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On July 22 2011 23:30 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 23:28 Jackal58 wrote:On July 22 2011 23:14 Palmar wrote:On July 22 2011 23:11 Jackal58 wrote:On July 22 2011 23:07 Palmar wrote:On July 22 2011 22:53 Amber[LighT] wrote:
By the way I'm convinced neither of them are 3rd party or scum. You guys are just using mob mentality to pressure players one by one. No, we're using logic to determine that they're lying scumbags. You crazy dog. I'm glad to hear you're using logic. That's much more effective than PMing people to tell them you're one of the II types in the game. I told you, that was a goddamn mistake, unfortunate choice of words. Jackal, you troll so much in mafia games it's sometimes hard to understand what you're trying to achieve. I guess that's a good trait for mafia. Not trolling anybody man. I assumed you were. But as of now nobody else appears to have received a PM from you admitting you're one of the traitors.. Jackal, why do you do this, just when I call you out for trolling you write another post that's a blatant troll. Are you trying to ruin town atmosphere? You look pretty damn scummy right now.
How the hell do I look scummy informing town that you sent me a PM informing me you are an Insane Inmate? And then immediately say Oh that was a mistake when I call bullshit on it?
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On July 22 2011 23:33 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 23:30 Palmar wrote:On July 22 2011 23:28 Jackal58 wrote:On July 22 2011 23:14 Palmar wrote:On July 22 2011 23:11 Jackal58 wrote:On July 22 2011 23:07 Palmar wrote:On July 22 2011 22:53 Amber[LighT] wrote:
By the way I'm convinced neither of them are 3rd party or scum. You guys are just using mob mentality to pressure players one by one. No, we're using logic to determine that they're lying scumbags. You crazy dog. I'm glad to hear you're using logic. That's much more effective than PMing people to tell them you're one of the II types in the game. I told you, that was a goddamn mistake, unfortunate choice of words. Jackal, you troll so much in mafia games it's sometimes hard to understand what you're trying to achieve. I guess that's a good trait for mafia. Not trolling anybody man. I assumed you were. But as of now nobody else appears to have received a PM from you admitting you're one of the traitors.. Jackal, why do you do this, just when I call you out for trolling you write another post that's a blatant troll. Are you trying to ruin town atmosphere? You look pretty damn scummy right now. How the hell do I look scummy informing town that you sent me a PM informing me you are an Insane Inmate? And then immediately say Oh that was a mistake when I call bullshit on it?
Jackal, stop trolling please, we're discussing important things here man.
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On July 22 2011 23:01 Mig wrote:
Amber lol. Great posts. You are really providing a ton of content for the town. You mind actually giving some reasons that you don't think they are 3rd party? Like who exactly do you think shot RoL and why would he claim medic prot? Why won't decon give his role name?
Probably because neither of them want to claim. Yah of course RoL's lurking comes off as scummy but at the same time this is a good strategy if you have the role for lurking in a PM game. Same could be true for Deconduo.
You know what's a good idea when you're a veteran and you want to say you took a hit without saying you were a veteran? Claim a medic protect. That way he didn't out himself as a veteran for the rest of the game. There's a clear bandwagon going on here of people: Mig, Palmar, VarysTheSpider.
I hope the town is seeing this for what it is. These three are clearly freely sharing information with each other [and others as well]. You know who does that? scum. I've spoken to a few people this game, and I will admit PM games are not my strength, but in each of those PM's I never hard claimed a role. Anyone who hard claimed anything should have been shot on sight. So I don't understand how the three of you are just "taking everybody for their word on this one." This is the risky PM play I was speaking about.
Has anybody actually noticed Palmars play is a complete 180 from his standard "Ima shoot the DT's and win it" strategy? [jk about that, but really you're play has changed from the 2 other games I've played with you]. You're appearing more pro-town than ever, which is a shock, because when you were pro-town you were never capable of doing this. If I were scum or 3rd party, I'd want PM circle control, and mob control, and it looks to me like you're doing it.
VarysTheSpider, the useless post extraordinaire. He flings his web and latches on to people all game. Let's look at his posting career:
+ Show Spoiler +On July 19 2011 04:54 VarysTheSpider wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 23:03 Curu wrote:On July 18 2011 22:57 Amber[LighT] wrote:On July 18 2011 22:57 Curu wrote:
Mig's probably PMed everyone in this thread already.
