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On July 17 2011 08:10 mTw|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2011 08:08 wats0n wrote:On July 17 2011 08:06 mTw|NarutO wrote:On July 17 2011 08:04 wats0n wrote:On July 17 2011 08:00 HarryKlein wrote:On July 17 2011 07:45 Liquid`TLO wrote:
I wont be dishonest, when I see a bad game. Both players did about 30 mistakes, horrible macro, worse decision... deal with it. LOL! That is not the point! U were just totally unmannered and one sided. So many people point out Goody's mistakes on streams but it is kinda "friendly" (Take, Cloud, Darkforce, Naruto, HasuObs...) Even though they criticize him, they show respect for his playstyle and his achievements. But you just sounded like someone who is rly pissed, about Goody's success. He complimented Goody's opening, his thor pushes, and his hellion defense. Seems like you and Naruto are just upset that he is pointing out Goody's mistakes. Have you ever heard me casting a GoOdy game? I do point out his mistakes and I make a bit o fun of him as well. But I do not completely ignore the right decisions in the game and I do not ignore the mistakes of the other person. It was Strelok's game to lose, if you like it or not. If you want to bash on someone - bash on Strelok - he threw the game away BESIDES GoOdy not playing his A-Game. As I said, TLO didn't ignore Goody's right decisions. He pointed out his opening, his hellion defense, and his thor pushes. That was a unique game with a lot of mistakes so you can't be mad at TLO for pointing them out. That's his job. You act like I don't understand anything about the game. But I'll just leave you with your opinion. I would have commented the game in a very different way even though I would have pointed out GoOdy's mistakes. He is a very humorous guy and even he complains about the casting - so what do you think?
You come off as a guy that is friends with Goody and is upset that TLO was honest about Goody's play. That game was ugly. From both players. Why shouldn't TLO call it as he sees it? Nothing was wrong with what he said.
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On July 17 2011 08:12 lunchforthesky wrote:
Find me 5 players who have won as many of them as goody. Since "every EU player" meets this criterion you should have no trouble.
Nerchio, Dimaga, Kas, Happy, Strelok, Morrow.
But Nerchio and Happy have never won any big tournament. That means they suck.
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On July 17 2011 08:10 mTw|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2011 08:08 wats0n wrote:On July 17 2011 08:06 mTw|NarutO wrote:On July 17 2011 08:04 wats0n wrote:On July 17 2011 08:00 HarryKlein wrote:On July 17 2011 07:45 Liquid`TLO wrote:
I wont be dishonest, when I see a bad game. Both players did about 30 mistakes, horrible macro, worse decision... deal with it. LOL! That is not the point! U were just totally unmannered and one sided. So many people point out Goody's mistakes on streams but it is kinda "friendly" (Take, Cloud, Darkforce, Naruto, HasuObs...) Even though they criticize him, they show respect for his playstyle and his achievements. But you just sounded like someone who is rly pissed, about Goody's success. He complimented Goody's opening, his thor pushes, and his hellion defense. Seems like you and Naruto are just upset that he is pointing out Goody's mistakes. Have you ever heard me casting a GoOdy game? I do point out his mistakes and I make a bit o fun of him as well. But I do not completely ignore the right decisions in the game and I do not ignore the mistakes of the other person. It was Strelok's game to lose, if you like it or not. If you want to bash on someone - bash on Strelok - he threw the game away BESIDES GoOdy not playing his A-Game. As I said, TLO didn't ignore Goody's right decisions. He pointed out his opening, his hellion defense, and his thor pushes. That was a unique game with a lot of mistakes so you can't be mad at TLO for pointing them out. That's his job. You act like I don't understand anything about the game. But I'll just leave you with your opinion. I would have commented the game in a very different way even though I would have pointed out GoOdy's mistakes. He is a very humorous guy and even he complains about the casting - so what do you think?
