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On August 15 2011 03:37 popdawg wrote:
true some people joined their fanclubs for their looks, but also joining female fanclubs promotes the female esport scene, if you don't like it get off, inb4 warning inb4 ban
This last part will likely earn you a ban, I recommend editing it out immediately and not martyring in future posts.
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The community could really do with a female role model that isn't a commentator, interviewer or wife/girlfriend/sister of a well known male player. A genuine "I want to be the best Sc2 player in the world bar none" women.
If a female gamer turned up with great mechanics and finished 3rd at the next dreamhack having fallen to some Korean pro and when interviewed about there performance said in Naniwa fashion "I'm disappointed with the result, I should of won the whole thing". Meanwhile between games strutting around with even more confidence than MC himself, it would go along, long, long way to ending a lot of negative perceptions of women in competitve gaming.
Unfortunately there does not appear to be any candidates for that on the immediate horizon. One can hope.
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I personally don't see the big deal, this is what happens when beautiful women get involved in anything in life.
About the mmo thing, personally in my experience, all the women I've met that play WoW flaunt it at any opportunity. Most women love to be in the limelight and most men love to put them there. And the world keeps turning.
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End of the day, you want players to actually be good. When people get large followings without being good, it hurts the general sense of fairness. I'd be happy with more diversity in esports, but certainly not at the expense of player ability. I'd expect any woman who is given entry to a team or event to be just as good as any man given the same opportunity.
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You can't go around calling people idiots when you make the assertion that everyone can take the heat regardless of their gender. I'm not a psychologist so I don't know, but maybe men can "take the heat" more easily than women, in general.
I don't know why one would assume that we're exactly the same in that regard even though it does seem like we're not.
I am actually not saying that at all. I said that some people can and some people cannot but gender is not the dividing line. I have met plenty of women who are more competitive than I am and plenty of men who are less so. Also people are competitive in different ways. I happen to be an excellent cook, you say you can do anything in the kitchen better than me, it's a challenge and you had better be able to back it up. By the same token as I have always lived in large cities I never learned how to drive so if someone brags that they're a kickass driver it doesn't kick my competitive drives into gear.
I'm not at all saying we're all the same, I'm actually saying in this regard we're all more different than anything that can be as easily divided as male and female.
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On August 15 2011 03:44 ICarrotU wrote:
I personally don't see the big deal, this is what happens when beautiful women get involved in anything in life.
About the mmo thing, personally in my experience, all the women I've met that play WoW flaunt it at any opportunity. Most women love to be in the limelight and most men love to put them there. And the world keeps turning.
The saddest thing about women in MMOs is the number of them that perpetuate all of the bad female gamer stereotypes. I got so fed up with women who didn't know jack about how to play but would flirt with guys to get better gear and stuff. I had women try to flirt with me to get raid slots! Only thing worse than the misogynist pigs in gaming culture are these dolt women who make the decent ones look bad.
I actually went off on a woman on another site because she complained about people being mean to her in dungeons. She had played a hunter to 60, but somehow still didn't understand even the basics of her class when she started a new hunter (rolled on int/spirit leather or took cloth gear just because it had a higher armor value than what she was wearing), but she was "too busy" to go google her class and learn the proper ways to gear her toons.
Anyway, sorry for the tangent. I detest women like that. I will say this much about SC2, it's a lot harder for women to behave that way in this game and it makes me happy. I can simply work hard, play better, have fun, and earn the rewards I get and it will never be because I have a vagina.
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I think it's probably a dividing line to a certain extent. I could be wrong, but I don't think I'm dumb for considering it.
Men are stronger than women but some women can destroy me at arm wrestling. Obviously, men are stronger than women in general anyway. Just because you met women who are more competitive than men doesn't completely break the correlation - it just means that some people are off the charts.
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not surprising, women are severely underrepresented in all hard sciences, mathematical sciences, and the higher up you go, this figure only rings more true. even in cultures where there is not significant stigma against women joining these fields, they still don't perform as well as guys do (at the top echelon anyways).
yet on the other hand women perform better on average than men academically as a whole (higher mean/median) K-12, have higher graduation rates from college, and way more represented in other fields (law, medicine, etc...)
probably something to do with behavior moreso than intelligence -- women are less obsessive about one particular thing (to the exclusion of everything else), which is a really important factor in these types of things.
it's pretty ridiculous to expect identical outcomes in all areas of life between genders, there are differences between the two (not huge, but even small differences can have big consequences).
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On August 15 2011 04:43 Djzapz wrote:
I think it's probably a dividing line to a certain extent. I could be wrong, but I don't think I'm dumb for considering it.
Men are stronger than women but some women can destroy me at arm wrestling. Obviously, men are stronger than women in general anyway. Just because you met women who are more competitive than men doesn't completely break the correlation - it just means that some people are off the charts.
By the way I didn't say anyone who believed there was a disparity in competitive drives was an idiots, I said anybody who thinks there is one singular reason there are more men than women in esports is an idiot. As far as that correlation, I'm still waiting on anybody to offer real data to support that. Until then, it's all a lot of assumptions and we all build our own opinions and assumptions based on our own experiences.
edited to fix a typo. I can't help it, WhiteRa is on so I'm distracted,
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