Got any PM contacts besides him? He said in the PM convo with Mig that Mig was the only person to contact him. He also said he didn't contribute in thread and explained why his posts were useless because he had been active in PM land. So if Mig was the only person to PM Sand like Amber says, then why does he claim he's been contributing in PM land? He hasn't. Why have nothing insightful at all except some throwaway analysis done in 5 minutes that implicates the ones putting pressure on him. So let me recap: -Sandsoft posts meaningless useful fluff that's anti-Town and explains his easy bandwagon vote -Sandsoft gets called out and pressured a bit -Sandsoft then tries to do some "analysis" and 5 minutes later his results: the two people who have been accusing him -Sandsoft claims he's been useless and not contributing in thread because he's been busy in PM land. Hey Sandsoft, who have you been PMing bro I think I've found my definite day 1 lynch unless he can show me who he's PMed (and get confirmation from that person). Great recap, I was thinking the same things as I was reading this. Sandsoft is my top candidate atm. Fascinating analysis. So he can get away with "useless posts" but when I help other players it's scummy Naz/Mig? OKOK On July 19 2011 04:48 VarysTheSpider wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 22:42 supersoft wrote:On July 18 2011 22:15 syllogism wrote:
I'm falling into my PM game tendency of not posting my thoughts in the thread and rather letting other people do it for me. I'll have to echo Palmar on CB, but he does look like someone who is trying to contribute and can be thoughtful. Moreover, if he isn't town aligned, his posts read more like Insane Inmate than someone who has help (though "I guess I'll start accusing people" is pretty awful and could be interpreted as "my team told me to do this"). I'd rather consider him a decent vigi target as lynching insane inmates doesn't provide much in way of voting patterns.
Not liking Pyo's posts thus far, but attributing that to disagreeing with his logic/cases
Supersoft on the other hand has been completely worthless and his few posts have been scummy/anti-town. He isn't entirely new to the game, so I'm not going to let that excuse fly.
##vote Supersoft yoep, it's not my first game, but my first game with PMs. Like you said there is a tendency for not posting in the thread and writing PMs instead. Same thing for me. My VT claim was a joke btw. I wanted to point out that I know that I am blindly bandwagoning and thought it was funny if I would connect it with the task of the VTs to lynch "moblike style" as described in the frontpost. All the people that go for this little statement now, just are too lazy to really read the thread and make a real accusation. For me it's scummy if people are connected with each other on the first day. This connection may be a support in an accusation or defending the other person. Usually townies don't trusts anybody at the first day. I have to make a plan of people that are around here and I try to figure out connections between them. That will be my task for the first day. brb Doing things like this seem to be pretty pointless as they waste time and serve to confuse or distract people which is pretty anti-town like behavior to me. KAY On July 20 2011 03:53 VarysTheSpider wrote:
Hey all... trying to catch up with thread from my phone... been traveling today and yesterday... I'll try to post more when I get to my laptop and in the future, just hard to keep up while on the move Ok dude cya in a little On July 21 2011 10:57 VarysTheSpider wrote:
Finally done traveling... sitting down to catch up on everything... prob take me 1-2 hours to read everything then will try to post some analysis
Alright 1-2 hours, cya in a bit On July 21 2011 15:45 VarysTheSpider wrote:
Just spent the last 4.5 hours reading everything trying to catch up from traveling the last two day.
I'm a bit confused by the unique visitor stuff in the QTs, I read notasmurfs encrypted message but still didn't understand it... maybe i'm tired. Looks like mig is looking into it more so i'll just wait to see what he comes up with.
Addressing the "missing KPs". isn't it possible batman used his detective or the mafia role blocker blocked someone?
Lol after 4-5 hours you touched on the one thing that was posted most recently? It doesn't even take an hour to read every post in this thread. Oh and let's just wait for Mig to do everything. That's helpful. On July 21 2011 20:08 VarysTheSpider wrote:
Also i was thinking about what notasmurf said about how he didnt trust mig and wiggles bc of the QT circles... wasnt mig one of the first people to put together a solid analysis against RedFF who is proven scum before that bandwagon even got rolling? I guess its possible he could have been throwing RedFF under the bus to get town credit but if he was i would have thought he would have waited a little longer instead of building a case against him right away.
