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On July 07 2011 09:09 Denzil wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2011 06:53 mikyaJ wrote:On July 06 2011 06:48 Denzil wrote:On July 06 2011 04:48 hypno_toad wrote:
I agree that MVP isn't the best anymore...But MC and Nestea are still the best of their races hands down Would you say that MKP is the best for Terran right now? I know he's come second a lot but you can't deny how consistant a player he is. @Tachion If we're going to call DRG the second best Zerg then we need to call MMA the best Terran. Team league kills don't mean anything, you need tournaments to put under your belt of which Idra has quite a few compared to DRG's team league kills. IdrA has some foreign tournaments, so what. And no that would not make MMA the best Terran in the world, that would make him one of the best. Guess what? They're both in Code B. And DRG won the LG 3d Special League. That's a result. And in regards to MKP, he's not consistent at all. He's been knocked out in the Ro32 in every single Code S regular season save for January. NaDa, is consistent. People need to stop bringing foreign tournaments into these as well. They don't matter to the Korean scene, that's why we have separate TLPD databases. What are you on about he's been 2nd in GSL 3 times, that's consistency.
He hasn't made it out of the group stage in 3 seasons, how is that consistent -.-
July won 3 starleagues in BW but was famous for being very inconsistent.
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On July 07 2011 09:46 NexUmbra wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2011 09:09 Denzil wrote:On July 06 2011 06:53 mikyaJ wrote:On July 06 2011 06:48 Denzil wrote:On July 06 2011 04:48 hypno_toad wrote:
I agree that MVP isn't the best anymore...But MC and Nestea are still the best of their races hands down Would you say that MKP is the best for Terran right now? I know he's come second a lot but you can't deny how consistant a player he is. @Tachion If we're going to call DRG the second best Zerg then we need to call MMA the best Terran. Team league kills don't mean anything, you need tournaments to put under your belt of which Idra has quite a few compared to DRG's team league kills. IdrA has some foreign tournaments, so what. And no that would not make MMA the best Terran in the world, that would make him one of the best. Guess what? They're both in Code B. And DRG won the LG 3d Special League. That's a result. And in regards to MKP, he's not consistent at all. He's been knocked out in the Ro32 in every single Code S regular season save for January. NaDa, is consistent. People need to stop bringing foreign tournaments into these as well. They don't matter to the Korean scene, that's why we have separate TLPD databases. What are you on about he's been 2nd in GSL 3 times, that's consistency. He hasn't made it out of the group stage in 3 seasons, how is that consistent -.- July won 3 starleagues in BW but was famous for being very inconsistent.
You could call that consistency in a way :p
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On July 07 2011 09:47 drgonzhere wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2011 09:46 NexUmbra wrote:On July 07 2011 09:09 Denzil wrote:On July 06 2011 06:53 mikyaJ wrote:On July 06 2011 06:48 Denzil wrote:On July 06 2011 04:48 hypno_toad wrote:
I agree that MVP isn't the best anymore...But MC and Nestea are still the best of their races hands down Would you say that MKP is the best for Terran right now? I know he's come second a lot but you can't deny how consistant a player he is. @Tachion If we're going to call DRG the second best Zerg then we need to call MMA the best Terran. Team league kills don't mean anything, you need tournaments to put under your belt of which Idra has quite a few compared to DRG's team league kills. IdrA has some foreign tournaments, so what. And no that would not make MMA the best Terran in the world, that would make him one of the best. Guess what? They're both in Code B. And DRG won the LG 3d Special League. That's a result. And in regards to MKP, he's not consistent at all. He's been knocked out in the Ro32 in every single Code S regular season save for January. NaDa, is consistent. People need to stop bringing foreign tournaments into these as well. They don't matter to the Korean scene, that's why we have separate TLPD databases. What are you on about he's been 2nd in GSL 3 times, that's consistency. He hasn't made it out of the group stage in 3 seasons, how is that consistent -.- July won 3 starleagues in BW but was famous for being very inconsistent. You could call that consistency in a way :p
Depends on what you define as consistent.
