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On July 17 2011 08:00 HarryKlein wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2011 07:45 Liquid`TLO wrote:
I wont be dishonest, when I see a bad game. Both players did about 30 mistakes, horrible macro, worse decision... deal with it. LOL! That is not the point! U were just totally unmannered and one sided. So many people point out Goody's mistakes on streams but it is kinda "friendly" (Take, Cloud, Darkforce, Naruto, HasuObs...) Even though they criticize him, they show respect for his playstyle and his achievements. But you just sounded like someone who is rly pissed, about Goody's success.
He complimented Goody's opening, his thor pushes, and his hellion defense. Seems like you and Naruto are just upset that he is pointing out Goody's mistakes.
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On July 17 2011 08:00 city42 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2011 07:59 lunchforthesky wrote:On July 17 2011 07:57 city42 wrote:On July 17 2011 07:55 lunchforthesky wrote:On July 17 2011 07:52 iMonAhorsE wrote:On July 17 2011 07:51 KvltMan wrote:On July 17 2011 07:47 lunchforthesky wrote:
When Tastosis talk about theBestfou drunk driving banshee's it's really funny, when TLO laughs at Goody's macro, queuing units, energy on his CC, low APM etc.. it's BM. Standard TL poster logic. On July 17 2011 07:47 Daralii wrote:
Wouldn't it be worse if they were overlooking GoOdy's mistakes just because of who he is? If you criticize a player, they can learn to improve. This, essentially. GoOdy triumphs because of his unique style, but he will not be able to live off that forever, it's obvious that he has some issues with his macro, and it's something that people shouldn't ignore simply because his style is unique or because he can swing lost games around. Bad macro is bad macro, and getting it pointed out to you is nothing to be upset about. this is was people say since beta xD Let's not pretend Goodys been winning tournament. He's an average EU Pro, who's known for his unique style but results wise, there's nothing to write home about. The hell? He has won a ton of tournaments. Check the accomplishments on his TLPD page, and compare them to those of TLO. EU weeklys mean nothing. Every EU player has a shit load of $100 tournament wins because there's like 10 a week. Oh ok, then you should have no problem finding me 5 EU players who have won more of them. Since he is an "average EU pro," there should be at least 30 guys who are more accomplished.
European Players who have achieved more than Goody at tournaments which matter:
Thorzain, Naniwa, Hasu Obs, Socke, Morrow, Sase, Ret, TLO, White Ra, Dimaga, Naama, Mana, Kas.
I'm sure I've missed some people.
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On July 17 2011 08:00 HarryKlein wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2011 07:45 Liquid`TLO wrote:
I wont be dishonest, when I see a bad game. Both players did about 30 mistakes, horrible macro, worse decision... deal with it. LOL! That is not the point! U were just totally unmannered and one sided. So many people point out Goody's mistakes on streams but it is kinda "friendly" (Take, Cloud, Darkforce, Naruto, HasuObs...) Even though they criticize him, they show respect for his playstyle and his achievements. But you just sounded like someone who is rly pissed, about Goody's success.
couldn't have said better. normally, I love TLO and his casting but this was so one sided and felt like pure hatred. and imo that push timing with thor/tanks vs hellions was just brilliant
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"Argue about GoOdy's results, realise it's another 100$ weekly torunament.
What were we fighting about again?"
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Goody has not won a single major tournament, that is the FACT!
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I like TLO's casting and analysis. Chill on the other hand, seems to be missing a whole lot.. especially everytime Returning attacked. I never heard so many incorrect reads before..
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On July 17 2011 08:04 wats0n wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2011 08:00 HarryKlein wrote:On July 17 2011 07:45 Liquid`TLO wrote:
I wont be dishonest, when I see a bad game. Both players did about 30 mistakes, horrible macro, worse decision... deal with it. LOL! That is not the point! U were just totally unmannered and one sided. So many people point out Goody's mistakes on streams but it is kinda "friendly" (Take, Cloud, Darkforce, Naruto, HasuObs...) Even though they criticize him, they show respect for his playstyle and his achievements. But you just sounded like someone who is rly pissed, about Goody's success. He complimented Goody's opening, his thor pushes, and his hellion defense. Seems like you and Naruto are just upset that he is pointing out Goody's mistakes.
Have you ever heard me casting a GoOdy game? I do point out his mistakes and I make a bit o fun of him as well. But I do not completely ignore the right decisions in the game and I do not ignore the mistakes of the other person. It was Strelok's game to lose, if you like it or not. If you want to bash on someone - bash on Strelok - he threw the game away BESIDES GoOdy not playing his A-Game.
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tlo is obv just frustrated that goody performs better than him
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On July 17 2011 08:06 towelie wrote:
tlo is obv just frustrated that goody performs better than him
Edit: Nvm
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Can we pls stop that ridiculous Goody vs Goody-hater discussion? It is obvious that Goody is an exceptional player. And - at least to me - its clear that TLO did not want to insult him lol.
There are some fucking nice games going on meanwhile...