It would have been nice to read notasmurfs analysis on mig so we could know why he thought mig was scummier than wiggles, bc from what i've been reading mig has seemed more town to me than wiggles. mig has been actually analyzing people where as wiggles has been talking more game strategy.
Also wouldn't mig want us to try to lynch a potential SK instead of scum hunting mafia if he was indeed mafia?
I think a few other people had mentioned mig as a suspected scum earlier on, as he recieved a few short lived votes, but i don't remember there reasons. Does anyone have something I'm missing that makes him look scummy? Otherwise i would say wiggles > mig for suspicion Obvious defense of your buddy Mig. Pretty willing to throw wiggles right under the bus. On July 22 2011 08:43 VarysTheSpider wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 22:21 Mig wrote:Nisani is ridiculous scummy and should be killed asap. Nisani has done virtually 0 scum hunting and contributed absolutely nothing to the town this game. While repeatedly talking about how much work he is putting into his graph (which no one will ever get to see). A common scum tell is to talk about what analysis they are providing the town without every actually producing any. If that weren't enough look at these posts. On July 20 2011 02:09 Nisani201 wrote:
Unless there's something I've missed (which is unlikely because I read through the thread 3x as slowly as I input everything into my node graph), the only evidence against redFF that isn't related to supersoft is the fact that he posts a lot of spam, which isn't enough to warrant a lynch at all. On July 20 2011 01:54 Nisani201 wrote:
I really don't think we should be voting for redFF today. Most of the evidence against him has to do with supersoft, therefore lynching supersoft first will give us more information on him, and whether or not the lynch will be worth it. On July 19 2011 04:11 Nisani201 wrote:
Supersoft has far too many scumtells to be ignored; however if he flips green then I would seriously consider lynching Curu D2, as he started the bandwagon.
A) He strongly defends scum Redff, trying to repeatedly push the lynch off of him. B) He tries to get supersoft lynched with the reasoning that it will give us more information ( I am sure if we lynched supersoft and he flipped green he would have used that to defend red) C) The worst thing by far is he calls supersoft incredibly scummy but then says that we should lynch curu if super flips green. Remember this is the exact same strategy redff was using. Red was strongly attacking curu so that when super flipped green he could use that to try and get the town to mislynch curu day2. Also after he made this post syllo called him out on it and he completely disappeared from the thread. Nisani has provided nothing to the town while promising analysis that we will never see. Defended and tried to push the lynch off of a confirmed scum. And he used the same strategy as Redff in trying to prepare a mislynch of curu day 2, despite the fact that he himself called Super scummy.
##vote Nisani This sounds pretty spot on ##Vote Nisani Oh hey Mig did this so it must be good. #VOTEEEEEE On July 22 2011 11:38 VarysTheSpider wrote:
Am I the only person who thinks Mig seems the most pro-town player still in the game?
RoL seems almost certainly 3rd party for the reason mig mentioned in the above post.
Nisani seems the scummiest to me atm, although he did make an interesting analysis on YM above.
I keep flip flopping back and forth on YM. Notasmurf seemed so sure he was town in his final post, but he also didnt trust mig. I would have really liked to hear what he had to say about the two of them but unfortunately thats not possible.
Also i wouldnt put much stock into operation honeypot bc i'm not sure that we can trust the data as no one seems sure just what causes the numbers to change.
As for now I'm sticking with Nasani pending further investigation No he's not. He's the most scummy player in this game, yet no one has the balls to say it yet. No he's not. Also wrong. Obvious bandwagon is obvious. I'll never vote Nisani JUST BECAUSE people are using faulty logic to get someone lynched. So what you're saying is you're waiting for Mig to tell you what to do? On July 22 2011 16:47 VarysTheSpider wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 16:22 Kurumi wrote:
why the heck varys says mig is the most pro town 1)Because he made really good analysis of RedFF (before it would have been advantage to mafia) who turned out to be scum 2) He made another analysis on nisani201 who is one of my top suspects currently 3) All of his posts that I have read so far seem pretty pro town, and he has posted more than almost anyone else in the thread. the only strike i could see that was against him was operation honeypot thing, which i personally found the data inconclusive (pretty sure there are ways to manipulate these numbers and people were looking into it) and it also didn't even point directly at him but him and/or wiggles. Quality > Quantity
Would any townie be so blind as to just follow someone because they post a lot? Well I should just post 20 more times and Varys will start voting alongside of me.