I don't think that I act like you don't understand anything. Sorry if it feels like that. I think you defend Goody against a lot of stupid comments because people say stupid things and this was just one situation where TLO appeared to be bm to Goody but he was really just doing his job. His comments were truthful.
For the record, Goody is clearly one of the best players in Europe. The people that argue against that are morons.
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On July 17 2011 08:12 Shockk wrote:
This discussion is completely getting out of control. While there may have been some room for discussion regarding Goody's reaction and the cast (mind you, SOME, not a lot), what's currently going on here is ridiculous. The Goody haters should show some more respect, and the people actually daring to trash-talk Chill/TLO (I'm looking at you, Norseman) should quickly stop posting in this manner and in this thread.
Focus on the games, and be happy we have a promising final inbound.
Yeah, my first draft was a bit harsh. I edited it and lightened up a bit.
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On July 17 2011 08:12 TBO wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2011 08:10 mTw|NarutO wrote:On July 17 2011 08:08 wats0n wrote:On July 17 2011 08:06 mTw|NarutO wrote:On July 17 2011 08:04 wats0n wrote:On July 17 2011 08:00 HarryKlein wrote:On July 17 2011 07:45 Liquid`TLO wrote:
I wont be dishonest, when I see a bad game. Both players did about 30 mistakes, horrible macro, worse decision... deal with it. LOL! That is not the point! U were just totally unmannered and one sided. So many people point out Goody's mistakes on streams but it is kinda "friendly" (Take, Cloud, Darkforce, Naruto, HasuObs...) Even though they criticize him, they show respect for his playstyle and his achievements. But you just sounded like someone who is rly pissed, about Goody's success. He complimented Goody's opening, his thor pushes, and his hellion defense. Seems like you and Naruto are just upset that he is pointing out Goody's mistakes. Have you ever heard me casting a GoOdy game? I do point out his mistakes and I make a bit o fun of him as well. But I do not completely ignore the right decisions in the game and I do not ignore the mistakes of the other person. It was Strelok's game to lose, if you like it or not. If you want to bash on someone - bash on Strelok - he threw the game away BESIDES GoOdy not playing his A-Game. As I said, TLO didn't ignore Goody's right decisions. He pointed out his opening, his hellion defense, and his thor pushes. That was a unique game with a lot of mistakes so you can't be mad at TLO for pointing them out. That's his job. You act like I don't understand anything about the game. But I'll just leave you with your opinion. I would have commented the game in a very different way even though I would have pointed out GoOdy's mistakes. He is a very humorous guy and even he complains about the casting - so what do you think? It's pretty funny that you with your flaming and insulting background (remember especially back in Broodwar towards dario) whine so much about an maybe harsh but pretty objective critic of the gameplay (and not the person like you like to do so much) of a single game.
And I am sure you are entirely objective given you are TLO's brother!
