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lunchforthesky
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom967 Posts
July 06 2011 21:43 GMT
#181
On July 07 2011 06:39 DoomsVille wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2011 06:36 lunchforthesky wrote:
On July 07 2011 06:29 Poopi wrote:
On July 07 2011 06:26 Olinim wrote:
On July 07 2011 06:24 Poopi wrote:
On July 07 2011 06:10 NexUmbra wrote:
NesTea is by far the undisputed champion of Zerg.

MVP is certainly not.

MC is still the best imo, but not like NesTea where he is the reaper of nerd souls.

The thing is that NesTea and MC are undisputed champion of their races because there are SO FEW good protoss or zerg around. Their GSL runs were not incredible, except for NesTea season 2 but that was not comparable with Mvp period of dominance : Mvp trashed NesTea and MKP two times (GSL Code S S1 and Gainward), NaDa or TheStC, and 5-0ed an entire zerg line-up, while being on top of the ladder. Since there are many very good terrans it's harder to still be considered the "king", whereas MC and NesTea are top of their races despite relatively bad showings (same as Mvp) in several seasons.
Oh and yeah MKP's era of dominance will start sooner or later, his nerves won't stop his incredible raw skill for too long.

How was GSL 3 not an impressive run? MC demolished all competition.

The only good player he beat was MKP, whereas Mvp destroyed the zerg king and 2nd best terran.


At the time Terran basically couldn't lose to Zerg.

Huh? No? You're thinking of GSL1. Zerg's actually teared up GSL2... they had a 60% winrate vs. terran that season.


We're talking GSL Code S January.
Nazeron
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1046 Posts
July 06 2011 21:48 GMT
#182
good read
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
drgonzhere
Profile Joined November 2010
United States447 Posts
July 06 2011 21:49 GMT
#183
On July 07 2011 06:32 Badjas wrote:
I would love to see this as a repeating feature, nice writeup!


Thanks Man I will try there just aren not many up and coming players in the foreign scene, but the Korean scene changes so much that every 1-2 months I could probably do one!
Dictator for Life of the PuMa Fanclub/ DRG, PuMA, Sage, Puzzle, MMA Fighting!
DoomsVille
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada4885 Posts
July 06 2011 21:51 GMT
#184
On July 07 2011 06:43 lunchforthesky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2011 06:39 DoomsVille wrote:
On July 07 2011 06:36 lunchforthesky wrote:
On July 07 2011 06:29 Poopi wrote:
On July 07 2011 06:26 Olinim wrote:
On July 07 2011 06:24 Poopi wrote:
On July 07 2011 06:10 NexUmbra wrote:
NesTea is by far the undisputed champion of Zerg.

MVP is certainly not.

MC is still the best imo, but not like NesTea where he is the reaper of nerd souls.

The thing is that NesTea and MC are undisputed champion of their races because there are SO FEW good protoss or zerg around. Their GSL runs were not incredible, except for NesTea season 2 but that was not comparable with Mvp period of dominance : Mvp trashed NesTea and MKP two times (GSL Code S S1 and Gainward), NaDa or TheStC, and 5-0ed an entire zerg line-up, while being on top of the ladder. Since there are many very good terrans it's harder to still be considered the "king", whereas MC and NesTea are top of their races despite relatively bad showings (same as Mvp) in several seasons.
Oh and yeah MKP's era of dominance will start sooner or later, his nerves won't stop his incredible raw skill for too long.

How was GSL 3 not an impressive run? MC demolished all competition.

The only good player he beat was MKP, whereas Mvp destroyed the zerg king and 2nd best terran.


At the time Terran basically couldn't lose to Zerg.

Huh? No? You're thinking of GSL1. Zerg's actually teared up GSL2... they had a 60% winrate vs. terran that season.


We're talking GSL Code S January.