Mig, the ringleader himself. We somehow allowed him to skate through the game yelling, ranting, bitching, moaning, and "proving" scum. Redff was an obvious scum when he insisted on continuously beating the dead horse. He got stuck in a defense battle and it was becoming increasingly obvious he was scum. It would be wise to establish town cred if you threw your team mate under the bus when he was already down for the count. Did anybody think mafia would come to his rescue after he was spilling red everywhere?
Mig has also been pretty active in PM land from my guesses. I spoke to him a little on Day 1, but I guess I wasn't telling him enough [sorry, I don't claim in PM's]. People have been openly trusting him, which is a PM NO-NO. If you contacted Mig, now would probably be the time to speak up and go through everything you told him.
I am making a public appeal for all players who are suspicious of PALMAR, VARYS, AND MIG to go through the thread and reread everything they posted. If you contacted them via PM go through what they were talking about again. Consider going through Nisani's posts again. You will find that he's not as scummy as you might think. The idea has been planted that he's scummy by a few people. The rest of you need to make a decision that will benefit the town. If you still want to vote Nisani then I won't stop you. The best lynch today is Palmar, following by Varys and then Mig. Actually if you're a vigi you should just shoot him, he's clearly not helping the town. His posting is just lurking with style. Like a fat chick in a tank top.
#vote: Palmar
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On July 22 2011 23:36 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 23:33 Jackal58 wrote:On July 22 2011 23:30 Palmar wrote:On July 22 2011 23:28 Jackal58 wrote:On July 22 2011 23:14 Palmar wrote:On July 22 2011 23:11 Jackal58 wrote:On July 22 2011 23:07 Palmar wrote:On July 22 2011 22:53 Amber[LighT] wrote:
By the way I'm convinced neither of them are 3rd party or scum. You guys are just using mob mentality to pressure players one by one. No, we're using logic to determine that they're lying scumbags. You crazy dog. I'm glad to hear you're using logic. That's much more effective than PMing people to tell them you're one of the II types in the game. I told you, that was a goddamn mistake, unfortunate choice of words. Jackal, you troll so much in mafia games it's sometimes hard to understand what you're trying to achieve. I guess that's a good trait for mafia. Not trolling anybody man. I assumed you were. But as of now nobody else appears to have received a PM from you admitting you're one of the traitors.. Jackal, why do you do this, just when I call you out for trolling you write another post that's a blatant troll. Are you trying to ruin town atmosphere? You look pretty damn scummy right now. How the hell do I look scummy informing town that you sent me a PM informing me you are an Insane Inmate? And then immediately say Oh that was a mistake when I call bullshit on it? Jackal, stop trolling please, we're discussing important things here man.
We are. Apparently you don't much care for being one of the important items under discussion.
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hi amber
webchat.quakenet.org
#loonybin
Now you can share information too, hope you don't feel left out. Varys isn't even in there!
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Amber I like how redff was obvious scum, yet you didnt vote for him? Or VE? That is quite interesting.
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Also, Varys could well be scum, but if you really wanna scumhunt, you should join us on irc amber.
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United States4714 Posts
Also amber you want to talk about a complete 180 for how someone is playing. Take a look at your own play. Have you posted an opinion this entire game before now? Have you done any scum hunting whatsoever before this post? You had what 7 posts day 1? And they all discussed game mechanics? Where is the normal amber who scum hunts. I can recall mafia 39 you lurked hard day 1 and chaoser caught you immediately because of it.
Btw if I am the ring leader why are you voting palmar instead of me?
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youngminii
So, I've mostly been trolling around since I initially called out rol on lying, which was followed by realizing deconduo is a lying fucker too. We have discussed this at length, and the conclusion reached is that the third parties will take care of themselves, they are no worry of ours.
This is a game of mafia vs town, and I think youngminii is mafia.
Here are some gems hidden in his posting history.
First of all, let's start with something relatively minor.
On July 18 2011 20:49 youngminii wrote:
deconduo why are you fosing RoL but not voting him?
are you trying to hide your voting patterns? are you just faking pressure against a scum buddy?
if you're scumhunting there's absolutely no reason why you'd say "big fos on you" without a vote to back it up, unless you already had a vote somewhere else
suspicious suspicious
this is just a contradiction, he does exactly the thing he's calling out deconduo for. Interesting!
