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StarStruck
25339 Posts
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Eleaven
772 Posts
On July 17 2011 00:57 Catch]22 wrote: I like kelly because she's a breath of fresh air, does that make me a libido driven douche? I don't think the poster your quoting was implying anything negative about her viewers at all | ||
Puzzled
Canada6 Posts
On July 17 2011 00:08 Eleaven wrote: :S Does it really matter what gender the characters are in a story? i don't care that lara croft is female, and all her male companions are blithering idiots, it's just standard western storytelling at it's cheesiest. And that's what game storyline are, cheese clichés because games are about game play, and all the good story writers are being paid more money for writing films and books. Of course men are the norm in a military sci-fi game ;o statistically men outweight women in military roles by an absurd ratio. I'm not going to stop playing a game just because I don't like the character choices available to me, but for me, it matters quite a bit too. Kerrigan is a kick-ass strong character but my god, the other 'main' female character in SC2 needs a bullet to the whiny brain. And there's zero reason to throw the token female into the medic instead of into a battle unit like the banshee, the battlecruiser, etc. It's not going to keep me out but it is something I consciously noticed and that annoyed me, both in the campaign and on battlenet. I guess it's like a subliminal suggestion that I shouldn't be here, shootin' shit up. | ||
Discretionary Duck
148 Posts
On July 17 2011 00:49 StarStruck wrote: The reason why some people (including myself) are pissed off about Kelly is the fact she is shameless about using her sex to sell herself. How the heck you think she got where she is today? Other than schmoozing I don't know what she's really good at. She's always in your face and those kind of women are the most distracting and annoying. It's because she doesn't have the looks to naturally pull attraction, so has to resort to sexualization to get attention. It's like the slutwalk theory: + Show Spoiler + Why is it that the chicks who most loudly proclaim their sluttiness are ugly fatsos? For example, here are a couple pics from a Canadian (natch) protest by sluts who are offended that some policeman had the gall to suggest women bear some responsibility for not dressing in whorish outfits if they want to avoid catching the attention of potential rapists: Sez it all, really. Girls who are least attractive to men are the ones most eager to put out, and to advertise their efficiency of putting out. When you don’t have a pretty face or a nice figure, all you’ve got to snag some male attention is the wet hole smothered between your thunder thighs. Ostensibly, this march was about giving women the right to dress like sluts even though bad men with rape-y intentions roam the world. There’s no need to invoke blaming-the-victim like a kneejerk wind-up cuntbot every time someone notes the obvious connection between action and reaction. Young women dressed in revealing clothing walking around late at night in shady hoods are more likely to get raped than old women dressed conservatively who are at home after 10pm. While rapists are to blame for their crime and should be strung up by their balls, women bear some responsibility for minimizing the odds that they will inspire a rapist to do the dirty deed. But of course women, paraphrasing Jack Nicholson’s character in ‘As Good As It Gets’, wish to be blessedly free of the fun-killing constraints of reason and accountability. As we all know by now from reading this blog, rape is about sex primarily, and only secondarily about power, if it is about the latter at all. The boner doesn’t lie. A man has to be sexually aroused to commit rape. If it were about power, as the feminists like to claim, Donald Trump would pop wood every time he closed a deal, and Warren Buffett would jizz in his pants when his portfolio fattened. Judging by Buffett’s success, that would be a lot of jizz. As far as I can tell, no photos of Buffett exist with telltale jizz stains on his crotch. Women do need to be aware of their surroundings and the danger that men (particularly men of a certain caste), with their higher propensity to violence and sexual aggression, pose. This used to be common sense among womanhood for centuries. It is only in the past two generations that a bunch of put-upon dyke-lite broads in academia and the media have inculcated the opposite message in young women that they can do no wrong, have no obligation of personal responsibility, and should live in a world that caters to their need to behave however they see fit, free of consequence. Since it is a guarantee that some egregiously dumbass readers here will misinterpret the very clear line of thought laid out above, an analogy should help fix their muddled thinking. I make it a point to not blithely walk around at 2am in majority black, Latino, or otherwise poverty-stricken neighborhoods of