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On July 17 2011 08:12 lunchforthesky wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2011 08:06 city42 wrote:On July 17 2011 08:04 lunchforthesky wrote:On July 17 2011 08:00 city42 wrote:On July 17 2011 07:59 lunchforthesky wrote:On July 17 2011 07:57 city42 wrote:On July 17 2011 07:55 lunchforthesky wrote:On July 17 2011 07:52 iMonAhorsE wrote:On July 17 2011 07:51 KvltMan wrote:On July 17 2011 07:47 lunchforthesky wrote:
When Tastosis talk about theBestfou drunk driving banshee's it's really funny, when TLO laughs at Goody's macro, queuing units, energy on his CC, low APM etc.. it's BM. Standard TL poster logic. On July 17 2011 07:47 Daralii wrote:
Wouldn't it be worse if they were overlooking GoOdy's mistakes just because of who he is? If you criticize a player, they can learn to improve. This, essentially. GoOdy triumphs because of his unique style, but he will not be able to live off that forever, it's obvious that he has some issues with his macro, and it's something that people shouldn't ignore simply because his style is unique or because he can swing lost games around. Bad macro is bad macro, and getting it pointed out to you is nothing to be upset about. this is was people say since beta xD Let's not pretend Goodys been winning tournament. He's an average EU Pro, who's known for his unique style but results wise, there's nothing to write home about. The hell? He has won a ton of tournaments. Check the accomplishments on his TLPD page, and compare them to those of TLO. EU weeklys mean nothing. Every EU player has a shit load of $100 tournament wins because there's like 10 a week. Oh ok, then you should have no problem finding me 5 EU players who have won more of them. Since he is an "average EU pro," there should be at least 30 guys who are more accomplished. European Players who have achieved more than Goody at tournaments which matter: Thorzain, Naniwa, Hasu Obs, Socke, Morrow, Sase, Ret, TLO, White Ra, Dimaga, Naama, Mana, Kas. I'm sure I've missed some people. Nice attempt at dodging, but let's get back to what I asked for. You claim that "Every EU player has a shitload of $100 tournament wins." Find me 5 players who have won as many of them as goody. Since "every EU player" meets this criterion you should have no trouble. Nerchio, Dimaga, Kas, Happy, Strelok, Morrow.
Ehm u didnt read. None of those but Nerchio have a lot of Cup wins or same amount like GoOdy
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On July 17 2011 08:14 Leviance wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2011 08:12 lunchforthesky wrote:On July 17 2011 08:06 city42 wrote:On July 17 2011 08:04 lunchforthesky wrote:On July 17 2011 08:00 city42 wrote:On July 17 2011 07:59 lunchforthesky wrote:On July 17 2011 07:57 city42 wrote:On July 17 2011 07:55 lunchforthesky wrote:On July 17 2011 07:52 iMonAhorsE wrote:On July 17 2011 07:51 KvltMan wrote:
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This, essentially. GoOdy triumphs because of his unique style, but he will not be able to live off that forever, it's obvious that he has some issues with his macro, and it's something that people shouldn't ignore simply because his style is unique or because he can swing lost games around. Bad macro is bad macro, and getting it pointed out to you is nothing to be upset about. this is was people say since beta xD Let's not pretend Goodys been winning tournament. He's an average EU Pro, who's known for his unique style but results wise, there's nothing to write home about. The hell? He has won a ton of tournaments. Check the accomplishments on his TLPD page, and compare them to those of TLO. EU weeklys mean nothing. Every EU player has a shit load of $100 tournament wins because there's like 10 a week. Oh ok, then you should have no problem finding me 5 EU players who have won more of them. Since he is an "average EU pro," there should be at least 30 guys who are more accomplished. European Players who have achieved more than Goody at tournaments which matter: Thorzain, Naniwa, Hasu Obs, Socke, Morrow, Sase, Ret, TLO, White Ra, Dimaga, Naama, Mana, Kas. I'm sure I've missed some people. Nice attempt at dodging, but let's get back to what I asked for. You claim that "Every EU player has a shitload of $100 tournament wins." Find me 5 players who have won as many of them as goody. Since "every EU player" meets this criterion you should have no trouble. Nerchio, Dimaga, Kas, Happy, Strelok, Morrow. But Nerchio and Happy have never won any big tournament. That means they suck.
They're definitely not top players I agree. They're just ladder/online tourney kings like a lot of Europeans. As Happy and Kas showed at Dreamhack that doesn't mean a thing when the proper pro's turn up.
