and NO U. If anyone is having a pointless argument, they will be asked to stop. It doesn't help town, only mafia.

Lastly, we want people to contribute. There's a posting limit of 5 posts per day/night, but that doesn't give you permission to skirt that limit. It's easy for mafia to hide amongst lurkers, and beyond that, lurkers are nearly impossible to analyze. So, contribute. This doesn't mean make tons of pointless one-liners, it means providing actual thoughts, analysis, and content. You can do it, I believe in you. And if you don't, we can always just ask a vig to shoot you. We don't want people to lurk.

Clues

There's clues in this game. However, all clue analysis MUST MUST MUST be backed up by post analysis. Before you post the clue analysis too. The reason for this, is that clues will most likely point to all kills. this means that some of the clues are going to point to vigs, some will point to third parties, and the others will point to mafia. Accidentally outing a vig because you solved the clues about them is bad. So, if you think someone's attached to a clue, go back and re-read their posts. If you think they look scummy, then post an analysis that contains the clue analysis. If you think they're town, just hold onto your analysis. Clue-analysis should always be used to supplement an actual behavioural analysis. It should never be the main point for calling someone scummy. In other words: Clues pointing towards a person does not equal scum.

Third Parties

Looking at the third parties, here's what we want:

-We want Joker to die.
-We want Batman to kill Joker.
-This means that Batman wins, and should hopefully be removed from the game, also removing Ra’as Al Ghul who can no longer achieve his victory condition.

This is the optimal way the third party part of the game will go. We want Batman to kill Joker before Ra'as can kill Batman, so that we don't have to deal with Joker ourselves. So, if you think someone's acting like an SK, don't be afraid to point it out, as this should help Batman achieve his win-con, and let us get on with the rest of the game.

If Joker is lynched, is Batman removed from the game?
If Batman is removed from the game, is Ra'as removed from the game?

Thoughts? Disagreements? Let's get this rolling.

On July 18 2011 12:39 CreamyButter wrote:
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On July 18 2011 10:37 Curu wrote:

CreamyButter, a question for you if I may. Taking the setup into consideration, how would you propose to play as Mafia this game if you were indeed to receive such a role?

Ummm. Well. First order of business is of course ensuring that all mafia members are actively contributing to the thread. For the newer players, I might consider giving them a talking point, or else assigning one mafia to make an inconsequential "slip" in the thread, so that the less experienced mafia members can analyze properly without feeling guilty and without actually slipping up. I would pick the newest players and make sure they know what they're doing, basically, and if not I would help them compose their posts before they post them. After all mafia members are actively posting, I would try to shift the demographic being targeted in the thread to something less dangerous, such as lynching all lurkers.

Also, since there seems to be a zodiac/veteran list going up, I would make sure to elect a figurehead boss, so that the boss doesn't end up on the list.

From there, use PMs to harass/poke people and figure out what roles they have/infiltrate their circles >.> Avoid hitting vets, figure out where the hatter's bombs are before killing them, hit medics, boring stuff etc. I would be actively PMing, to make sure the town doesn't get up to anything worthwhile. Possibly coordinate PMs with other mafia members.

A priority is reaching out to the insane inmates, and integrating them into the mafia circle. With no rolechecker, though, I'm not sure how mafia would do this. I guess they would get the DT to check on someone who isn't in the known mafia circle, and if the DT claims that he's seeing red, then the guy being checked is probably insane because no 3rd party would set themselves as red. For this reason I might consider not killing DTs right away as long as he's being properly manipulated. Batman is useless because he can't claim and he can't reveal his findings, though.

From what I can tell, it is in mafia's best interest to get the 3rd parties lynched. The 3rd parties might randomly kill a mafia member at night, and might eat up night hits, and it is impossible to cooperate with them since they can't claim. I guess I would just leave random hints everywhere that someone (someone who isn't mafia) is Batman and hope he dies.

As a 3rd party player:
It seems to be in Joker's best interest for the game to end as quickly as possible, so he would keep mafia alive at first, so that their KP is higher. Batman and Ra'as, on the other hand, want to keep the game running longer, so that they have time to hunt. As Batman I would default to rolechecking, and killing only when either confirmed or if one side seems like it's winning. As Ra'as I would target lurkers/useless seeming people until I get a read.