whatever color, even if it would inconvenience me to practice this avoidance. I know, from simple observation and the collected wisdom of the masses, that doing so would increase my odds of getting mugged or killed. If I were mugged or killed, the perpetrators would bear full responsibility for their crime. I would hope they got the chair, pronto. Better still, bullets to the knees, followed by execution to the back of the head. And yet, I recognize that I can make smart or stupid decisions with regards to my safety, and that these decisions are solely within my power to effect. Women, you, too, need to reaffirm the wisdom of your ancestors, your grandmothers, and your great-grandmothers. Men are different from you. They do not think like you on some important matters, they do not feel like you when the throb of sexual urgency pulses, and they do not behave like you when their emotions gear up for action. You need to act accordingly. This is not “blaming the victim”. This is a call to accept reality for what it is. Denying reality means reality will automatically work against you. And when that happens, no street march in the world is gonna save you. *** On a related note to the slut march for freedom to pursue ridiculously easy feats of derring-do, here is an article in the New York Beta Times (All the beta that’s fit to cringe) which bolsters the Chateau maxim that women, not men, are the biggest misogynists. One day last winter Margarite posed naked before her bathroom mirror, held up her cellphone and took a picture. Then she sent the full-length frontal photo to Isaiah, her new boyfriend. Both were in eighth grade. They broke up soon after. A few weeks later, Isaiah forwarded the photo to another eighth-grade girl, once a friend of Margarite’s. Around 11 o’clock at night, that girl slapped a text message on it. “Ho Alert!” she typed. “If you think this girl is a whore, then text this to all your friends.” Then she clicked open the long list of contacts on her phone and pressed “send.” In less than 24 hours, the effect was as if Margarite, 14, had sauntered naked down the hallways of the four middle schools in this racially and economically diverse suburb of the state capital, Olympia. Hundreds, possibly thousands, of students had received her photo and forwarded it. Poor Margarite enshrined her love in a jpeg, and what was her punishment? The torments of her fellow sisters. A fusillade of female slut-shaming so cruel and unrelenting, Margarite was driven to living like a recluse. A quote from the Chateau post linked just above: Who deploys these words in vengeful anger and spiteful slander? Not men. For example, when men use the word “slut” it’s usually with their male buddies as an exercise in identifying the women most likely to put out on the first date. Men will almost never call a woman a slut to her face unless it’s a bitter, jilted ex-boyfriend looking to score points, nor will they tell the woman’s girlfriends that she is a slut. Why kill the loose goose that lays the golden lays? Women use them against other women. It’s women whispering gossip and innuendo in the ears of whatever female node on their social network is willing to listen, subconsciously calculating that the souldiss will find its way to the intended target. Why do they do this? Because sluts, whores, and skanks make it harder for other girls to use sex as a bargaining chip to extract commitment from quality men and keep it once it is made. Sluts are traitors to the sisterhood, undermining the prime directive and making it more difficult for the commitment whores to get what they want. The butt-ugly sluts in the Canadian march for slut rights should take heed: your worst traitors to the cause aren’t sensible policemen or those engaged in so-called anarchic thinking. It’s other women. Some of them even feminists. + Show Spoiler + The beauties are back strutting their stuff on the slut walk. Yeah, they do their thunderous waddle on the slut walk: I have news for this deluded bog creature. Sexy fattie is an oxymoron (emphasis on both the ox and moron). Interestingly, slutty fattie is not. Don’t bother trying to do pickup at a slut walk. You will rarely see a hot babe at one of these parades of misfits, and that’s not because she gets lost amongst the pillars of heaving blubber. You see, hot chicks, having high sexual market value, work hard to avoid being labeled a slut. The last thing they would want to do is associate their hottie hotness with a bunch of self-proclaimed sluts. A hot chick has no trouble getting the attention of alpha males, so she doesn’t need to advertise her sexual openness to lure men. In fact, she prefers to do just the opposite: play coy and project an aura of discriminating prudery so that the man who lands her feels she is a worthwhile long term investment. Fatties, cougars and fuglies, in contrast, take the opposite tack. They know that they won’t be turning men’s heads, so they rely on signaling their sexual promiscuity to capture some horny man with no other options. Advertising that they are an