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On July 17 2011 08:04 lunchforthesky wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2011 08:00 city42 wrote:On July 17 2011 07:59 lunchforthesky wrote:On July 17 2011 07:57 city42 wrote:On July 17 2011 07:55 lunchforthesky wrote:On July 17 2011 07:52 iMonAhorsE wrote:On July 17 2011 07:51 KvltMan wrote:On July 17 2011 07:47 lunchforthesky wrote:
When Tastosis talk about theBestfou drunk driving banshee's it's really funny, when TLO laughs at Goody's macro, queuing units, energy on his CC, low APM etc.. it's BM. Standard TL poster logic. On July 17 2011 07:47 Daralii wrote:
Wouldn't it be worse if they were overlooking GoOdy's mistakes just because of who he is? If you criticize a player, they can learn to improve. This, essentially. GoOdy triumphs because of his unique style, but he will not be able to live off that forever, it's obvious that he has some issues with his macro, and it's something that people shouldn't ignore simply because his style is unique or because he can swing lost games around. Bad macro is bad macro, and getting it pointed out to you is nothing to be upset about. this is was people say since beta xD Let's not pretend Goodys been winning tournament. He's an average EU Pro, who's known for his unique style but results wise, there's nothing to write home about. The hell? He has won a ton of tournaments. Check the accomplishments on his TLPD page, and compare them to those of TLO. EU weeklys mean nothing. Every EU player has a shit load of $100 tournament wins because there's like 10 a week. Oh ok, then you should have no problem finding me 5 EU players who have won more of them. Since he is an "average EU pro," there should be at least 30 guys who are more accomplished. European Players who have achieved more than Goody at tournaments which matter: Thorzain, Naniwa, Hasu Obs, Socke, Morrow, Sase, Ret, TLO, White Ra, Dimaga, Naama, Mana, Kas. I'm sure I've missed some people.
Nice attempt at dodging, but let's get back to what I asked for. You claim that "Every EU player has a shitload of $100 tournament wins." Find me 5 players who have won as many of them as goody. Since "every EU player" meets this criterion you should have no trouble.
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I'm staying out of this, because I love Goody's mech style but at the same time I hate how he suicides units because he has no macro OR micro at all....
it's just funny that everyone who is defending Goody is German, lol.
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Even the Koreans play mech now,so whats this MM + Tank is the Elitist style of TvT,thats completely bullshit.
Its ok when TLO is honest,but its not,what you say,but how you say it!...and tbh i understand Goody, that he is offended by the intonition and sarcasm of the whole atmosphere, it is to intense to not be on a treshold level,even with your whole Sc2 experience and understanding.
Proud is an strong emotion...not beeing offensive here.
P.M:"Treshold Level"reminded me of my audio-engineering days of my education,also the original Blues Brothers Movie is now on TV,so enough of this editing nonsense on mad Karma.
Soulman....
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naruto just shut the fuck up so we can end this. omg
User was warned for this post
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On July 17 2011 08:05 godemperor wrote:
Goody has not won a single major tournament, that is the FACT!
Since when did winning a maor tournament emplement you to be a top tier?
And is Sen bad too? Cause he didnt win any Majortournament. Same with a lot of Top Tier players
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On July 17 2011 08:05 godemperor wrote:
Goody has not won a single major tournament, that is the FACT!
Most players actually haven't won a single major tournament in 2011.
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On July 17 2011 08:06 mTw|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2011 08:04 wats0n wrote:On July 17 2011 08:00 HarryKlein wrote:On July 17 2011 07:45 Liquid`TLO wrote:
I wont be dishonest, when I see a bad game. Both players did about 30 mistakes, horrible macro, worse decision... deal with it. LOL! That is not the point! U were just totally unmannered and one sided. So many people point out Goody's mistakes on streams but it is kinda "friendly" (Take, Cloud, Darkforce, Naruto, HasuObs...) Even though they criticize him, they show respect for his playstyle and his achievements. But you just sounded like someone who is rly pissed, about Goody's success. He complimented Goody's opening, his thor pushes, and his hellion defense. Seems like you and Naruto are just upset that he is pointing out Goody's mistakes. Have you ever heard me casting a GoOdy game? I do point out his mistakes and I make a bit o fun of him as well. But I do not completely ignore the right decisions in the game and I do not ignore the mistakes of the other person. It was Strelok's game to lose, if you like it or not. If you want to bash on someone - bash on Strelok - he threw the game away BESIDES GoOdy not playing his A-Game.
Alright then, what other reason would TLO and Chill have to bash Goody ? TLO is german so I dont think hes doing it out of spite.
Im sure they know Goody is a good player but has flaws.
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On July 17 2011 07:42 GoOdy wrote:
rly painfull to watch the TLO/chill cast, with take/cloud its always funny because they respect me as a player, but TLO and chill are just insulting
If you're afraid to get your feelings hurt stop playing with commentators.
When you do mistakes you get called out on it, and man you did alot of mistakes and so did Strelok. It was actually a pain to watch and i give TLO and Chill credit, for actually making the game interresting.
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On July 17 2011 07:45 Liquid`TLO wrote:
I wont be dishonest, when I see a bad game. Both players did about 30 mistakes, horrible macro, worse decision... deal with it.
Yeah, casters have a resonsibility to be impartial. By all means they should comment on what's going on, but belitting the entire match like that is just poor caster-ship. Your job is to make the match exciting and fun to watch. Do you think they brought you in to bash players as they play?
If nothing else you should respect the fact he's in the finals of the tournament you were brought in to cast. Again, point out all the bad you like, but when you attack the players or the match as a whole you're doing the exact opposite thing you were brought in to do.
I can't speak for others, but I've always had a lot of respect for you. You're better than this kind of petty crap.
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