|
Hey Teamliquid,
Edit: Let me preface this by mentioning, this is to be based on his casting for OGN, not for GomTV! His casting has changed a lot since he casted at GomTV, and it would be errenous to judge him off of past work, and not current work.
Since Moletrap started casting OSL, many people have been passionately arguing for or against his casting. Let me preface this by saying I am not a Moletrap fan, however, i'm not going to go into any details aside from that.
It appears clear that he will be casting for OGN long term, so rather than flame him post after post, why don't we attempt to make a constructive criticism thread? When I searched TL for a Moletrap feedback thread, I was astonished that there wasn't one. Maybe if there was one, his casting would have improved much more a long time ago.
I will attach a poll with the same options available in the Khaldor thread, just to get TL user opinions. However, I strongly request if you vote in the poll, have some CONSTRUCTIVE feedback to back it up. Otherwise, that defeats the purpose, and this thread will be promptly closed. So lets keep it civil and polite, and try our best to help Moletrap improve and meet the expectations of the community!
Poll: What is your opinion on Moletrap casting for OGN?I don't like his casting at all! (584) 63% Doing average and has to improve! (199) 21% Doing great... I like his style! (144) 16% 927 total votes Your vote: What is your opinion on Moletrap casting for OGN? (Vote): Doing great... I like his style!
(Vote): Doing average and has to improve!
(Vote): I don't like his casting at all!
For those of you in need of a demonstration of constructive feedback, I will demonstrate with my own constructive feedback.
Constructive Feedback
+ Show Spoiler +My main greivance with Moletrap is his apparent apathy in many situations. I've noticed that he will lose his enthusiasm for a game far before it appears to be over to the viewer. While in his eyes, there may be no chance of a comeback, I believe he should maintain the possiblity and keep enthusiastic for the audience, otherwise the audience loses interest and becomes annoyed or frusterated.
Similarly, I wish he was better at hyping players (maybe based on performance and statistics), sometimes a player will come out, and he will just talk about how much of a nobody the player is, then say something like "who knows, maybe it'll be an interesting game anyway." To me, this is unacceptable, even if someone is unknown you can put a positive spin of hype behind him. For example, "Player B is largely unknown, but player A has been struggling as of late with X, and player B may be the sort of dark horse that can capitolize on such a thing."
He also seems a bit monotoned to me, which actually, I believe Grubby will do a great deal to remedy when he casts with him during the OSL.
Likewise, here is an example of unconstructive feedback. DO NOT POST LIKE THIS!
Unconstructive Feedback
+ Show Spoiler +I hate moletraps voice, I can't listen to his casting. I just won't watch OSL.
We all know that Moletrap will be with OSL long term as an English caster, so lets help him improve to meet the community expectations!
Thanks for your time!
|
I think he's doing quite well so far, casting the most prestigious league by yourself is a daunting task. With a broadcast partner, and maybe a higher level of SC2 knowledge I'd be quite happy.
|
On August 30 2012 03:35 Little-Chimp wrote:
I think he's doing quite well so far, casting the most prestigious league by yourself is a daunting task. With a broadcast partner, and maybe a higher level of SC2 knowledge I'd be quite happy.
Yeah, to me it almost seems like he can't get the hang of play by play commentary, and should be more of an analytical guy, but at the same time, I'm not sure if his knowledge of SC2 strategy is up to snuff. Obviously, with Grubby by him, he will be the play by play guy. When Doa comes back, I'd assume he will be the analytical guy though. At least we will be able to see him in both positions and assess his skillset fully. It is harder to give him a fair assessment when he is at the helm alone.
|
Hopefully people will have watched his recent OSL casts, rather than voting based on previous performances for GOM.
Based on the LR threads, his casting has improved from when he was with GOM.
I think one complaint not about moletrap himself per se is the casting setup OGN see to have, which seems to be moletrap not having control of any screen, and having a low(er) quality video feed, which isn't ideal, but hopefully in the long run this will change.
One issue relating to this is that moletrap was quite vocal today in discussing these things, which isn't necessarily appropriate for a professional caster, and some things should possibly be avoided rather than mentioned.
|
I would say he's pretty okay. The problem I have is that he's been doing this for so incredibly long that I kinda doubt he's ever going to be able to get past "pretty okay"
|
I think moletrap does ok when he's alone, in the past when he was casting as a duo i didnt like it all that much.
His enthusiasm can be great for the games but he needs to be able to work well with a co-caster.
hopefully he can make it work
|
Moletrap is awesome, has a long history with Starcraft and loves gaming, a true fellow nerd. The more he commentates the better.
|
Biggest issue with Moletrap for me is, as stated above, his lack of enthusiasm. He knows a decent amount about the game, but doesn't have the same love for it that other casters do. He sounds like someone forced him to be there casting.
I understand that solo casting can be really really hard, but he's been doing this for a long time now and should be expected to be able to keep up.
That being said, he has improved greatly since the GSL days. He doesn't act foolish in the same way, and definitely have benefitted from working with the ultra-professional culture at OGN. I think that with the right co-caster he will be decent, but there are definitely better casters out there.
Also - Doa is not a solution, he is a problem for Moletrap. When they were together at GOM they were horrible and barely casted in lieu of joking with each other and telling silly stories about how they hang out with Tasteless so much. Please OGN! NO DOA!!
|
On August 30 2012 03:38 Lonyo wrote:
Hopefully people will have watched his recent OSL casts, rather than voting based on previous performances for GOM.