easy lay is a strategy that enables them to compete with better looking girls. Of course, it’s a myopic strategy, because most men who aren’t total losers will bolt as soon as they bust their nuts in the bloated vagina vortex of one of these wildebeests. But in the EEA (environment of evolutionary adaptation), an ugly broad needed to get sperm, and fertilization took priority over pair bonding. There is also the self-soothing psychological angle at work here. Beasts who love to brag about their sluttiness aren’t convincing others so much as they are convincing themselves of their imaginary desirability. A grrlpower slut walk is just the medicine for a lonely loser girl who’s spent one too many nights with her purple saguaro, which now vibrates in fear. She can bellow at the top of her lungs along with the rest of the sideshow freaks what a DYNAMIC and MAGNETIC piece of ass she is, and for that brief moment — that sweet afternoon escape on the streets of the city — she believes it, and her happiness swells as she fondly misremembers all those depressing, sloppy one night stands as some sort of twisted proof of her femininity and sexiness. This is the key to defeating feminism: separate the hotties from the uglies. Make it known in no uncertain terms that feminists are ugly, inside and out, and men are repulsed by them, and the hot chicks will feel burning shame and embarrassment to be connected with the dykes, rejects, careerist shrikes and spinsters who fuel the rancid ideology. There’s nothing like a threat to the ol’ SMV to get a person to sit up and take notice. | ||
nttea
Sweden4353 Posts
On July 17 2011 09:50 Puzzled wrote: I'm not going to stop playing a game just because I don't like the character choices available to me, but for me, it matters quite a bit too. Kerrigan is a kick-ass strong character but my god, the other 'main' female character in SC2 needs a bullet to the whiny brain. And there's zero reason to throw the token female into the medic instead of into a battle unit like the banshee, the battlecruiser, etc. It's not going to keep me out but it is something I consciously noticed and that annoyed me, both in the campaign and on battlenet. I guess it's like a subliminal suggestion that I shouldn't be here, shootin' shit up. errr... i think the banshee pilot is female :p | ||
Puzzled
Canada6 Posts
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lizzard_warish
589 Posts
On July 16 2011 23:43 Magenta wrote: Maybe this is a huge shock and jolt to you but: Men are the norm in the military. Women arent even allowed legally in any kind of frontline infantry role in a single military in the western world. Female spacemarine? Utterly implausible and would actually irritate me, because it would be blatant shmoozing [for a largely non existent demographic]. I have not read all comments here so bear with me if someone already made my point! There are several reasons why girls dont play videogames. One is that it is often frowned at when a girl plays, like she should have better things to do. Another is that wherever you go as a female games, alot of guys will treat you in i aweful way. I have been called so manny sexist things, people have ignored me and shut me out just cus im a girl, and that kind of attitude turns girls of and evetually we stay away from gaming communitys. Nowdays i play mostly with my only with my girlfirends. In sweden we have Team Geek Girl, a group for girls that wanna play StarCraft but dont know where to start och just have been treated badly when they tried to play multiplayer. I dont mean there have been trolls, but people how just seems to disslike girl gamers. Next thing is that the few girls that do get attention are usually very pretty but dont always know that much about games. That feeds the idea that girls dont play videogames, they just have to be pretty. Its is for an example very sad that Kellymilkies did those fotoshoots, because now she just another girl that proves that girls just have to look good, not be good at what they do. Im not saying that Kelly is bad, just that she gets more attention from her fotos than her shoutcasting. alos, mind you guys of TL, you can bee mighty sexist sometimes, saying this and that about "how girls are and are not". that does indeed turn girls away. however the biggest reason is that alot of gamedesign turn girls of. Im not saying make pink games. Just avoid gamedesign that will put girls of. Example, in the campain of Starcraft2. There are three major rolls for women. two who has some sort of realtion to the male lead. Why do women have to be justified by having a loverelation to a male? if blizzard where to feature a woman who was as much of a troll as Tychus, gamergirls would love it. Alow female characters to be more that just pretty, cus that does not give of much emotion. Girls wanna have big guns, kill zombies and be gritty, funny and ugly. That would make the female characters belivable. Today women in games are mostly there to be pretty. i would love to she female spacemarines for and example. (not damn medics!) I did and interview with Sam Didier, the lead art designer of StarCraft at the releaseparty of Starcraft2 and i asked him why there where so few female characters in the game. He answered that; We dont want to make females just cus they are females, the have to have a purpose. he pretty much put his finger on their problem. Women in games have to have a purpose for beeing women, whilst men just are the norm. | ||