There seems to be enough vigilante advice, so maybe it's time to stop with that. As for DT advice though,

On July 18 2011 11:32 notasmurf wrote:

It's not who the veteran players are that we should be concerned about. It's who the new players are.
These are the people that we should focus our DT check on, and take a closer look during scumhunting.
By no means am I saying we should lynch new players instead of old ones. Obviously we need to lynch the best person possible. But what I'm saying is that they tend to get overlooked.

I agree that DTs should check the newer, more easy ignorable players, instead of the vets. Since as a DT you can only trust a red reading, there's no way to try and build a circle around yourself. It would also be much easier to get a newer, inactive, partially illiterate player lynched than an old one. So check people that you think yourself capable of actually getting lynched i guess.

I have to study/class, will be back later today. I don't really know how to give/identify good analysis, but I'm fully open to being tested/asked stupid questions to see if I screw up, so feel free to send me PMs.

I might be a "newb" but from my limited experience, pretty much every time someone comes out with one of these massive long policy spam posts, they've been scum. Just sayin'

Meh, it's a null-tell again. Examples, GM in Real-Time Mafia, Kavdragon in Pick Your Power Insane. Both making long posts trying to direct town at the beginning, both town. Also, if you think my post is spam, please point out how. If you read it, I specifically say I'm not going to write a general how to play town guide, just give a little bit of general advice against what's made town lose in about three of the last four games I've played, and then talked about how to use clues properly and that killing Joker is a high priority for town. It's not even that massive either, haha.

All you did in your post was herpa-derp the premise of the game. It's not meaningful in any way shape or form. I realize that people can meta-game that shit by always posting that crap at the beginning of their games so that whenever they are mafia it doesn't look so suspicious, but in general it's a really bad way to play if you really are town.

Are you sure about that? I'm starting to question if you read posts or just skim through them. Also, the premise of the game is to kill mafia. If you want, I can go find the games where I won as mafia exactly because of the things I mentioned in my opening post. I can also reference you to a clue game where I used clues only, with no backing analysis, to win as an SK, thus the warning. The next bit is me analyzing the set-up a little, and bringing things up that no one mentioned yet about how there's a priority to killing off the third parties.

That post is only useless if I don't hold people to what I wrote or make people follow what I said. So, unless you want the examples, I'm done with this. Look at my second point if you want the reason why.

Do you really think that everyone is going to read every single post in detail - especially super long posts - in a 40-person game where half of the players have been described as "newbs" ? All people are going to do is skim a post get a feel for whether it is pro-town or not. And as has been declared by some people, they think you're pro-town. I, however, disagree as mafia often make those long policy like guidance posts at the start of games.

One of his first posts, seems pretty scummy as a few other people said right after he said it. It's almost like hes telling everyone its ok to skim and not really hunt for information.

On July 19 2011 18:02 Pyo wrote:
##vote: Liquid`Nazgul

That's right, that dark blue banner doesn't scare me...

In all seriousness, I'm not really convinced about anyone's scumminess. I suppose that supersoft is kind of suspicious, but the read I got is someone who just didn't want to get accused of lurking and not necessarily scum. Also I'm a little suspicious of early bandwagons - especially given that it's the second day 1 bandwagon (and I feel a little more likely to be scum driven than the first one on Coagulation).

Since I'm not really sure who to vote for and I'm not exactly sure when the day is over, I'm going to put a place-holder vote for someone nobody else is likely to vote for (i.e. I'm going to abstain from voting day 1 unless something really obvious comes up).

Then he makes the oh so suspicious place holder vote which a lot of regulars thought was a wierd/stupid thing to do.

On July 19 2011 19:13 Pyo wrote:

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You know, I just don't get. I made a post saying that people shouldn't post huge long policy posts stating the premise of the game and somehow and somehow TAA thinks that scum and has been tunneling me the whole time. You wanna lynch me? Go ahead. You wanna vigi hit me? Go ahead. When I flip green maybe town will start paying to TAA. By the way before he started randomly tunneling me he sent me this message (for the sake of full disclosure):

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I'm not defending supersoft. I just don't like day 1 bandwagons... has town ever managed to bandwagon scum day 1? Also scum don't deflect bandwagons against their own by directly defending, they do it by deflecting attention away from others. Sort of like posts like this one. It's a totally irrelevant post that does nothing but distract town discussion.

Regardless, I don't know who to vote for. The day 1 lynch is just going to be a completely random crap shoot.

