EPTi dont know, if iam posting in the right part of the forum (always confused about that), so i apologize in advance to the mods. I am not very good at sc and i dont follow the scene that much. I watch VODs of my favourite zerg progamers (Jaedong, Savior, Calm) and few other gamers. I dont know, but it seems to me, that zerg progamers are having really hard time lately. There is not many of them and even the few good ones dont win as much as they used to do. Why is that so?
Bad time for zerg
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b0ng
Czech Republic82 Posts
i dont know, if iam posting in the right part of the forum (always confused about that), so i apologize in advance to the mods. I am not very good at sc and i dont follow the scene that much. I watch VODs of my favourite zerg progamers (Jaedong, Savior, Calm) and few other gamers. I dont know, but it seems to me, that zerg progamers are having really hard time lately. There is not many of them and even the few good ones dont win as much as they used to do. Why is that so? | ||
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
Zerg does best on low mineral count bases and lots of gas everywhere. Don't really need choke except on the nat early on for FE. PS- Davior lol | ||
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excess1ve
United States359 Posts
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Ozarugold
2716 Posts
I actually have no idea why, but I still think Queens should be used more often. So under appreciated... | ||
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Quesadilla
United States1814 Posts
But anyways, starcraft always goes in cycles. It always has. As one race becomes dominant, another comes up with counter-strategies that work flawlessly against it and the cycle begins for that prospective race. Onward and onward... Take into account that the top Zerg players are probably the best starcraft players period. There aren't many because the difference between a good Zerg and a great Zerg is actually a ridiculously huge gap. Even Jaedong is losing now, wtf? | ||
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Jovan
Canada65 Posts
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Highways
Australia6105 Posts
Got it too easy against Zerg. | ||
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Raithed
China7078 Posts
On December 02 2008 09:01 Highways wrote: I blame Terrans. Got it too easy against Zerg. do you also blame terrans for making these 1a2a3a a-move jokes? study july, low low econ, or yellow. well.. not yellow, he doesnt play anymore. | ||
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29 fps
United States5724 Posts
On December 02 2008 09:01 Highways wrote: I blame Terrans. Got it too easy against Zerg. your quote says it all, but thats not true. the supposed "power imba" (T>Z, Z>P,P>T) doesnt really exist at the higher levels (or even at the lower levels). maybe they do have to work a little harder. but once it hits late game, its almost impossible to stop them. tvz. ultras and defilers. hard to stop with terran. zvp. archons and goons, or just many many archons. hard to stop for zerg. pvt. 3/3 200/200 army. hard to stop with toss. just some of my pennies. (two of them) | ||
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Magic84
Russian Federation1381 Posts
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Raithed
China7078 Posts
On December 02 2008 09:09 29 fps wrote: your quote says it all, but thats not true. the supposed "power imba" (T>Z, Z>P,P>T) doesnt really exist at the higher levels (or even at the lower levels). maybe they do have to work a little harder. but once it hits late game, its almost impossible to stop them. tvz. ultras and defilers. hard to stop with terran. zvp. archons and goons, or just many many archons. hard to stop for zerg. pvt. 3/3 200/200 army. hard to stop with toss. just some of my pennies. (two of them) and that "cycle" plays again. tvz. terran using metal > ultra/defilers. zvp. dark swarm > many many archons. i think what you want to say is reaver/archon(lol free vs jd) pvt. countering this, i admit, its hard, but if you have mass statis and harass = good to go or storm(jangbi vs nada). | ||
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Jovan
Canada65 Posts
Having said that, I'd rather put the blame on the players themselves rather than external factors. | ||
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Kiryx
9 Posts
On December 02 2008 08:55 Quesadilla wrote: Queens... lol I'd really like to see progamers use these. The most underestimated spell caster in the whole game. Queens actually saved my game several times. Broodling thing is just amazing, yet way too expensive. And I mean wtf. Storm costs 75 and even if you suck at placing it well, you stil can kill like 4-5 units. | ||
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NonConGuy
United States416 Posts
On December 02 2008 09:09 29 fps wrote: zvp. archons and goons, or just many many archons. hard to stop for zerg. Endgame zvp is in favor of protoss IMO. just watching the jaedong vs free game with both of them maxed 200/200, reavers and archons just killed jaedong's massive amount of ultralisks, hydras, and zlings. But then again it was jaedong's fault for letting free expand so easily allowing free to get his units. | ||
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Xiberia
Sweden634 Posts
On December 02 2008 10:21 NonConGuy wrote: Endgame zvp is in favor of protoss IMO. just watching the jaedong vs free game with both of them maxed 200/200, reavers and archons just killed jaedong's massive amount of ultralisks, hydras, and zlings. But then again it was jaedong's fault for letting free expand so easily allowing free to get his units. Thing is that you're fucked anyways if you let a protoss grab enough gasses to support a large amount of archons and reavers. Zerg midgame is generally a bit weaker zvp so if endgame also favored protoss with equal economies, then zerg shouldn't be able to win any zvp's at all. | ||
SilverskY
Korea (South)3086 Posts
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NeoMesh
Canada49 Posts
On December 02 2008 09:33 Kiryx wrote: I'd really like to see progamers use these. The most underestimated spell caster in the whole game. Queens actually saved my game several times. Broodling thing is just amazing, yet way too expensive. And I mean wtf. Storm costs 75 and even if you suck at placing it well, you stil can kill like 4-5 units. I have to agree, broodling is amazing and the mana cost is deadly but the fact is queens can fly and are much more mobile than high templars.. HTs big disadvantage is how slow they move and once you bring them to the front of the line to cast storms within a certain range, they are quite vulnerable.. broodling has pretty good range and u can also cause tanks to splash damage eachother.. and you're right.. Pros don't use queens enough, they are a major factor in the game and I think parasite can be annoying as hell especially on big expensive units.. ensnare is also very useful and can help vs zealots | ||
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Warrior Madness
Canada3791 Posts
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thunk
United States6233 Posts
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mog87
United States1586 Posts
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