On July 07 2011 08:46 zasda wrote:
so funny how people make absolutes based on a couple bo3s or even one.
so funny how people make absolutes based on a couple bo3s or even one.
Who's making absolutes based on one bo3?
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drgonzhere
United States447 Posts
On July 07 2011 08:46 zasda wrote: so funny how people make absolutes based on a couple bo3s or even one. Who's making absolutes based on one bo3? | ||
sjschmidt93
United States2518 Posts
On July 07 2011 08:52 rysecake wrote: Show nested quote + On July 07 2011 08:35 sjschmidt93 wrote: I would argue Jinro was the best Terran in the world after 2 top 4's and an MLG win. Jinro didn't qualify season 1 or 2. Season 3, where he made his first top 4, he was dwarfed by a previous top 2 and then top 8 mkp. GSL january, where jinro made his 2nd top 4, he was dwarfed by mkp in ro4 and overshadowed by eventual winner mvp. Idk how you can say jinro was ever the top terran in the world. From gsl open season 2 to gsl jan, mkp was the best terran in the world. From gsl jan to april-may, mvp was the undisputed best terran in the world. Mvp's reign is a little shaky as of now but we'll see how that turns out. You can argue that jinro was the best foreigner after 2 top 4s and an mlg win and easily the top foreign terran, but even now thorzain is the better pick for that spot. I said at that time, who cars if he didn't qualify for 1 and 2 or how bad he's been doing lately. He won an MLG and made to top 4's in the toughest tournament in the world in two months. Consistency. MVP went out in Ro16 in GSL3 and MKP went out in Ro8 in GSL Jan., two tourneys Jinro got top 4 in. | ||
Denzil
United Kingdom4193 Posts
On July 06 2011 06:53 mikyaJ wrote: Show nested quote + On July 06 2011 06:48 Denzil wrote: On July 06 2011 04:48 hypno_toad wrote: I agree that MVP isn't the best anymore...But MC and Nestea are still the best of their races hands down Would you say that MKP is the best for Terran right now? I know he's come second a lot but you can't deny how consistant a player he is. @Tachion If we're going to call DRG the second best Zerg then we need to call MMA the best Terran. Team league kills don't mean anything, you need tournaments to put under your belt of which Idra has quite a few compared to DRG's team league kills. IdrA has some foreign tournaments, so what. And no that would not make MMA the best Terran in the world, that would make him one of the best. Guess what? They're both in Code B. And DRG won the LG 3d Special League. That's a result. And in regards to MKP, he's not consistent at all. He's been knocked out in the Ro32 in every single Code S regular season save for January. NaDa, is consistent. People need to stop bringing foreign tournaments into these as well. They don't matter to the Korean scene, that's why we have separate TLPD databases. What are you on about he's been 2nd in GSL 3 times, that's consistency. | ||
skrzmark
United States1528 Posts
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MERLIN.
Canada546 Posts
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babylon
8765 Posts
On July 07 2011 08:53 SafeAsCheese wrote: Show nested quote + On July 07 2011 08:51 NexUmbra wrote: On July 07 2011 08:50 SafeAsCheese wrote: I find it hard to consider people best 6-12 month ago when the game was quite broken in a lot of respects, especially maps. Yeah because zerg was insanely cheap when FD and NesTea won GSL 1 & 2 yes? FD would have lost to oGsTOP on kulas, knocking him out in the Ro8 if they played after the ultra was fixed Go youtube it if you like, and play the scenario in a unit tester. Unless you think better upgraded thors lose to ultras nowadays ;p And? The bottom line is this: TOP shouldn't have gone Thors. He deserved to lose that game because he basically gave the game to FD the instant he made the decision to mass Thors. Dude had the game in the bag, but then he dropped the ball. All FD did was respond; he thought he was dead, saw the Thors, realized that he wasn't out of the game yet, then decided to exploit a bug that everyone was already aware of, including TOP. TOP basically snatched defeat from the jaws of victory with that one decision, and that's all there is to it. On July 07 2011 09:10 skrzmark wrote: The thing is Jinro didn't beat anyone impressive, when it comes to top tier players he lost. Marineking, and MC. (MarineKing in Group stages and in Semis) I really hope MVP and MarineKing stop slumping. I don't know about MVP (I haven't gotten the chance to watch his games yet), but I don't think MKP is slumping? His play is still top-notch. I mean, if you want to say he's slumping, he's "slumping" in the same way that MC "slumps" at times. | ||
rysecake
United States2632 Posts