The bolded part is a wierd thing to say. IIRC we had plenty of good suspects to choose from on day 1 but you were wishy washy all day and were afraid to pressure anyone or take a stance anywhere. Sounds like the scum in you coming out and hoping that the D1 lynch is a crap shoot.

On July 19 2011 22:22 Pyo wrote:

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He's been spammy, which while not good town behavior doesn't mean he's mafia. In fact, I'm almost inclined to think that there's no way mafia would spam like that as it almost invites a policy lynch, but that's a little too WIFOM to conclude anything. As I've said before, I don't have a strong scum read on anyone. This is also my first PM game so it is a little harder to judge things given that many posts are likely in response to or a direct consequence of some PM conversations. Once flips start happening it'll be easier/more reasonable to start drawing conclusions.

Here we see him coming to RedFFs defense, but then continuing to say he doesnt have any idea who could be scum... is that because you know all the scum and no one else had said anything you could try to point blame at them yet?

On July 19 2011 23:16 Pyo wrote:

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On July 19 2011 22:55 Amber[LighT] wrote:

On July 19 2011 22:47 Pyo wrote:

On July 19 2011 22:26 Mig wrote:
Pyo wtf you realize all you have done this game is say you aren't suspicious of anyone like 50 times. Surely there has to be someone you are suspicious of? There are 25 pages of posts. Are you really saying you haven't seen anything at all that worries you?

I don't understand why everyone keeps pressuring me to start accusing people. Sure there are suspicious people. About half the people in the game haven't really posted much of anything. We've got a bunch of people throwing out 4+ simultaneous accusations. You've been happy-go-lucky PM spamming. Cluttering up the thread with a million and one accusations is dumb. The 3 big fos's are supersoft, redff, and myself. I know I'm town. As I just said above redff seems to be almost too spammy to be mafia, and as for supersoft:

Original Message From supersoft:
mh probably... I'll never make jokes in english again. Nobody got the irony :-/

But it's like supersoft 8:5 redFF

what do you think of redFF? would be very kind of you to look over the accuses against him - i think there is something in it.
+ i don't give up so fast ;D

Original Message From Pyo:
you might be dead anyway. I wasn't following the thread carefully when the whole VT claim nonsense went down, but you may have screwed yourself there.

Original Message From supersoft:

On July 19 2011 21:46 Pyo wrote:

On July 19 2011 21:39 Kurumi wrote:
prplhz y u so flyin' like a g6 under the radar
Kavradgon, y u no aggressive like in PYPI
redff, y u so scum
supersoft,y u terrible scum
pyo,y u terrible 3rd party
come at me mafias

This is like the 4th game I've seen of you now where you've been making insane posts like this. I would have thought that co-hosting a game would have gotten you to chill out, but I guess that was a little much to hope for. Throwing around accusations just creates chaos in an already chaotic day 1.

i thought the exact the same thing :D
but in my current situation, i was afraid another honest statement would be my end :D

I'm inclined to believe that some of the whole VT claim thing might have been lost in translation, but then again, why would he try to be my friend? It seems weird.

That's suspicious behavior. These people need to be flushed out. Sure not every inactive player is scum, but if you let mafia get away without posting much they're going to win. The town is really its biggest enemy in this situation, which is what the mafia wants.

well you were one of them...

Look day 1 has been a cluster fuck of random accusations and needless spam. But there can only be 1 lynch. So why should I have to spam up the thread with accusations when I can easily do it during the next night/day cycle once I have more information? How is that sabotaging town? Isn't that exactly what mafia wants? FoS on a ton of people? no? Throwing out random accusations that isn't founded on solid evidence seems silly to me - wouldn't it be better for me to let things continue along until the last moment possible so my accusations are based on something solid? w/e, it's not like I can really change anyone's mind, but I'll give my list of suspicions when I'm damn well ready to...

Then this little gem. The town wants people to be talking and get ideas going around, but you just post about not knowing who to post about and say that you dont wanna spam the thread... and the bolded part... why wouldnt you want to give the town more info about who you are suspicious of? you might point out something to someone else and the light bulb goes off in there head.

After taking a few votes he seemed to fade away into murk to lurk for awhile, only coming out to comment on 3rd parties and RoL getting the banhammer today.

So going back to what you said on D1 about giving your suspicions when your damn well ready... are you ready yet? Surely enough has gone down that you are suspicious of someone... hell im suspicous of over half the people still in. So what have you got for us Pyo???

