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D4V3Z02
Germany693 Posts
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Picklebread
808 Posts
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how2TL
1197 Posts
Maybe have a poll also asking for rankings of people posting here. We already have a confirmed silver leaguer of all people thinking they could do a better job. | ||
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the_business_og
United States167 Posts
Also he is a bit monotone sometimes. However, he does not deserve a lot of the flaming he gets, a one man caster crew must be tough. He is getting paid for it though, so he puts himself up to scrutiny as a result. | ||
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China13814 Posts
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MiQ
Canada312 Posts
I voted "Average and has to improve" as he obviously has some stuff to work on. I'm sure Moletrap would agree with that at the very least. Just give him some time imo. He'll learn and his love for the game will do the rest. Edit: Oh and I would choose Moletrap over Khaldor in a heartbeat any day of the week. I can't put my finger on why I dislike him so much but I just can't stand him. | ||
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Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
Examples: 'So, now he's going to drop some units, hoping to harass some workers.' 'I see player A is building those barracks now, so he can build those marines.' 'Here we see an engagement, and it looks like player A is coming out on top.' To be honest, he is not by a long shot the only one who i noticed making these kind of comments, but for me, that doesn't make the point less valid. These 3 examples were not said literally, but they are for illustrative purposes. The general issue with these kind of statements is the lack of added value. The first comment could be the beginning of a nice story, told by moletrap. Is the opponent vulnerable to drops? Does the map lend itself for drops? Is some player known for dropplay or known to have terrible multitasking? Is there a positional advantage to be gained as a consequence of the drop? Is the drop part of his overall strategy, or maybe to catch the opponent off guard? Is this a doomdrop or a drop to see if i can keep the opponent occupied? As you can see, there is a lot to say about this one drop. Some of it requires knowledge of players, some of it of the map, someof it of the races, etc. Assuming Moletrap has enough knowledge, he can color all these kind of comments with it's goal or context in the game. This gives significant added value to the cast. Also, i've noted that all caster i have no significant points of improvement in my view (artosis, grubby and d'apollo) all do this. Also, spice things up! Instead of saying things to happen. Say if you like something or not. This is very delicate and difficult and can easily swing too much in the positive or negative (wolf has had this tendence a while back) direction, but it makes a cast worth soo much. These were my 2 cents, i hope they're worth anything.  | ||
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Awoodcol
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KivTM
Australia90 Posts
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MisterFred
United States2033 Posts
But Moletrap grew on me. Like a fungus. His obvious jokes are terrible, but in the way Fozzy the Bear's jokes are terrible - it becomes endearing. His subtle, dry humor is HILARIOUS and I bet 90% of people totally miss those straight-face joke deliveries. The vest he was wearing the night before was perfect! Just stuffy enough & out of date enough to fit the theme. Most of all, Moletrap is always happy and upbeat. It's kind of the opposite of South Park. South Park is often awesome, but always negative. They can't cover a subject without making fun of & belittling it, it's their schtick. Similarly, Moletrap can't help but be a fanboy constantly amazed and overjoyed to be a caster in Korea. This constant happiness and positivism is definitely one of his big selling points. Yes, he does have a bad habit of admitting when a game is over - talk about something else, play-by-play the specific action... but this is a small thing. The larger points of Moletrap's style, I hope he doesn't change. For me, Moletrap + Doa is one of the great casting combos up there with Tastetosis & Bitterdam. Moletrap provides the enthusiasm, the Fozzy jokes, and the subtle jokes Doa never gets. Doa plays the foil, cringing in horror at Moletrap's Fozzy jokes & adds the buttery-smooth radio voice. Doa might suffer, but I will enjoy Moletrap casting with him (and Moletrap casting alone) nonetheless. Moletrap fighting! | ||
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cari-kira
Germany655 Posts
Only noobs bash casters. The others see for themselves what happens in a game. Even more, when theres a dedicated observer. So for me the whole "casters need skill"-discussion is absolutely useless. And everyone who "hates" a specific caster just tells me that his opinion is worthless. | ||
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cosmo.6792
161 Posts
Moletrap (like Totalbiscuit) is at his best working as a color commentator. Provide an exciting play-by-play call on what's happening on-screen and on the mini-map. Don't overstep their bounds by trying to "analyze" the game. Leave that to the co-caster, who SHOULD be an analyst. The analyst should be a pro gamer with deep knowledge of the game, someone like Grubby or IdrA or Artosis. Unfortunately, most people in these forums don't seem to understand that color commentators are necessary in this business. They all just want a bunch of analysts droning on and on about "smart stuff". And while that may sound exciting for hardcore SC2 buffs, for the casual viewers too much analysis becomes a bore. There's a good reason why football and basketball games are almost always cast by a color commentator AND an analyst. Guys like Moletrap and Totalbiscuit are terrific, exciting color commentators. They shouldn't even try "analyzing" games. Leave that to an analytic co-caster. | ||
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MtlGuitarist97
United States1539 Posts
On August 30 2012 05:12 cari-kira wrote: My personal thoughts: Only noobs bash casters. The others see for themselves what happens in a game. Even more, when theres a dedicated observer. So for me the whole "casters need skill"-discussion is absolutely useless. And everyone who "hates" a specific caster just tells me that his opinion is worthless. I don't think this is a fair point of view. It can't be, "If you don't agree with me, you're a noob and don't deserve an opinion." I appreciate casters and know that it is a very, very hard job and that it can't always be expected for them to cast perfectly, but I still expect a certain level of quality. Everyone has bad days, but there has to be a time where the caster improves upon their skills. No one can be expected to improve if there is no criticism. So Moletrap, I think that you are decent but you still have some areas to improve on. I think for starters, maybe work with another caster once a day for a few minutes and try to avoid talking over them. Know when it's appropriate to correct your co-caster (there have been times when every caster has done this and potentially embarrassed their co-caster) as to not embarrass them. Another gripe that I find is that you sometimes will over-exaggerate the excitement and tension in one certain situation, but greatly under-exaggerate it in another. Just work on keeping your volume and excitement levels consistent and to not get too worked up over small things like minor harassment. If a hellion runby kills 25 drones, obviously you should get excited over it, but if a drop kills 5-7 workers, there's no real excitement. Overall, I will continue to tune into OGN's stream and I hope that you, Grubby and DoA all work well together =) | ||