Ocedic
United States1808 Posts
On July 17 2011 09:50 Puzzled wrote: I'm not going to stop playing a game just because I don't like the character choices available to me, but for me, it matters quite a bit too. Kerrigan is a kick-ass strong character but my god, the other 'main' female character in SC2 needs a bullet to the whiny brain. And there's zero reason to throw the token female into the medic instead of into a battle unit like the banshee, the battlecruiser, etc. It's not going to keep me out but it is something I consciously noticed and that annoyed me, both in the campaign and on battlenet. I guess it's like a subliminal suggestion that I shouldn't be here, shootin' shit up. Err, not that I necessarily disagree with you, but I don't see anything wrong with Ariel Hanson. If anything, she's a fairly realistic portrayal of a person with character flaws, opinions and personality. It's a breath of fresh air to have a female video game character who isn't wearing a form fitting suit and sharing sarcastic, witty banter with the male protagonist (which is the media's idea of a 'strong' female character.) On July 17 2011 10:30 lizzard_warish wrote: Maybe this is a huge shock and jolt to you but: Men are the norm in the military. Women arent even allowed legally in any kind of frontline infantry role in a single military in the western world. Female spacemarine? Utterly implausible and would actually irritate me, because it would be blatant shmoozing [for a largely non existent demographic]. This may be a huge shock to you, but StarCraft takes place in the future and things change in a lot in the future. Starship Troopers, which clearly influenced the Terran campaign of Brood War, had females fighting as infantry and showed women soldiers getting killed by the bugs in equally horrific ways as the men. | ||
lizzard_warish
589 Posts
edit: Nor is blizzard under some moral constraint to manipulate reality with pseudo excuses just to throw a chick in a suit. Its a ridiculous criticism. | ||
Ocedic
United States1808 Posts
On July 17 2011 10:39 lizzard_warish wrote: Yes, which was an equally implausible movie. I havent heard anything in the lore in starcraft about how the terran marine suit makes physical restrictions unimportant. Quite the contrary the marines are constantly portrayed as not only the insane and the degenerates of society, but as physically badass. Unless you want she-males leading the charge of the "fairer" gender, its not going to happen outside of cheesy B movies. edit: Nor is blizzard under some moral constraint to manipulate reality with pseudo excuses just to throw a chick in a suit. Its a ridiculous criticism. Yes because in the distant future it would just be unheard of for women to see combat, if soldiers were desperately needed they would still be clinging on to 21st century values that women are too fragile to see fighting. There are roles that aren't being on the frontlines. Is there any real reason a woman could not drive a Thor, Siege Tank or command a Battlecruiser? I mean, seriously, you just said Terrans employs convicts and degenerates in its army, but letting women fight would be just TOO out there. Lastly, you're forgetting the most important aspect which is that it's a fucking sci-fi game. Somehow you're bringing in modern day military issues into a game about fighting space aliens. Also note that I don't particularly care whether the game has females in what roles, but your reasoning for why women 'don't belong in the front lines' is stupid. | ||
Grr Arr Rawr
United States108 Posts
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Puzzled
Canada6 Posts
On July 17 2011 10:30 lizzard_warish wrote:Maybe this is a huge shock and jolt to you but: Men are the norm in the military. Women arent even allowed legally in any kind of frontline infantry role in a single military in the western world. Female spacemarine? Utterly implausible and would actually irritate me, because it would be blatant shmoozing [for a largely non existent demographic]. I imagine that its illegality would be a huge shock to New Zealand, Canada, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Norway, Israel, Serbia, Sweden and Switzerland as well. | ||
IzieBoy
United States865 Posts
On July 17 2011 09:50 Puzzled wrote: I'm not going to stop playing a game just because I don't like the character choices available to me, but for me, it matters quite a bit too. Kerrigan is a kick-ass strong character but my god, the other 'main' female character in SC2 needs a bullet to the whiny brain. And there's zero reason to throw the token female into the medic instead of into a battle unit like the banshee, the battlecruiser, etc. It's not going to keep me out but it is something I consciously noticed and that annoyed me, both in the campaign and on battlenet. I guess it's like a subliminal suggestion that I shouldn't be here, shootin' shit up. the banshee flyer is a woman... her helicopter is pretty awesome | ||