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On July 17 2011 08:08 Norseman wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2011 07:45 Liquid`TLO wrote:
I wont be dishonest, when I see a bad game. Both players did about 30 mistakes, horrible macro, worse decision... deal with it. Yeah, casters have a resonsibility to be impartial. By all means they should comment on what's going on, but belitting the entire match like that is just poor caster-ship. Your job is to make the match exciting and fun to watch. Do you think they brought you in to bash players as they play? I hope you enjoy casting this, because with unprofessional stataments like this and child-like insults during a game I doubt you'll be asked to cast again. If nothing else you should respect the fact he's in the finals of the tournament you were brought in to cast. Again, point out all the bad you like, but when you attack the players or the match as a whole you're doing the exact opposite thing you were brought in to do. I can't speak for others, but I've always had a lot of respect for you. You're better than this kind of petty crap.
agree. those 200+ apm players can't stand the fact, that goody has reasonable success with quite mediocre mechanics. Seems like they do not even perceive the meta-level where goody excels at =). strelok over-expanded, goody responded by not expanding at all. an expansion is ahuge investment, it takes several minutes until it pays off.
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On July 17 2011 08:14 Leviance wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2011 08:12 lunchforthesky wrote:On July 17 2011 08:06 city42 wrote:On July 17 2011 08:04 lunchforthesky wrote:On July 17 2011 08:00 city42 wrote:On July 17 2011 07:59 lunchforthesky wrote:On July 17 2011 07:57 city42 wrote:On July 17 2011 07:55 lunchforthesky wrote:On July 17 2011 07:52 iMonAhorsE wrote:On July 17 2011 07:51 KvltMan wrote:
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This, essentially. GoOdy triumphs because of his unique style, but he will not be able to live off that forever, it's obvious that he has some issues with his macro, and it's something that people shouldn't ignore simply because his style is unique or because he can swing lost games around. Bad macro is bad macro, and getting it pointed out to you is nothing to be upset about. this is was people say since beta xD Let's not pretend Goodys been winning tournament. He's an average EU Pro, who's known for his unique style but results wise, there's nothing to write home about. The hell? He has won a ton of tournaments. Check the accomplishments on his TLPD page, and compare them to those of TLO. EU weeklys mean nothing. Every EU player has a shit load of $100 tournament wins because there's like 10 a week. Oh ok, then you should have no problem finding me 5 EU players who have won more of them. Since he is an "average EU pro," there should be at least 30 guys who are more accomplished. European Players who have achieved more than Goody at tournaments which matter: Thorzain, Naniwa, Hasu Obs, Socke, Morrow, Sase, Ret, TLO, White Ra, Dimaga, Naama, Mana, Kas. I'm sure I've missed some people. Nice attempt at dodging, but let's get back to what I asked for. You claim that "Every EU player has a shitload of $100 tournament wins." Find me 5 players who have won as many of them as goody. Since "every EU player" meets this criterion you should have no trouble. Nerchio, Dimaga, Kas, Happy, Strelok, Morrow. But Nerchio and Happy have never won any big tournament. That means they suck.
Lol, that gave me a good laugh. Nice comment
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On July 17 2011 08:14 Leviance wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2011 08:12 lunchforthesky wrote:On July 17 2011 08:06 city42 wrote:On July 17 2011 08:04 lunchforthesky wrote:On July 17 2011 08:00 city42 wrote:On July 17 2011 07:59 lunchforthesky wrote:On July 17 2011 07:57 city42 wrote:On July 17 2011 07:55 lunchforthesky wrote:On July 17 2011 07:52 iMonAhorsE wrote:On July 17 2011 07:51 KvltMan wrote:
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This, essentially. GoOdy triumphs because of his unique style, but he will not be able to live off that forever, it's obvious that he has some issues with his macro, and it's something that people shouldn't ignore simply because his style is unique or because he can swing lost games around. Bad macro is bad macro, and getting it pointed out to you is nothing to be upset about. this is was people say since beta xD Let's not pretend Goodys been winning tournament. He's an average EU Pro, who's known for his unique style but results wise, there's nothing to write home about. The hell? He has won a ton of tournaments. Check the accomplishments on his TLPD page, and compare them to those of TLO. EU weeklys mean nothing. Every EU player has a shit load of $100 tournament wins because there's like 10 a week. Oh ok, then you should have no problem finding me 5 EU players who have won more of them. Since he is an "average EU pro," there should be at least 30 guys who are more accomplished. European Players who have achieved more than Goody at tournaments which matter: Thorzain, Naniwa, Hasu Obs, Socke, Morrow, Sase, Ret, TLO, White Ra, Dimaga, Naama, Mana, Kas. I'm sure I've missed some people. Nice attempt at dodging, but let's get back to what I asked for. You claim that "Every EU player has a shitload of $100 tournament wins." Find me 5 players who have won as many of them as goody. Since "every EU player" meets this criterion you should have no trouble. Nerchio, Dimaga, Kas, Happy, Strelok, Morrow. But Nerchio and Happy have never won any big tournament. That means they suck.