VarysTheSpider

United States38 Posts

July 22 2011 07:47 GMT

#1499

On July 22 2011 16:22 Kurumi wrote:
why the heck varys says mig is the most pro town

1)Because he made really good analysis of RedFF (before it would have been advantage to mafia) who turned out to be scum

2) He made another analysis on nisani201 who is one of my top suspects currently

3) All of his posts that I have read so far seem pretty pro town, and he has posted more than almost anyone else in the thread.

the only strike i could see that was against him was operation honeypot thing, which i personally found the data inconclusive (pretty sure there are ways to manipulate these numbers and people were looking into it) and it also didn't even point directly at him but him and/or wiggles.

Palmar

Iceland22630 Posts

July 22 2011 08:29 GMT

#1500

On July 22 2011 10:49 youngminii wrote:
must've missed mig's analysis

so what you're saying is, your open pm circle that has every possibility to be infiltrated (and was at one point by redFF) were discussing lynch targets with each other and one guy pointed out a gem in mig's analysis of a nisani based on 3 of his posts which are actually extremely passive?

which part is the gem? i want to know so i can understand this analysis a little better, right now to me it looks like mig is doing a crapshoot into the list of lurkers, nisani is not 'ridiculously scummy', he's just as scummy as every other lurker in this game

yes!

hang on, I'll post a log from day 1 where this open discussion channel was infiltrated by redFF (alanismorisette)