IzieBoy
United States865 Posts
On July 17 2011 10:48 Ocedic wrote: Yes because in the distant future it would just be unheard of for women to see combat, if soldiers were desperately needed they would still be clinging on to 21st century values that women are too fragile to see fighting. they have to be pure, chaste, domesticated, submissive, and stay away from the sphere of manliness. It's the Cult of True Womanhood. oh, they also have to feed our kids, clothe them, take them to school, work a second job so that we can go back to school, um and and have sex with us on a daily basis. god, it's great being a man. i think that covers it. PM me if i missed some. haha oh look up http://www.pinzler.com/ushistory/cultwo.html on a more serious note, things can change a lot in a few years, if we think it's worth changing. | ||
Falling
Canada10959 Posts
His article as found on Escapist regarding lack of games: Originally found at: A Male on Females on Female Characters Article spoilered to keep the post size down. + Show Spoiler + I didn't see you at PAX East this year, so I guess you didn't make it. Well, you managed to miss out on two-hour lines, paying three dollars for a fun-size bag of chips, and dudes dressed as Chun-Li. You also missed out on a panel run by our own Susan Arendt, Females on Female Characters, where a panel of prominent female gamers talked about female videogame characters. One surprise for me was that they didn't mind sexual pandering nearly as much as I expected. Their take on female characters was that it was fine for female characters to be obviously sexualized - as long as they have something else going for them. It turns out that I'm more bothered by sexual pandering than they are. It's not that I'm averse to the female form and its particular configuration of curves. (Big fan, actually.) It's just that I hate being treated like an idiot. It's like a toothpaste commercial that shows a guy attracting hot young women because he switched to the advertised brand. The message I get from the advertiser isn't, "Buy a tube of our tooth-cleansing goop," but, "We think you're stupid enough to believe that strange women will be dry-humping you on the subway if you buy this product." It's hard to enjoy something if you're left with the impression that the creator thinks you're a knuckle-dragging simpleton. Instead of being upset at sexual pandering, what seemed to really annoy the panelists was the general lack of female characters, particularly lead characters. As an experiment, my wife had a conversation with our daughters (ages 11 and 13) about this, going over the same topics that Susan covered in the panel. And the results were nearly identical. They wanted to play as a girl more often. They wanted female support characters to be more interesting and capable. They wouldn't be so irritated by the likes of Princess Peach and Princess Zelda if they could kick a little ass now and again. To paraphrase: If games are escapism, why do we always have to escape to a world where we're helpless, clueless, and witless? I ran though a list of titles and franchises I've played, bought, read about or ridiculed in the last couple of years. Observe: Alan Wake, Alpha Protocol, Assassin's Creed series, Bad Company series, Batman: Arkham Asylum, BioShock series, Bulletstorm, Call of Duty, Dante's Inferno, Dead Rising series, Dead Space Series, Dead to Rights series, Deus Ex Series, Duke Nukem series, Enslaved: Odyssey to the West, Gears of War, God of War Series, Grand Theft Auto Series, Half-Life Series, Halo Series, Homefront, InFamous, Kane & Lynch series, Killzone Series, Madworld, Max Payne Series, Mindjack, Modern Warfare Series, Nier, Painkiller, Prince of Persia Series, Prototype, Quake series, Red Dead Redemption, Red Faction series, Red Steel series, Resident Evil 4 and 5, Riddick series, Serious Sam series, Splatterhouse, Splinter Cell series, STALKER, Star Wars: The Force Unleashed series, the last 4 Silent Hill titles, Two Worlds Series, Unreal Tournament 3, The Witcher series... You get the idea. This is nowhere near a complete list. I basically came up with games until I got sick of it. All of the above are big-budget, high-profile games where you play as a guy. Sure, we have the occasional Lara Croft or Samus Aran, but they are tiny drops in the ocean of testosterone that is modern AAA gaming. Second page: + Show Spoiler + Oh but Shamus! Most gamers are guys so doesn't it make sense that most main characters are guys? I'm sure that's the same justification used by game designers, and it's silly. At the panel, the room was packed, the audience was predominantly female, and it was clear from their applause and cheering that these women were hungry for an experience