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On July 07 2011 09:50 rysecake wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2011 09:47 drgonzhere wrote:On July 07 2011 09:46 NexUmbra wrote:On July 07 2011 09:09 Denzil wrote:On July 06 2011 06:53 mikyaJ wrote:On July 06 2011 06:48 Denzil wrote:On July 06 2011 04:48 hypno_toad wrote:
I agree that MVP isn't the best anymore...But MC and Nestea are still the best of their races hands down Would you say that MKP is the best for Terran right now? I know he's come second a lot but you can't deny how consistant a player he is. @Tachion If we're going to call DRG the second best Zerg then we need to call MMA the best Terran. Team league kills don't mean anything, you need tournaments to put under your belt of which Idra has quite a few compared to DRG's team league kills. IdrA has some foreign tournaments, so what. And no that would not make MMA the best Terran in the world, that would make him one of the best. Guess what? They're both in Code B. And DRG won the LG 3d Special League. That's a result. And in regards to MKP, he's not consistent at all. He's been knocked out in the Ro32 in every single Code S regular season save for January. NaDa, is consistent. People need to stop bringing foreign tournaments into these as well. They don't matter to the Korean scene, that's why we have separate TLPD databases. What are you on about he's been 2nd in GSL 3 times, that's consistency. He hasn't made it out of the group stage in 3 seasons, how is that consistent -.- July won 3 starleagues in BW but was famous for being very inconsistent. You could call that consistency in a way :p Depends on what you define as consistent.
Nada: Ro4 once and Ro8 like almost every other time
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I think HuK should be somewhere up there because of his HSC and DHS wins
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On July 07 2011 09:40 skrzmark wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2011 09:13 babylon wrote:On July 07 2011 08:53 SafeAsCheese wrote:On July 07 2011 08:51 NexUmbra wrote:On July 07 2011 08:50 SafeAsCheese wrote:
I find it hard to consider people best 6-12 month ago when the game was quite broken in a lot of respects, especially maps. Yeah because zerg was insanely cheap when FD and NesTea won GSL 1 & 2 yes? FD would have lost to oGsTOP on kulas, knocking him out in the Ro8 if they played after the ultra was fixed  Go youtube it if you like, and play the scenario in a unit tester. Unless you think better upgraded thors lose to ultras nowadays ;p And? The bottom line is this: TOP shouldn't have gone Thors. He deserved to lose that game because he basically gave the game to FD the instant he made the decision to mass Thors. Dude had the game in the bag, but then he dropped the ball. All FD did was respond; he thought he was dead, saw the Thors, realized that he wasn't out of the game yet, then decided to exploit a bug that everyone was already aware of, including TOP. TOP basically snatched defeat from the jaws of victory with that one decision, and that's all there is to it. On July 07 2011 09:10 skrzmark wrote:
The thing is Jinro didn't beat anyone impressive, when it comes to top tier players he lost. Marineking, and MC. (MarineKing in Group stages and in Semis) I really hope MVP and MarineKing stop slumping. I don't know about MVP (I haven't gotten the chance to watch his games yet), but I don't think MKP is slumping? His play is still top-notch. I mean, if you want to say he's slumping, he's "slumping" in the same way that MC "slumps" at times. Marineking hasn't made it past the group stages since GSL Jan.
I was under the impression that slumping = when a player consistently underperforms (i.e. he plays worse than he is supposed to play) for an extended period of time. Slumping results in disappointing tournament results, but disappointing tournament results do not necessarily mean that that player is slumping. People who are in slumps are people like Jinro, FruitDealer, and Check (who recently appears to be getting out of his slump); they've shown brilliant play in the past but have not been able to re-attain that level of play for a long, long time.
MKP has, on the other hand, shown some really great, solid play recently (GSL ST, NASL, etc.), just not in GSL Code S unfortunately, whose group stages are, let's not forget, BO1s, which tend to be very, very volatile. He's still a scary player, and I don't think he's lost any of his shine recently.
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On July 07 2011 10:00 Ralarala wrote:
I think HuK should be somewhere up there because of his HSC and DHS wins
Not convinced those things merit him being placed high. He won HSC, but it wasn't a dominating barn-burning like Nani's MLG Dallas (as an example, not asserting Nani's there either).
However, if he plays the rest of the tournament like he did this first round, he's going to effing win. He was absolutely terrifying in that group, not just because he won 2-0, but because his play was absolutely immaculate.
If he makes Ro8, he's definitely on this list. Because his Ro16 match is oGsMC.