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[22:48:31] <Shraft> wait
[22:48:49] <Shraft> does insane inmates count as mafia?
[22:48:57] <Shraft> not adding to their KP
[22:48:58] <Shraft> but as like
[22:49:17] <Shraft> if there's 6 town, 5 maf and one insane inmate?
[22:50:23] <syllogism> no, but they can vote so mafia can just tell insane inmate to role claim
[22:51:08] <Shraft> that was my guess to
[22:51:11] <Shraft> thanks for confirming
[22:51:17] <Shraft> *too
[22:57:09] <Palmar> lynching them is good
[22:57:13] <Palmar> it's not the best option
[22:57:19] <Palmar> but it sure as hell beats lynching townies
[22:57:25] <Palmar> like supersoft
[23:05:39] <Shraft> hmmm
[23:05:55] <Shraft> not sure what to make of CB's PM to viscera
[23:06:05] <Shraft> either he is insane inmate
[23:06:14] <Shraft> or someone told him to write that
[23:06:16] <Shraft> i think
[23:09:50] <syllogism> around 0% chance mafia contacted him
[23:10:12] <Shraft> well
[23:10:28] <Shraft> oh
[23:10:29] <Shraft> yeah
[23:10:30] <Shraft> nvm
[23:26:35] <alanismorisette> Palmar: u still there
[23:27:54] <Palmar> yeah
[23:41:31] <alanismorisette> so
[23:41:31] <alanismorisette> i
[23:41:38] <alanismorisette> u think supersoft is town?
[23:54:38] <Palmar> ye
[23:54:49] <Palmar> but I don't think you are
[23:55:18] <alanismorisette> :O
[23:55:20] <alanismorisette> why
[23:55:22] <Palmar> you scummy scum defending him
[23:55:25] <Palmar> scum scum scum
[23:55:30] <alanismorisette> .
[23:55:30] <alanismorisette> .
[23:55:31] <alanismorisette> .
[23:55:43] <Palmar> DIE SCUM
[23:56:08] <alanismorisette> ?
[23:56:10] <alanismorisette> why
[23:56:20] <alanismorisette> because i attempted to stop a bad lynch?
[23:56:22] <alanismorisette> or because
[23:56:23] <Palmar> yes
[23:56:27] <alanismorisette> ...
[23:56:52] <Palmar> you defended supersoft
[23:56:54] <Palmar> scummmm
[23:57:55] <alanismorisette> how?
[23:58:00] <alanismorisette> or are u joking
[23:58:56] <Palmar> no
[23:58:59] <Palmar> you're scum
[23:59:24] <alanismorisette> WAI
[23:59:37] <Palmar> Because you defended supersoft.
[23:59:46] <alanismorisette> why is that scummy
[23:59:54] <Palmar> cause he scummy
[00:00:07] <alanismorisette> but
[00:00:09] <alanismorisette> he isnt
[00:00:12] <Palmar> no
[00:00:12] <alanismorisette> because
[00:00:16] <Palmar> not anymore
[00:00:19] <alanismorisette> he made a joke with his first post
[00:00:21] <Palmar> but you're still scummy
[00:00:21] <alanismorisette> and dint lie
[00:00:35] <alanismorisette> because i realised the same thing u realised 10 pages earlier?
[00:00:51] <Palmar> It's not the what, but the how!
[00:00:52] <Palmar> D:
[00:00:54] <Palmar> :D
[00:00:57] <Palmar> D:
[00:00:58] <Palmar> :D
[00:01:00] <Palmar> :D
[00:01:03] <Palmar> D:
[00:02:00] <Palmar> You see, there were several interesting points brought up against him. He did at worst lie, at best exaggerate, he did do some silly things and he was being wishy washy and useless
[00:02:09] <Palmar> at this point it makes no sense defending him
[00:02:12] <alanismorisette> wait
[00:02:29] <Palmar> so there is no reason to stick your neck out for him, really
[00:02:32] <Palmar> just see where it goes
[00:02:33] <alanismorisette> yoep, it's not my first game, but my first game with PMs. Like you said there is a tendency for not posting in the thread and writing PMs instead. Same thing for me.