On July 07 2011 09:06 sjschmidt93 wrote: Show nested quote + On July 07 2011 08:52 rysecake wrote: On July 07 2011 08:35 sjschmidt93 wrote: I would argue Jinro was the best Terran in the world after 2 top 4's and an MLG win. Jinro didn't qualify season 1 or 2. Season 3, where he made his first top 4, he was dwarfed by a previous top 2 and then top 8 mkp. GSL january, where jinro made his 2nd top 4, he was dwarfed by mkp in ro4 and overshadowed by eventual winner mvp. Idk how you can say jinro was ever the top terran in the world. From gsl open season 2 to gsl jan, mkp was the best terran in the world. From gsl jan to april-may, mvp was the undisputed best terran in the world. Mvp's reign is a little shaky as of now but we'll see how that turns out. You can argue that jinro was the best foreigner after 2 top 4s and an mlg win and easily the top foreign terran, but even now thorzain is the better pick for that spot. I said at that time, who cars if he didn't qualify for 1 and 2 or how bad he's been doing lately. He won an MLG and made to top 4's in the toughest tournament in the world in two months. Consistency. MVP went out in Ro16 in GSL3 and MKP went out in Ro8 in GSL Jan., two tourneys Jinro got top 4 in. Where are you pulling your facts from dude? Mkp didn't go out ro8 in gsl jan, he was a finalist. In fact, he was the one to knock jinro out in the ro4. You're sadly misinformed. At the time jinro was a 2x top 4 player, he was surpassed by both mkp and mvp. I don't care about mlg as the mlg he won didn't have koreans and was not a top top level tourny as a result. Like I said, best foreigner terran, not best terran. At that time jinro was a top 5 terran in the world, not the best though. Mkp/mvp shared that title during the transition between gsl 3 and gsl jan. Gsl jan was jinro's peak, the one where he knocked mc out in the ro16. Remember? That tourny was also the one where mkp knocked him out in the ro4, and the one where mvp took gold. | ||
ExquisiteRed
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SafeAsCheese
United States4924 Posts
On July 07 2011 09:13 babylon wrote: Show nested quote + On July 07 2011 08:53 SafeAsCheese wrote: On July 07 2011 08:51 NexUmbra wrote: On July 07 2011 08:50 SafeAsCheese wrote: I find it hard to consider people best 6-12 month ago when the game was quite broken in a lot of respects, especially maps. Yeah because zerg was insanely cheap when FD and NesTea won GSL 1 & 2 yes? FD would have lost to oGsTOP on kulas, knocking him out in the Ro8 if they played after the ultra was fixed Go youtube it if you like, and play the scenario in a unit tester. Unless you think better upgraded thors lose to ultras nowadays ;p And? The bottom line is this: TOP shouldn't have gone Thors. He deserved to lose that game because he basically gave the game to FD the instant he made the decision to mass Thors. Dude had the game in the bag, but then he dropped the ball. All FD did was respond; he thought he was dead, saw the Thors, realized that he wasn't out of the game yet, then decided to exploit a bug that everyone was already aware of, including TOP. TOP basically snatched defeat from the jaws of victory with that one decision, and that's all there is to it. Show nested quote + On July 07 2011 09:10 skrzmark wrote: The thing is Jinro didn't beat anyone impressive, when it comes to top tier players he lost. Marineking, and MC. (MarineKing in Group stages and in Semis) I really hope MVP and MarineKing stop slumping. I don't know about MVP (I haven't gotten the chance to watch his games yet), but I don't think MKP is slumping? His play is still top-notch. I mean, if you want to say he's slumping, he's "slumping" in the same way that MC "slumps" at times. It still makes TOP a better player than Fruit. Already pretty much proved by recent results. | ||
branflakes14
2082 Posts
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isospeedrix
United States215 Posts
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babylon
8765 Posts
On July 07 2011 09:16 SafeAsCheese wrote: Show nested quote + On July 07 2011 09:13 babylon wrote: On July 07 2011 08:53 SafeAsCheese wrote: On July 07 2011 08:51 NexUmbra wrote: On July 07 2011 08:50 SafeAsCheese wrote: I find it hard to consider people best 6-12 month ago when the game was quite broken in a lot of respects, especially maps. Yeah because zerg was insanely cheap when FD and NesTea won GSL 1 & 2 yes? FD would have lost to oGsTOP on kulas, knocking him out in the Ro8 if they played after the ultra was fixed Go youtube it if you like, and play the scenario in a unit tester. Unless you think better upgraded thors lose to ultras nowadays ;p And? The bottom line is this: TOP shouldn't have gone Thors. He deserved to lose that game because he basically gave the game to FD the instant he made the decision to mass Thors. Dude had the game in the bag, but then he dropped the ball. All FD did was respond; he thought he was dead, saw the Thors, realized that he wasn't out of the game yet, then decided to exploit a bug that everyone was already aware of, including TOP. TOP basically snatched defeat from the jaws of victory with that one decision, and that's all there is to it. On July 07 2011 09:10 skrzmark wrote: The thing is Jinro didn't beat anyone impressive, when it comes to top tier players he lost. Marineking, and MC. (MarineKing in Group stages and in Semis) I really hope MVP and MarineKing stop slumping. I don't know about MVP (I haven't gotten the chance to watch his games yet), but I don't think MKP is slumping? His play is still top-notch. I mean, if you want to say he's slumping, he's "slumping" in the same way that MC "slumps" at times. It still makes TOP a better player than Fruit. Already pretty much proved by recent results. Is TOP now a better player than FD? Yeah, sure. Was he a better player than FD in GSL1? Arguable, especially with that dumb game-changing decision, and especially considering that Zerg was UP as hell. One OP ultra bug != Zerg being OP, sorry to say. Zerg as a whole was really fucking horrible to play back during GSL1, and anyone who claims otherwise is just grasping at straws. | ||