that let them behave in a heroic way without requiring them to change genders. And if they did have to play as a man, they would at least prefer to not be humiliated by having the female support character be a useless doormat while all of the heroics and witty one-liners go to the man. If it really is too much to ask for a game to pander to women once in a while, can we at least get the games to stop actively alienating them? Yes, my list of games is full of male leads, but look at it again. It's not just that the main characters are men. It's that the main characters are young, white, American men. (Or at least, guys with American accents.) Even characters that should hail from the dark side (like the Persian Prince) end up in the "would be played by Ethan Hawke in the movie adaptation" part of the pigmentation spectrum. Take away the costumes, and the only thing that differentiates these characters is their haircuts. This is foolish. Even if you care nothing about diversity, even if you don't care about female gamers, even if you think that young white American males are the only force of good in the universe, you're still sabotaging your game by refusing to consider one of the many other sorts of human beings to be your protagonist. Publishers are always reminding us how important it is to come up with strong intellectual property. They want recognizable names and iconic characters to set themselves apart, but then they give their game yet another hero off the Doom Marine conveyor belt. BioWare gets points for letting us choose the appearance and gender of our protagonist in Dragon Age and Mass Effect, but then they lose those points by making the default box-cover characters a couple of generic white dudes. If nothing else, it would make sense to try and make a dude that didn't look like all the other box-cover dudes on the shelf. I know that the AAA games industry isn't considered a font of originality, but surely we can do better than this. The long and short of it is I would agree that games need not be 'turned pink,' but I would agree with Puzzled that there are far too few female characters and the ones that are present are often cardboard cutouts. And leaving aside the issue of whether females should be in the army, there are more places for characters than simply the marines. There was only ever one character shown as a marine- Tychus. Partially there weren't that many fleshed out characters to begin with... But this is a far bigger problem than simply StarCraft. The whole gaming industry and even the movie industry has remained pretty stuck in their ways with few notable exceptions (Alien is a very good example of a female character done right.) | ||
c0rn1
Germany146 Posts
Let's bring in a quota! At least 40% of all players in E-sports teams has to be female. Not matter the skill level but for the sake of equality and gender mainstreaming women CANNOT be worse than men in any aspect. "Women can compete equally in things such as politics but in gaming and sports they are at a disadvantage. Anything that involves reaction times, physical speed and strength men will excel at over women because men have evolved over millions of years as hunters." What he said at the beginning of this discussion. And luckily most women I talked to don't wanna go down that road for the next million years to become hunters as well. Because someone of us has to take the burden of giving birth in the end and I doubt that after a million years of switching positions men will be able to do so. cheers | ||
Discretionary Duck
148 Posts
Never Listen To A Woman By Roosh You’ve probably read my thoughts about not listening to a woman about dating or relationships, but now I’ve come to the conclusion that you shouldn’t listen to a woman about anything. I’ve observed almost no cases where a man’s status or position has been increased from following a woman’s advice or opinions, and it’s much more likely for him to be harmed from it. Within any topic a person’s level of expertise will likely fall within three categories: 1. Expert Status 2. Familiarity 3. Unqualified If I were to pick the topics that I’m an “expert” on, it would be game, American dating culture, and South American travel and dating culture. A conversation in any of those topics may have me teaching my audience some things since few others possess deeper experiences that match mine. I’m familiar in a handful of other topics, but with those it’s not uncommon for someone to know substantially more than me. I would gladly defer to another man’s more superior grasp of the subject matter by expressing humility and an open mind. I’m wholly unqualified to discuss things like monogamous relationships, maintaining a marriage, or sports. If those topics come up I completely shut my mouth and nod my head. The problem with Western women is they pretend they’re an expert on topics that they’re unqualified to talk about. Think for a minute about what the average American woman has expert status on. If she graduated from a regular university and works in the Human