[00:02:35] <alanismorisette> this is the lie
[00:02:37] <alanismorisette> but
[00:02:39] <alanismorisette> its not a lie
[00:02:53] <Palmar> especially when it's day1
[00:03:01] <alanismorisette> yoep, it's not my first game, but my first game with PMs. Like you said there is a tendency for n
ot posting in the thread and writing PMs instead. Same thing for me.
[00:03:02] <alanismorisette> not a lie
[00:03:02] <Palmar> everyone knew there were going to be alternative cases
[00:03:06] <Palmar> now
[00:03:11] <Palmar> here's the thing
[00:03:15] <alanismorisette> sticking my neck out for him
[00:03:20] <alanismorisette> is not the same as defending
[00:03:21] <alanismorisette> him
[00:03:29] <Palmar> Later, he sort of picked up his posting a bit
[00:03:38] <Palmar> and then he did what made me change my mind
[00:03:43] <alanismorisette> i didnt think by trying to stop a bad bandwagon could get people to want to lynch me
[00:03:45] <Palmar> I went looking for alternative lynch targets
[00:03:55] <alanismorisette> curu is just bad and attacks anyone who disagrees with him
[00:03:56] <Palmar> and pyo looked scumscumscummediscum
[00:03:59] <alanismorisette> but w/e
[00:04:00] <Palmar> so he pms me
[00:04:22] <Palmar> This is a really good analysis. I like it. I know Pyo. He played in all my Mafia games I played before and you are right. This behavior of him is extremely different. He was a scary townie to play against. And now he is not as sharp as in his games before. I don't want to screw your good case by supporting it right now, because many people don't trust me right now.
[00:04:22] <Palmar> If I get hang you may use this PM to support your case tomorrow.
[00:04:22] <Palmar> sup.
[00:04:28] <Palmar> this is something
[00:04:31] <Palmar> I don't think mafia
[00:04:33] <Palmar> would bother to do
[00:04:44] <Palmar> So then I change my mind
[00:04:49] <Palmar> and now I think he's townery
[00:05:01] <Palmar> and yes curu is bad
[00:05:19] <alanismorisette> exactly
[00:05:24] <alanismorisette> did u see what i wrote about him
[00:05:24] <alanismorisette> lol
[00:05:37] <Palmar> but that doesn't make you town :D:D
[00:05:42] <Palmar> yeah
[00:05:46] <alanismorisette> Curu strikes me as overzealous townie. They are a common product of Epicmafia.com. For another example of this see gtrsrs.
[00:05:47] <alanismorisette>

[00:05:48] <Palmar> he's also mad at me
[00:06:05] <Palmar> he sent me pm "hey, looks like we think similarly, now who should we lynch next"
[00:06:07] <Palmar> and I replied
[00:06:10] <Palmar> "that curu guy"
[00:06:12] <Palmar> and he got mad
[00:06:44] <alanismorisette> lol
[00:06:56] <Palmar> nah he's ok
[00:07:05] <Palmar> he made me wear a dress and gave me nice boobs
[00:07:08] <alanismorisette> oh
[00:07:14] <Palmar> and I eloped with jackal
[00:07:31] <Palmar> which was nice
[00:09:04] <alanismorisette> well
[00:09:10] <alanismorisette> thats what he comes off as in mafia
[00:09:22] <Palmar> Kurumi is nice
[00:09:25] <Palmar> I like him
[00:09:33] <alanismorisette> yeah hes ok
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[00:13:02] <prpl> okay i'm never gonna catch up
[00:13:08] <prpl> this thread is moving faster than i can take notes
[00:16:20] <alanismorisette>