drgonzhere
United States447 Posts
On July 07 2011 09:20 isospeedrix wrote: Zenio being underrated again! poor him. Zenio has been a solid zerg since season one, he is in no way an up and coming player man. | ||
HyperionDreamer
Canada1528 Posts
On July 07 2011 09:12 MERLIN. wrote: I honestly think Destiny has a really good shot at becoming top zerg... His play with infestors, its so revolutionary, when he beat bomber 2-1 in (some tournament, theres like 231023101231 now) it was like "omg jizz" and day9 had a great time casting. First match of bo3 was like 1hr long. Compared to the koreans mentioned in the OP, destiny is bad. I would have liked to see a picture of losira in the OP, he's pretty good you know. ^_^ | ||
Ghola
United States55 Posts
On July 07 2011 09:16 ExquisiteRed wrote: idk Alicia hasn't really impressed me much :/ Agreed. He's had good results, but a large portion of the games he's won have been 7gate and Voidray all ins | ||
bkrow
Australia8532 Posts
P.S. your TLPD is messed on Losira - hard to be Nestea's apprentice with (On the edit change the TLPD code that says P to a T and you can even change the database with a #sc2-Korean ) | ||
The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
Basically I never really got over my first impression, never believed his reign would last, and am not sad that it hasn't. Was never really a fan tbh. | ||
skrzmark
United States1528 Posts
On July 07 2011 09:13 babylon wrote: Show nested quote + On July 07 2011 08:53 SafeAsCheese wrote: On July 07 2011 08:51 NexUmbra wrote: On July 07 2011 08:50 SafeAsCheese wrote: I find it hard to consider people best 6-12 month ago when the game was quite broken in a lot of respects, especially maps. Yeah because zerg was insanely cheap when FD and NesTea won GSL 1 & 2 yes? FD would have lost to oGsTOP on kulas, knocking him out in the Ro8 if they played after the ultra was fixed Go youtube it if you like, and play the scenario in a unit tester. Unless you think better upgraded thors lose to ultras nowadays ;p And? The bottom line is this: TOP shouldn't have gone Thors. He deserved to lose that game because he basically gave the game to FD the instant he made the decision to mass Thors. Dude had the game in the bag, but then he dropped the ball. All FD did was respond; he thought he was dead, saw the Thors, realized that he wasn't out of the game yet, then decided to exploit a bug that everyone was already aware of, including TOP. TOP basically snatched defeat from the jaws of victory with that one decision, and that's all there is to it. Show nested quote + On July 07 2011 09:10 skrzmark wrote: The thing is Jinro didn't beat anyone impressive, when it comes to top tier players he lost. Marineking, and MC. (MarineKing in Group stages and in Semis) I really hope MVP and MarineKing stop slumping. I don't know about MVP (I haven't gotten the chance to watch his games yet), but I don't think MKP is slumping? His play is still top-notch. I mean, if you want to say he's slumping, he's "slumping" in the same way that MC "slumps" at times. Marineking hasn't made it past the group stages since GSL Jan. | ||
drgonzhere
United States447 Posts
On July 07 2011 09:36 bkrow wrote: There are some players making the cut because of some Tastosis hype (read: Alicia) - overall a very interesting read. I really want CoCa to hit his stride and become what we all think he can. P.S. your TLPD is messed on Losira - hard to be Nestea's apprentice with (On the edit change the TLPD code that says P to a T and you can even change the database with a #sc2-Korean ) I think Alicia is more than hype, the guy is easily the second best toss in Korea as far as results go imo. Oh, and thank you for the tip on the TLPD, I couldn't for the life of me figure out how to fix it | ||
rysecake
United States2632 Posts
On July 07 2011 09:36 The KY wrote: Man, I still remember when MVP was just another good Korean terran, then suddenly OMG HE'S THE BEST EVAR for 2 months, and now with all the many, many top terrans in Korea his hype train has kinda run out of steam. Basically I never really got over my first impression, never believed his reign would last, and am not sad that it hasn't. Was never really a fan tbh. No player has gotten the "omg best ever next bonjwa" type of feeling yet. Still awaiting the day for a true king to appear. | ||
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