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On July 07 2011 09:50 rysecake wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2011 09:47 drgonzhere wrote:On July 07 2011 09:46 NexUmbra wrote:On July 07 2011 09:09 Denzil wrote:On July 06 2011 06:53 mikyaJ wrote:On July 06 2011 06:48 Denzil wrote:On July 06 2011 04:48 hypno_toad wrote:
I agree that MVP isn't the best anymore...But MC and Nestea are still the best of their races hands down Would you say that MKP is the best for Terran right now? I know he's come second a lot but you can't deny how consistant a player he is. @Tachion If we're going to call DRG the second best Zerg then we need to call MMA the best Terran. Team league kills don't mean anything, you need tournaments to put under your belt of which Idra has quite a few compared to DRG's team league kills. IdrA has some foreign tournaments, so what. And no that would not make MMA the best Terran in the world, that would make him one of the best. Guess what? They're both in Code B. And DRG won the LG 3d Special League. That's a result. And in regards to MKP, he's not consistent at all. He's been knocked out in the Ro32 in every single Code S regular season save for January. NaDa, is consistent. People need to stop bringing foreign tournaments into these as well. They don't matter to the Korean scene, that's why we have separate TLPD databases. What are you on about he's been 2nd in GSL 3 times, that's consistency. He hasn't made it out of the group stage in 3 seasons, how is that consistent -.- July won 3 starleagues in BW but was famous for being very inconsistent. You could call that consistency in a way :p Depends on what you define as consistent.
Clide and Genius are also consistent imo (Clide makes it into Ro16 everytime and Genius has done the same bar 1 time(?))
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I almost thought this was another admin rename of the GSL makeup thread before i opened it >.>
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IMO
GSL Bonjwa's: Zerg: NesTea, Terran: Mvp, Protoss: MC
Ladder/GSTL Bonjwa's Zerg: DongRaeGu Terran: PuMa, Protoss: Sage
these are the best korean players they have the ability to beat anyone (each other as well)
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On July 07 2011 10:26 Mutality wrote:
IMO
GSL Bonjwa's: Zerg: NesTea, Terran: Mvp, Protoss: MC
Ladder/GSTL Bonjwa's Zerg: DongRaeGu Terran: PuMa, Protoss: Sage
these are the best korean players they have the ability to beat anyone (each other as well)
I think you need to look up what a bonjwa is.
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On July 07 2011 10:00 Ralarala wrote:
I think HuK should be somewhere up there because of his HSC and DHS wins
If he should be up there, it should be because of how dominating he was yesterday. I mean he read aLive like a book and completely outplayed him in pretty much every aspect of that game.
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On July 07 2011 10:18 Ryuu314 wrote:
I almost thought this was another admin rename of the GSL makeup thread before i opened it >.>
Lol that would be quite clever!
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I think this article was really necessary, especially now coming to the one year anniversary of the release. I was really surprised not to see HuK there, but I understand since he is yet to make a breakthrough in the GSL. Nevertheless, with the results of last night, he really does deserve to be in this list.
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On July 07 2011 12:17 Ciraxis wrote:
I think this article was really necessary, especially now coming to the one year anniversary of the release. I was really surprised not to see HuK there, but I understand since he is yet to make a breakthrough in the GSL. Nevertheless, with the results of last night, he really does deserve to be in this list.
After last night I honestly do wish I could go back and add him. In another month or two I might write another if people want it, and then he will definitely be included!
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have to agree all the way with DRG, alicia kinda should be the best protoss in korea, but it hasn't really worked out that way, you see every time he plays in gsl, he somehow, someway gets that hardest 1st round opponent(s)
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This article is great. I especially like Sage, DRG, and Puma.
It's so sad that there's virtually no new NA talent to speak of. In most major tournaments, we seem to see the same dudes over and over again with little to no improvement. It's kinda depressing.
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I love writeups like this. My only criticism is that you mention Artosis too much. Try to talk about multiple people's opinions of players instead of just mentioning artosis a bunch.
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On July 07 2011 15:56 BearChocolate wrote:
I love writeups like this. My only criticism is that you mention Artosis too much. Try to talk about multiple people's opinions of players instead of just mentioning artosis a bunch.
He's the best analytical english commentator in Korea, and he actually gives his opinions on the players. I only mention him twice really.
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