YM then enters an interesting journey of arguing about the validity of PM messages. He's really arguing policies which is a great way to appear like you're contributing if you're scum. And while PM messages should be used with care, they are also a great tool for town if used to just bounce ideas and come up with good conclusions, something we have been doing in a public IRC channel for a while.
Here is one little gem:
On July 18 2011 22:00 youngminii wrote:okay you look pretty green unvoting but will keep an eye on you in case you completely vanish into pms 
This is just an example of how wishy washy youngminii has been in this game, but hold on, the big stuff is at the bottom of this analysis.
On July 19 2011 09:14 youngminii wrote:
WHO ARE YOU AND WHY ARE YOU SO SMART
i'd totally be up for that (i don't really have an opinion of anyone being scum yet) but i dunno how well i can analyze clues
Making friends at this point in the game, cool.
Now, ym's weird "I semi-want-to-kill-redFF-but-I'm-sticking-with-RoL" has already been discussed. YM really wanted to distance himself from redFF without outright bussing him.
On July 20 2011 02:39 youngminii wrote:
i now believe redff is town
i honestly can't see any scum being THAT bad
he's so indecisive and posts so many one liners
i just, i don't think i've ever seen scum play like that, it just doesn't make sense
it looks more like drazerk back in his first game or two when he used to martyr himself for no reason
VOTE ROL
SCUM
But this is my favourite part, YM hasn't done any actuall scumhunting or analysis in the game, he has simply wobbled along, hopped whatever looked smart and then just... done nothing. Does anyone actually know what lynch YM is pushing at the moment? He's just randomly calling people 3rd parties, or parroting the whole notasmurf fiasco.
I really, really think YM deserves to be the one who dies tonight, he said like 3-5 times he was very suspicious of redFF, yet he didn't help us sway the vote over to him, he has hardly fos'd anyone with proper effort in the game.
The nisani case is strong, YM's case is strong, he should hang.
I reiterate:
youngminii is scum
##Vote youngminii
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United Kingdom31255 Posts
I feel the reasons against YM have the most merit towards them at the moment. He turned his back on his own views and has been acting suspicious all game.
as for the 201 bandwagon, I still think he is a possible scum target as he still refuses to give out as much data as he can do which hurts town more than he thinks it does but for now my vote falls to YM.
##vote: Youngminii
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I want to vote for RoL again but at this point that's a wasted move. Nisani and his mutually supportive dance of defense on redFF get's my vote today.
Right now I am very leery of any agenda that Palmar is pushing.
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BTW, I think we should vig whoever doesn't get hanged between YM and nisani
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I think we should hang Insani201 and then we nominate 1-2 targets for vigs this night. I don't think youngminii is a good lync/vig target.
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On July 23 2011 00:50 Jackal58 wrote:
I want to vote for RoL again but at this point that's a wasted move. Nisani and his mutually supportive dance of defense on redFF get's my vote today.
Right now I am very leery of any agenda that Palmar is pushing.
I might be giving the mafia too much credit (i thought redFF was too scummy to actually be scum), but I kind of doubt that scum would openly defend another scum under heat.
I've been having a lot trouble following all the PM/IRC conversations and operation honeypot etc., so I don't really understand exactly what the case against youngmini is. Can someone who was clearly and succinctly summarize it? I can't bring myself to simply take Palmar (of all people)'s word for it that it is the right decision.
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did you read my post up there?
Like just ignore for a second who wrote it, just read the quotes by YM, no one is this passionate about policies except for scum, he's far more passionate about them than actual scumhunting (something YM has done surprisingly little of).
You can distrust me all you want, people never trust me, even when I get like 3 scum hanged they still don't trust me.
But read the analysis with an open mind. Form your own decision.
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In all fairness Palmar, you tried to bus BOTH of your teammates in OUR first game. Don't try and get town-cred over how many scum you've gotten lynched...that number is - not indicative of your skill as a scumhunter. 
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That's just how good I am at mafia, I kill scum no matter what team I'm on.
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except when I'm a vigi
That's when I kill cops
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Wonder where Supersoft and creamybutter have disappeared to?
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