[00:17:34] <Palmar> why the fuck do people not want to lynch pyo
[00:17:50] <alanismorisette> no
[00:17:53] <alanismorisette> the question is
[00:18:00] <alanismorisette> why the fuck d people not want to lynch VE
[00:18:10] <alanismorisette> when the whole case against supersoft was that he lied
[00:18:18] <alanismorisette> and now apparently either ve is liar or traitor
[00:18:24] <alanismorisette> and ppl are like
[00:18:27] <alanismorisette> no dont lynch him
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[00:19:29] <Palmar> whatever
[00:19:33] <Palmar> you're scummyscum
[00:20:51] <prpl> wait a second
[00:21:00] <prpl> aren't you lynching visceraeyes?
[00:21:15] <prpl> the guy claimed scum
[00:21:32] <prpl> maybe i just want to see him hang
[00:21:42] <prpl> but i think the reasons are pretty good
[00:21:49] <prpl> anyway i was headed to bed
[00:21:52] <Palmar> well he's dead
[00:21:55] <Palmar> so whatever
[00:22:04] <Palmar> redscumscum can live another day
[00:22:11] <Palmar> and same with pyoscum
[00:22:14] <prpl> lucky bastard
[00:22:24] <prpl> hope rol will be more active outside pmland tomorrow
[00:22:31] <prpl> but that's probably only gonna happen with a bit of pressure
[00:22:35] <Palmar> thing is, we gain nothing from killing traitors
[00:22:41] <prpl> we gain
[00:22:43] <prpl> a dead traitor
[00:22:45] <Palmar> yeah
[00:22:48] <prpl> can't just try to apply pressure
[00:22:51] <Palmar> but what harm can he do?
[00:22:51] <prpl> or get information lynches
[00:22:53] <prpl> up to deadline
[00:23:03] <prpl> that's kinda a good point
[00:23:07] <syllogism> they've to be killed before lylo, and the closer to lylo we get, the more harmful they are
[00:23:08] <prpl> unless he counts towards mafia KP
[00:23:10] <Palmar> he has 1 vote, and he can troll town
[00:23:13] <Palmar> they don't
[00:23:34] <Palmar> I mean, who cares, we can't turn this around
[00:23:39] <syllogism> and if we happen to run out of vigs/hatters, they'll have to be lynched, which means we basically trade
d, say, day 4 lynch for day 1 lynch in terms of inromation
[00:23:43] <Palmar> so I'm rather just going to make sure ve dies than supersoft
[00:25:02] <Palmar> how many kp does mafia have?
[00:25:09] <prpl> he's not clear lynch?
[00:25:11] <prpl> what's votecount?
[00:25:14] <prpl> is that anywhere?
[00:25:19] <prpl> i thought visc would have 30 votes by now
[00:25:20] <syllogism> Current Mafia KP: 3
[00:25:22] <alanismorisette> wait
[00:25:33] <alanismorisette> palmar
[00:25:48] <alanismorisette> u really think im scum?
[00:25:52] <Palmar> yeah
[00:26:17] <Palmar> funny
[00:26:21] <Palmar> assuming no vigi hits
[00:26:23] <alanismorisette> well
[00:26:25] <alanismorisette> then
[00:26:29] <alanismorisette> i have 1 thing to say to u
[00:26:32] <alanismorisette> derp
[00:26:34] <prpl> Palmar thinks that everybody is scum
[00:26:47] <Palmar> and that town lynches traitor - traitor - traitor - 3rd party - 3rd party - 3rd party
[00:26:57] <Palmar> and assuming no 3rd party kills
[00:27:06] <Palmar> town is down 6 days, and down 18 people
[00:27:14] <Palmar> and still haven't achieved shit vs mafia
[00:27:20] <Palmar> lol
[00:27:28] <Palmar> town can lynch correctly every time and still lose
[00:27:31] <Palmar> this is kinda weird
[00:27:41] <syllogism> 3rd parties tend to hit mafia occasionally
[00:27:45] <syllogism> and mafia can even hit traitors
[00:27:48] <Palmar> yea sure
[00:27:48] <prpl> they can lynch wrong every time and still win too
[00:28:07] <Palmar> still I'm worried
[00:28:13] <Palmar> well whatever
[00:28:15] <Palmar> maybe pro dt
[00:28:18] <Palmar> finds awesomescum
[00:28:23] <Palmar> and pushes with great analysis
[00:28:28] <Palmar> and all our vigis are pro too
[00:28:39] <Palmar> and mafia shoots traitors for great justice.
[00:28:51] <Palmar> I'm tired
[00:28:53] <Palmar> gn
[00:31:15] <Palmar> lol
[00:31:17] <Palmar> whatever
[00:31:20] <Palmar> let's kill redFF
[00:31:47] <syllogism> hey red now would be a good time to claim
[00:32:19] <alanismorisette> to claim?
[00:32:55] <alanismorisette> im fairly sure ve is still ahead in votes
[00:33:07] <syllogism> you and VE are both at 10 i think
[00:33:27] <alanismorisette> i really dont understand
[00:33:33] <alanismorisette> they found scum/anti-town
[00:33:38] <alanismorisette> and dont want to lynch them
[00:33:48] <alanismorisette> and the evidence against me
[00:33:50] <alanismorisette> is terrible
[00:34:28] <Palmar> u sad?
[00:34:33] <alanismorisette> well
[00:34:37] <alanismorisette> im kind of pissed
[00:34:54] <alanismorisette> cuz i was really looking forward to playing a batman themed game
[00:34:55] <alanismorisette>