Oh whoops, misread. Yea GSL January was not great for zergs. Too many terrible maps (even though the MU was pretty balanced)... jungle basin, close positions metal, shakuras with the back destructible rocks... it was a death trap for zerg lol. Zergs could win at the time but only if they got decent maps.
Bozotclown
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom60 Posts
July 06 2011 22:07 GMT
#185
Great write up man.
Dicks Everywhere
SomeONEx
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden641 Posts
July 06 2011 22:10 GMT
#186
MC is still the best protoss, what he needs to show it is like semi-finals or finals in GSl where he takes it seriously AND can prepare, and HuK and NaNi really should be up with the other protoss guys, but a really nice write-up indeed!
BW hwaiting!
rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-06 22:19:55
July 06 2011 22:16 GMT
#187
On July 07 2011 06:31 Olinim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2011 06:29 Poopi wrote:
On July 07 2011 06:26 Olinim wrote:
On July 07 2011 06:24 Poopi wrote:
On July 07 2011 06:10 NexUmbra wrote:
NesTea is by far the undisputed champion of Zerg.

MVP is certainly not.

MC is still the best imo, but not like NesTea where he is the reaper of nerd souls.

The thing is that NesTea and MC are undisputed champion of their races because there are SO FEW good protoss or zerg around. Their GSL runs were not incredible, except for NesTea season 2 but that was not comparable with Mvp period of dominance : Mvp trashed NesTea and MKP two times (GSL Code S S1 and Gainward), NaDa or TheStC, and 5-0ed an entire zerg line-up, while being on top of the ladder. Since there are many very good terrans it's harder to still be considered the "king", whereas MC and NesTea are top of their races despite relatively bad showings (same as Mvp) in several seasons.
Oh and yeah MKP's era of dominance will start sooner or later, his nerves won't stop his incredible raw skill for too long.

How was GSL 3 not an impressive run? MC demolished all competition.

The only good player he beat was MKP.

jinro was considered best foreigner if not best terran at the time and he got destroyed. Nestea didnt face that great of players in his run either, besides MKP.


Best foreigner yes. At no point was jinro ever considered the best terran (before the mvp era mkp was the best terran). Mvp had the most dominating run in january out of all champions, that's why his elo peak is the highest in sc2. Back in season 3, the only star mc beat was mkp. Jinro rose to his peak shortly after in gsl january, where he was overshadowed by mvp..
The Notorious Winkles
OdiousTea
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia357 Posts
July 06 2011 22:34 GMT
#188
If only Losira had DRG's ZvT...
tyCe
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia2542 Posts
July 06 2011 22:49 GMT
#189
Nice write-up. Was an enjoyable read. I haven't kept up with the GSL for a while so I don't know some of the new guys like Line, Sage, Puzzle and CoCa. Hopefully HuK can be one of the new kings of Protoss. Meanwhile, I think GosI[Terran]/sixjaxMajOr would be one of the rising stars of Terran if he trained in Korea with a good coaching environment. That guy has such good mechanics; he just needs direction and refinement.

On July 06 2011 04:39 Ares[Effort] wrote:
100% agree on CoCa he will be a top zerg like (Z)EffOrt soon enough!

But EffOrt was next a top zerg. He was only ever 2nd top zerg with a huge gap between him and JD.
Betrayed by EG.BuK
fire_brand
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada1123 Posts
July 06 2011 23:03 GMT
#190
PuMa, DRG, and Sage. These guys are undercover bonjwas. I still think MC is the top Toss, but if anyone could push him it would be Sage and his revolutionary play. I think Puma is already the best terran. And DRG is good, theres no denying that, but I still think Nestea is the best zerg.

How bout a shoutout to the king of random, MVPGuineaPig. That guy keeps surprising people. He keeps randoming and winning mirror matches. Unheard of.
Random player, pixel enthusiast, crappy illustrator, offlane/support
xlava
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States676 Posts
July 06 2011 23:14 GMT
#191
Sage looks incredibly scary. I wouldn't be surprised to seem him in CodeS very very soon.
drgonzhere
Profile Joined November 2010
United States447 Posts
July 06 2011 23:14 GMT
#192
On July 07 2011 07:34 OdiousTea wrote:
If only Losira had DRG's ZvT...