I do think Nerchio and Happy are a bit overrated by some on here. They are good players, for sure. But they aren't at the top yet. They just haven't proven themselves completely yet.
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Were the games just shown out of order?
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On July 17 2011 08:14 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2011 08:10 mTw|NarutO wrote:On July 17 2011 08:08 wats0n wrote:On July 17 2011 08:06 mTw|NarutO wrote:On July 17 2011 08:04 wats0n wrote:On July 17 2011 08:00 HarryKlein wrote:On July 17 2011 07:45 Liquid`TLO wrote:
I wont be dishonest, when I see a bad game. Both players did about 30 mistakes, horrible macro, worse decision... deal with it. LOL! That is not the point! U were just totally unmannered and one sided. So many people point out Goody's mistakes on streams but it is kinda "friendly" (Take, Cloud, Darkforce, Naruto, HasuObs...) Even though they criticize him, they show respect for his playstyle and his achievements. But you just sounded like someone who is rly pissed, about Goody's success. He complimented Goody's opening, his thor pushes, and his hellion defense. Seems like you and Naruto are just upset that he is pointing out Goody's mistakes. Have you ever heard me casting a GoOdy game? I do point out his mistakes and I make a bit o fun of him as well. But I do not completely ignore the right decisions in the game and I do not ignore the mistakes of the other person. It was Strelok's game to lose, if you like it or not. If you want to bash on someone - bash on Strelok - he threw the game away BESIDES GoOdy not playing his A-Game. As I said, TLO didn't ignore Goody's right decisions. He pointed out his opening, his hellion defense, and his thor pushes. That was a unique game with a lot of mistakes so you can't be mad at TLO for pointing them out. That's his job. You act like I don't understand anything about the game. But I'll just leave you with your opinion. I would have commented the game in a very different way even though I would have pointed out GoOdy's mistakes. He is a very humorous guy and even he complains about the casting - so what do you think? You come off as a guy that is friends with Goody and is upset that TLO was honest about Goody's play. That game was ugly. From both players. Why shouldn't TLO call it as he sees it? Nothing was wrong with what he said.
I'm on friendly terms with both of them, but as I said. I'm out of the discussion.
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We can sum it up like this:
You guys bash GoOdy, go for it. List the reason he's bad, list the mistakes he made. Point out the silly decisions he makes as well. You should all get a nice big list of all these things.
While you're doing that I'll be watching him play, and win, in the Finals.
Have fun!
gg wp
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Hope Hack will not all in tank/marines/banshee, it is awful...
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On July 17 2011 08:18 intense33 wrote:
Hope Hack will not all in tank/marines/banshee, it is awful...
Wont happen cause u dont build a second rax with that build
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On July 17 2011 08:17 Norseman wrote:
We can sum it up like this:
You guys bash GoOdy, go for it. List the reason he's bad, list the mistakes he made. Point out the silly decisions he makes as well. You should all get a nice big list of all these things.
While you're doing that I'll be watching him play, and win, in the Finals.
Have fun!
gg wp
Goody will not beat either of these Koreans.
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Mule micro, holy crap, that's new
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Wow, NexHack is pretty awesome for doing that...
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Wow Hack, that's the definition of "it's the little things that count".
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