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phoenixfeather95
665 Posts
Does anyone know Moletrap's sc2 league / rank? It might give a hint on why his knowledge of the game is not quite up to par with other casters. | ||
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nakam
Sweden245 Posts
On August 30 2012 05:18 cosmo.6792 wrote: It's misguided to ask casters like Moletrap and Totalbiscuit to raise their high-level knowledge of the game. These guys are not GM level players. They never will be. Consequently, they will NEVER become good analysts. Trying to shoehorn them into the "analyst" role is a recipe for disaster. The only thing worse than a caster that offers no analysis, is a caster that offers wrong analysis. Moletrap (like Totalbiscuit) is at his best working as a color commentator. Provide an exciting play-by-play call on what's happening on-screen and on the mini-map. Don't overstep their bounds by trying to "analyze" the game. Leave that to the co-caster, who SHOULD be an analyst. The analyst should be a pro gamer with deep knowledge of the game, someone like Grubby or IdrA or Artosis. Unfortunately, most people in these forums don't seem to understand that color commentators are necessary in this business. They all just want a bunch of analysts droning on and on about "smart stuff". And while that may sound exciting for hardcore SC2 buffs, for the casual viewers too much analysis becomes a bore. There's a good reason why football and basketball games are almost always cast by a color commentator AND an analyst. Guys like Moletrap and Totalbiscuit are terrific, exciting color commentators. They shouldn't even try "analyzing" games. Leave that to an analytic co-caster. Wow. Everything you just wrote is completely true and what I've been wanting to say a long time. Unfortunately many tournaments don't understand this either and pairs two play-by-play casters together without anyone knowing the game and think it will be as good as Tasteless (play-by-play) and Artosis (color). Moletrap+DOA as originally indended in OSL won't be very good as neither has any analytical skills. Edit: On topic - I think Moletrap is a great play-by-play caster that fits OSL very well since he knows alot of trivia about the BW progamers. He does need to work on commentating together with others. | ||
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Jermman
Canada174 Posts
That's all I got from the original post. | ||
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NeMeSiS3
Canada2972 Posts
If you just relaxed more, kept your pitch/voice calm and casted the game not even analytically but in a way that is more relaxing and less "HE HAS THIS IN THE BAG OMGOMGOMGOGMGOMG" and the he loses you'd be a 10x better caster. NOTES: Talk less Think more Don't over hype You can be a great caster, just relax. | ||
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Kazuki
Netherlands121 Posts
On August 30 2012 04:25 Picklebread wrote: Hes the reason why i don't watch code a and OSL. He's not been casting Code A for a long time now though ~_~; Moletrap needs to start playing the game, make notes about build openers, build orders, strategies, information on players' playstyle. I don't care, for my part he sits down with Artosis and asks for insight and help. People saying that he works hard, well it's not showing when he doesn't know that you need an Armory for 2-2 upgrades and that when two times two Zealots get warped in someone's mineral line, he'll lose more than five or six workers if the workers are the only ones attacking them. Things like when MVP's mineral line got attacked, he said something like: "Well he sends his whole army down to deal with those few zealots, but I guess it's okay since he wasn't doing with his army anyway. It's only good to keep his troops busy..." Sigh. Another problem is that Moletrap can't observe himself. He needs to go and talk to OSL about that and make sure he gets his own observing station. gogo moletrap~ | ||
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ThatGuy89
United Kingdom1968 Posts
Ill be honest, while he was part of the SC2 scene, he was imo easily the worst caster (even worse then derptorp) and thats still probably the same, but ill give him another try before i vote, seeing as how hes apparently better now. Sucks that most people wont be able to watch grubby cast just becuase hes with moletrap User was warned for this post | ||
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cari-kira
Germany655 Posts
On August 30 2012 05:27 MtlGuitarist97 wrote: I don't think this is a fair point of view. It can't be, "If you don't agree with me, you're a noob and don't deserve an opinion." I appreciate casters and know that it is a very, very hard job and that it can't always be expected for them to cast perfectly, but I still expect a certain level of quality. Everyone has bad days, but there has to be a time where the caster improves upon their skills. No one can be expected to improve if there is no criticism. So Moletrap, I think that you are decent but you still have some areas to improve on. I think for starters, maybe work with another caster once a day for a few minutes and try to avoid talking over them. Know when it's appropriate to correct your co-caster (there have been times when every caster has done this and potentially embarrassed their co-caster) as to not embarrass them. Another gripe that I find is that you sometimes will over-exaggerate the excitement and tension in one certain situation, but greatly under-exaggerate it in another. Just work on keeping your volume and excitement levels consistent and to not get too worked up over small things like minor harassment. If a hellion runby kills 25 drones, obviously you should get excited over it, but if a drop kills 5-7 workers, there's no real excitement. Overall, I will continue to tune into OGN's stream and I hope that you, Grubby and DoA all work well together =) I think i perhaps didnt made myself clear. The sentence about "worthless opinions" was all about the "hating". There is no definition, what skills a caster has to have. You can get used to listen to a caster, if you dont "hate". I think people who "hate" have a mental problem. Seems to be a reality in the internet. But that dioesnt mean you have to adjust your product to these people. Its the loud minority in my eyes. | ||
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