Resources department, for example, her expertise would be shuffling papers, conducting job interviews, talking on the telephone for long periods of time, flaking, text messaging, Kim Kardashian, and primetime television. She is probably familiar with dieting, fashion, and whatever subject she majored in college, and then she’s unqualified on everything else. Therefore if she’s trying to assert herself on those other topics, you can safely ignore every word that comes out of her mouth. A woman thinks after reading a couple articles on Huffington Post she’s qualified to jam public policy down your throat, or that she can competently discuss statecraft. She’ll go to Thailand or Argentina for a week, glance at the abject poverty, hear about a new microlending organization, and then all of a sudden think she’s an expert on geopolitical concerns. She’ll watch some news report on the environment and buy “green” products, urging you to do the same because she thinks she’s saving the world. She’ll read health articles in the New York Times and start making comments as if she’s a trained nutritionist. She’ll go on about the importance of feminism even though you may actually know more about the history of the movement than she does. The epitome of this overreach is your 35-year-old lonely spinster giving relationship advice when we all know the only relationships she’s qualified to discuss are those with felines. Even a girl’s opinions on friendship, a basic element of humanity, are completely useless. Just about all female friendships are poisoned with jealousy, envy, drama, frequent abandonment, and a neverending series of petty fights and backstabbing that leave the average man scratching his head about where all that anger and disloyalty is coming from. Personal attacks that would stun grown men are weekly occurences in female friendships. So what’s left? Well, if I’m on a date with a girl I will happily listen to her stories, observational comments, or experiences with a committed hobby she has worked hard on, but the moment she starts trying to preach or educate me on matters she has little true understanding on, I know she has gotten too big for her britches. Too many guys before me allowed her to ramble on about nonsense without telling her to shut the fuck up, and because of that she actually believes that she possesses wisdom or knows how to solve problems like men have done for centuries. If you peel back the layers of a modern woman, you’ll find that her life’s total education has little real-world application. It’s filled with liberal idealism and pop culture nonsense that has no positive bearing to you or any other man. Never ask a woman for advice on anything besides maybe fashion, and never let a woman influence you with her flawed and shockingly incomplete body of knowledge. Seek out a woman for her beauty, femininity, sexuality, and pleasing, low-maintenance personality, but not for her intelligence. The more of it she thinks she has, the more pompous bullshit you’ll have to put up with. | ||
BadgerBadger8264
Netherlands409 Posts
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Magenta
Sweden113 Posts
On July 17 2011 18:45 BadgerBadger8264 wrote: Can't read the entire thread, but if women want to be involved in e-sports, they absolutely can. The problem is, being a pro gamer is hard, and if you want to be a pro gamer you have got to earn it. If there are no women that are up to the task of playing 14 hours a day, then tough chance, you're not going to become a pro gamer. Period. Is that sexist? No, it's the complete opposite, anything but this would be sexist. The requirements are equal for both sexes, if you want to parttake you have to put in an equal amount of work. Why would we lower the bar for them? That would be sexism. i dont think lowering the bar would be usefull at all, but the thread is more about "why" girls dont play. There are several reasons to why its harder for manny girl to get into the esportscommunity. And of course, not as manny girls as guys want to play sc2, bu there are quite a few that wants to. | ||
sailorferret
United States66 Posts
Maybe this is a huge shock and jolt to you but: Men are the norm in the military. Women arent even allowed legally in any kind of frontline infantry role in a single military in the western world. Female spacemarine? Utterly implausible and would actually irritate me, because it would be blatant shmoozing [for a largely non existent demographic]. This is incredibly untrue. 1) Israel (which is considered Western) put women on the frontlines. 2) The United States put women on the frontlines in Iraq (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/26/world/americas/26iht-women.html) (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=13961298&ps=rs) (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jun/23/us-military-women-in-combat) So, sorry... fact check yourself before posting please... or give a cite for your inaccurate information instead of just asserting. | ||
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