That would be impossible because then the only player that could beat him would be Nestea in Z v Z/ LosirA would be double the monster he is right now.
Dictator for Life of the PuMa Fanclub/ DRG, PuMA, Sage, Puzzle, MMA Fighting!
NexUmbra
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Scotland3776 Posts
July 06 2011 23:22 GMT
#193
On July 06 2011 04:39 Ares[Effort] wrote:
100% agree on CoCa he will be a top zerg like (Z)EffOrt soon enough!

But EffOrt was next a top zerg. He was only ever 2nd top zerg with a huge gap between him and JD.[/QUOTE]

Top zerg doesn't mean the greatest.

"DongRaeGu is a top zerg" wouldn't mean that he is the best but it certainly at the top.
Life has won two GSLs and a Blizzard Cup. NOT three GSLs.
sjschmidt93
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2518 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-06 23:36:05
July 06 2011 23:35 GMT
#194
I would argue Jinro was the best Terran in the world after 2 top 4's and an MLG win.
My grandpa could've proxied better, and not only does he have arthritis, he's also dead. -Sean "Day[9]" Plott
zasda
Profile Joined March 2011
381 Posts
July 06 2011 23:46 GMT
#195
so funny how people make absolutes based on a couple bo3s or even one.
SafeAsCheese
Profile Joined June 2011
United States4924 Posts
July 06 2011 23:50 GMT
#196
I find it hard to consider people best 6-12 month ago when the game was quite broken in a lot of respects, especially maps.
NexUmbra
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Scotland3776 Posts
July 06 2011 23:51 GMT
#197
On July 07 2011 08:50 SafeAsCheese wrote:
I find it hard to consider people best 6-12 month ago when the game was quite broken in a lot of respects, especially maps.


Yeah because zerg was insanely cheap when FD and NesTea won GSL 1 & 2 yes?
Life has won two GSLs and a Blizzard Cup. NOT three GSLs.
rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-06 23:56:00
July 06 2011 23:52 GMT
#198
On July 07 2011 08:35 sjschmidt93 wrote:
I would argue Jinro was the best Terran in the world after 2 top 4's and an MLG win.


Jinro didn't qualify season 1 or 2. Season 3, where he made his first top 4, he was dwarfed by a previous top 2 and then top 8 mkp. GSL january, where jinro made his 2nd top 4, he was dwarfed by mkp in ro4 and overshadowed by eventual winner mvp. Idk how you can say jinro was ever the top terran in the world. From gsl open season 2 to gsl jan, mkp was the best terran in the world. From gsl jan to april-may, mvp was the undisputed best terran in the world. Mvp's reign is a little shaky as of now but we'll see how that turns out.

You can argue that jinro was the best foreigner after 2 top 4s and an mlg win and easily the top foreign terran, but even now thorzain is the better pick for that spot.
The Notorious Winkles
sTsCompleted
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States380 Posts
July 06 2011 23:52 GMT
#199
At first I thought this was a bunch of pictures of all the winners of past GSL's
SafeAsCheese
Profile Joined June 2011
United States4924 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-06 23:53:39
July 06 2011 23:53 GMT
#200
On July 07 2011 08:51 NexUmbra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2011 08:50 SafeAsCheese wrote:
I find it hard to consider people best 6-12 month ago when the game was quite broken in a lot of respects, especially maps.


Yeah because zerg was insanely cheap when FD and NesTea won GSL 1 & 2 yes?


FD would have lost to oGsTOP on kulas, knocking him out in the Ro8 if they played after the ultra was fixed Go youtube it if you like, and play the scenario in a unit tester.

Unless you think better upgraded thors lose to ultras nowadays ;p
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