Based on the LR threads, his casting has improved from when he was with GOM.
I think one complaint not about moletrap himself per se is the casting setup OGN see to have, which seems to be moletrap not having control of any screen, and having a low(er) quality video feed, which isn't ideal, but hopefully in the long run this will change.
One issue relating to this is that moletrap was quite vocal today in discussing these things, which isn't necessarily appropriate for a professional caster, and some things should possibly be avoided rather than mentioned.
Your first point is a good one. I will edit it into the OP. Thanks.
|
Trying to cover analysis while possessing neither the game-sense nor the player skill (platinum I believe?) to effectively fill those shoes.
His vocal inflections and volume control need a ton of work, although that is an entirely subjective opinion. The above comment is not.
Grubby saves.
|
I'm basing this on GOM and the recent OSL:
He needs to vastly improve his working knowledge of Starcraft 2. I feel I know more about it than he does and I've only been playing irregularly for 6 months and am a lowly silver leaguer. He's had 2 years as a professional caster. He should know a lot more than I do about the game. On that note, I think he should recieve some coaching in all the races and play them regularly. Even if his mechanics hold him in the lower leagues, he needs to understand the game at a higher level.
There are problems with him going off on uninteresting tangents, but I believe that will be largely solved if his knowledge increases and he'll have more to say about the game. He's not particularly funny, but I think that's partially a confidence issue, which would again be fixed if he had a decent amount of game sense. He would feel more in control and at ease and that would show in his humor.
I think he needs to spend time watching vods of himself casting as soon as possible after the event, noting a list of obvious mistakes (bad calls, missed action etc.) jot them down and figure out why he made the mistake, and just to ask people in the know how he could have read the situation better. I'm sure there would be plenty of english speaking players who would offer that advice freely. Hopefully Grubby can fill that role outside of the studio and help Moletrap get up to speed a bit.
He could really do with a fellow caster or some kind of casting coach just to sit him down and say 'look, here's what you are doing wrong, here's how to fix it'. Could he ask Artosis? I have no idea how their relationship is.
It feels almost like he doesn't watch SC2 to see how other people cast and the knowlede they bring to the table. It might be a little weak, but he could regurgitate some stuff he's learned that way quite easily. It would certainly be an improvement.
As it stands, his casting is very distracting to me and doesn't usually do it's supposed job of enhancing the game. If he can't or won't get better I would prefer it if he didn't do it at all. If I felt he was making effort to improve then I would happily support him.
|
i like moletrap so many haters here in teamliquid its really sad  , i like how he cast and enjoy his commentaries, like ohh no!!!!!!, dont listen to trolls moletrap, haters going to hate!!!!
|
On August 30 2012 03:50 bigtabs wrote:
I feel I know more about it than he does and I've only been playing irregularly for 6 months and am a lowly silver leaguer.
Then you do not know as much as he does.
|
On August 30 2012 04:12 elmexicano wrote:i like moletrap so many haters here in teamliquid its really sad , i like how he cast and enjoy his commentaries, like ohh no!!!!!!, dont listen to trolls moletrap, haters going to hate!!!!
The world is not divided into 'people that agree with you' and 'trolls/haters'.
|
On August 30 2012 03:50 bigtabs wrote:
He needs to vastly improve his working knowledge of Starcraft 2. I feel I know more about it than he does and I've only been playing irregularly for 6 months and am a lowly silver leaguer. He's had 2 years as a professional caster. He should know a lot more than I do about the game. On that note, I think he should recieve some coaching in all the races and play them regularly. Even if his mechanics hold him in the lower leagues, he needs to understand the game at a higher level.
Pretty much this. I can tolerate a less than gold plated radio voice or tangential stories if I am getting competent in-game perspective. I don't need Moletrap to be an analyst but I do need him to have a better understanding of the inner-workings of the game to keep me listening if he's by himself. Probably will be fine with Grubby though.
|
I like moletraps solo casting.
It's sad that so many people over overly critical of him.
Keep up the good work Moletrap  There are some of us that greatly appreciate all the work you've done.
|
I only saw him a few times. I don't know. He's middle of the road ok, could improve, but not bad.
I read somewhere that he is better casting alone than with a partner, why is that? And what happened to him at GSL? I listen to Korean commentators, so I don't know.
|
I would like to see Moletrap playing diamond or better on the Korean ladder before he casts another game. One of the largest issues he has is game knowledge. I understand this is an issue for many casters, but this is Proleauge and the OSL. This is supposed to be the biggest stage for professional e sports. I don't feel his game knowledge cuts it by any means consideringthe circumstances.
|
As someone who watched BW for a long time and just recently started watching sc2. I find moletrap's casting ok, especially when taking into the account that he is casting solo. I think it's too early to judge until he gets a partner or something.
|
On August 30 2012 04:15 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 04:12 elmexicano wrote:i like moletrap so many haters here in teamliquid its really sad , i like how he cast and enjoy his commentaries, like ohh no!!!!!!, dont listen to trolls moletrap, haters going to hate!!!! The world is not divided into 'people that agree with you' and 'trolls/haters'.
mm a hater, please go to rededit and make another thread to hate on moletrap, theres like 5 right now i bet at least one its yours, dont you haters have another think to do.? like play sc2 ,ladder or play guilds wars 2> shu shuuuu 
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