[00:35:01] <alanismorisette> and because
[00:35:04] <alanismorisette> once again
[00:35:10] <alanismorisette> tl town has proved they are terrible
[00:35:14] <Palmar> ...
[00:35:16] <Palmar> ok
[00:35:17] <Palmar> now
[00:35:23] <syllogism> role claim
[00:35:24] <alanismorisette> and cannot lynch scum when they stand there and claim it
[00:35:24] <Palmar> this is something I have a problem with
[00:35:35] <Palmar> whenever someone gets lynched, it's his own damn fault
[00:35:36] <syllogism> VE is getting vigied
[00:35:51] <Palmar> barring a detective finger or something
[00:36:03] <syllogism> your defense of supersoft was really awful, you weren't even stating your reasons and just attacked Cur
u for making a good case (yes it was a pretty good case)
[00:36:04] <Palmar> if I get lynched day1, I need to improve my play
[00:36:10] <syllogism> and you didn't scum hunt at all
[00:36:36] <Palmar> mafia is about making people believe things
[00:36:47] <Palmar> if I'm town, and I can't make people believe I'm innocent, I'm useless
[00:36:55] <Palmar> same as scum, really
[00:36:55] <alanismorisette> i made a big post why the supersoft bandwagon is dumb
[00:36:57] <alanismorisette> ...
[00:37:22] <alanismorisette> HEY PALMAR
[00:37:25] <alanismorisette> KEEP SHOOTING DTS
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[00:37:31] <Palmar> lol
[00:37:43] *** Joins: alanismorisette (~redFF1@24-151-111-27.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com)
[00:37:50] <Palmar> bang bang
[00:37:55] <alanismorisette> lol
[00:37:56] <Palmar> you a dt bro?
[00:37:57] <alanismorisette> i jk
[00:38:14] <syllogism> so role claim in PM and maybe you might yet live
[00:38:53] <alanismorisette> i dont wanna claim
[00:39:00] <alanismorisette> if im not getting lynched
[00:39:03] <alanismorisette> i should count votes
[00:40:52] <alanismorisette> well
[00:40:59] <alanismorisette> if i get lynched
[00:41:29] <alanismorisette> somehow this guy managed to turn claiming traitor into lynching a townie, with no analysis to back it up
[00:41:37] <alanismorisette> so maybe kill him for me
[00:43:38] <syllogism> you are leading now
[00:44:59] <alanismorisette> i know
[00:48:10] <syllogism> well i'm going to bed since apparently nothing is happening anytime soon
[00:48:35] <Palmar> same
[00:48:39] <Palmar> if you wanna roleclaim
[00:48:41] <Palmar> do it now
[00:55:17] <syllogism> are you still writing it?
[00:55:36] <alanismorisette> im not claiming
[00:55:44] <syllogism> then you are getting lynched
[00:56:32] <alanismorisette> really
[00:56:36] <alanismorisette> if i claim
[00:56:42] <alanismorisette> u would be like
[00:56:48] <alanismorisette> oh he claimed not voting him anymore
[00:56:48] <Palmar> depends
[00:56:54] <syllogism> it's possible
[00:56:56] <Palmar> if we see fit to believe it
[00:57:03] <syllogism> you've to post flavor and all
[00:57:09] <Palmar> but now you have 1 min
[00:57:12] <Palmar> because else
[00:57:14] <Palmar> you're stalling
[00:57:17] <Palmar> to write flavour
[00:57:25] <alanismorisette> u want me to claim?
[00:57:29] <Palmar> go
[00:57:48] <prpl> you are not allowed
[00:57:50] <prpl> to post pms
[00:57:50] <prpl> that is
[00:57:51] <prpl> flavor
[00:57:57] <Palmar> just edit a bit
[00:57:59] <Palmar> and it's fine
[00:58:01] <Palmar> gogo
[00:58:02] <prpl> yea
[00:58:21] <alanismorisette> well did
[00:58:22] <prpl> and by a bit
[00:58:26] <prpl> i think it's supposed to be a lot
[00:58:26] <alanismorisette> im just vt
[00:58:27] <alanismorisette> tho
[00:58:28] <alanismorisette> lol
[00:58:32] <syllogism> ...
[00:58:42] <Palmar> lol
[00:58:51] <Palmar> nah, wrong answer imo
[00:58:51] <alanismorisette> thats why i said claiming wouldnt save me
[00:59:02] <Palmar> it is worth the shot
[01:00:06] <syllogism> well i'm off then
[01:00:08] * alanismorisette sighs
[01:00:17] <Palmar> <3 redFF!
[01:00:28] *** Quits: syllogism (syllogism@88-148-179-52.bb.dnainternet.fi) (Signed off)
[01:00:35] <alanismorisette> </3
[01:00:59] <alanismorisette> oh im being lynched anyway
[01:01:31] <Palmar> oh
[01:01:32] <Palmar> yeah
[01:03:08] <alanismorisette> its weird
[01:03:20] <alanismorisette> i've never actually been lynched before in a forum mafia game
[01:03:22] <alanismorisette> in like
[01:03:30] <alanismorisette> the 15 or so ive played
[01:03:33] <alanismorisette> : /
[01:05:27] <prpl> omfg
[01:05:28] <prpl> it's done?
[01:05:41] <prpl> cool i guess
[01:05:44] <prpl> what were you alanismorisette?
[01:05:50] <alanismorisette> vt
[01:05:50] <prpl> can't wait for night post
[01:05:51] <alanismorisette> lol
[01:05:53] <prpl> k
[01:05:54] <alanismorisette> gj everyone
[01:05:54] <prpl> sucks
[01:05:57] <prpl> gj you
[01:06:05] <prpl> you should just have waited the fucking wagon out
[01:07:14] <prpl> wait a second
[01:07:16] <prpl> you were scum
[01:07:16] <prpl> rofl
[01:08:15] <alanismorisette>

[01:08:20] <alanismorisette> i played awful
[01:08:22] <alanismorisette> but so did town
[01:08:44] <alanismorisette> so ppl like curu shouldnt go kidding themselves like their gods gift to mafia
[01:13:08] <prpl> ffs
[01:13:10] <prpl> i'm 10 pages behind
[01:13:14] <prpl> tomorrow gonna be tuogh
[01:13:22] <prpl> okay bed now
[01:42:37] <Shraft> yaaay
[01:42:40] <Shraft> I knew it
[01:42:50] <Shraft> anyway
[01:42:53] <Shraft> I'm going to bed
[01:43:00] <Shraft> see ya tomorrow

I edited out a few lines where we were being rude etc.

And holy shit did you not read mig's analysis?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=1321&topic_id=240299

the three quotes he pastes in there are passive defenses, attempts at swaying town one way or the other, yet not trying to stick his neck out.

And the last one is just golden, that's just the pinnacle of bad logic, someone who drives the bandwagon is rarely the scum in the group. That just looks like nisani201 trying to be greedy and getting 2 townies for one.

The only thing that strikes me as weird is that nisani201 wants to kill you ym, and I'm pretty sure you're scummyscum.

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