On August 30 2012 07:06 Cleavin wrote: Either Moletrap or the casting conditions OGN gave him (monitor 'n such) need to improve... alot.
RO 16 day 2 MVP vs Flying: Flying does some super agressive immortal sentry with pylon warping in zealots in the main and kills 25 Mvp SCVs. the director shows SCVs killed smack in the middle of the screen and Moletrap goes on saying Mvp didn't take much damage... 5, 6 maybe 7 SCVs... wtf man..
EDIT: damn guess i'm #2 with this one.
OSL honestly needs a second observer to be able to do both languages you cant run 2 differents sets of casters off of 1 observer. It's why GOM can do so. They have heavenlydom doing the observing for the koreans and they have ST_Legend obsing the english cast so if they ask for something he can show them what tab or stats they want to see while the game is going instead of having to guess and not having useless tabs (units while a fights going instead of production. Good to see units but i can see them dying on the screen maybe after the battle i'd like to see the numbers and units killed.) Overall the whole english broadcast needs work imo
Wasn't a fan of mole trap before, still not a fan after osl. Unfortunately my main concern is his voice, which can't be changed. Would be interested in watching Doa/Grubby
I said this before in another thread but interesting fact - Moletrap rarely interrupted anyone (if he did, he asked first if it was okay) and was more knowledgeable in BW than in SC2.
Now, some may not like Moletrap even in BW but the majority liked him and was at least fine with him (better in co casts because he did well).
I guess Moletrap isn't as interested in SC2 as in BW which is a bit disappointing. I want Moletrap to succeed. I do hope he tries to get into SC2 more to become a better caster.
He has the potential as seen in BW (and he did fine in BW).
Maybe one reason is that all of Moletrap's old co casters from BW are gone, so he's in new territory with new people (maybe uncomfortable for him). Though, I don't really know. I do wish things go well for him in the future and that he can improve so that we can see BW Moletrap except in SC2 (maybe more better too).
Also here's Moletrap and Klazart casting that infamous MSL Flash vs Jaedong Finals:
(Also Moletrap's thought on Jaedong given the win at around 24 minutes and 30 seconds. Basically he understands and makes the point it would have been unfair to Jaedong too if they did a rematch [in any case, it's a lose lose all around as it's hard to make the right calls].)
As you can see in the video (they start talking about the game instead of the players a minute in), Moletrap is much better in BW than in SC2 (especially with co casting).
Again, I hope somehow the old BW Moletrap returns (someone get Moletrap and Tasteless together so they can restore their passion!!!11).
I don't want to sound like I'm selling the guy short, but some people have the charisma and personalities to be presenters/commentators. And some people just don't. Even if he were to significantly improve his game knowledge, the underlying tones and awkwardness in his commentary would still make it very difficult for me to listen. I really try to appreciate the varying styles and personalities that are out there, but not everyone was meant to be a radio host or a news reader. The same goes for commentators. No-one can challenge his passion though - he has my respect in that regard.
On August 30 2012 09:20 Dox wrote: I don't want to sound like I'm selling the guy short, but some people have the charisma and personalities to be presenters/commentators. And some people just don't. Even if he were to significantly improve his game knowledge, the underlying tones and awkwardness in his commentary would still make it very difficult for me to listen. I really try to appreciate the varying styles and personalities that are out there, but not everyone was meant to be a radio host or a news reader. The same goes for commentators. No-one can challenge his passion though - he has my respect in that regard.
i have no problem with his charisma, its his lack of knowledge that turns me off.
so much of what he doesn't know can be fixed by just playing the damn game
Keep in mind guys, moletrap also has to cast LoL for OGN as well, which no other caster has had to do on a consistent basis(although one guy casted multiple game titles at the WCG USA finals I worked at in 08). That being said I've always been a fan of his since his first video, his commentaries got me into the pro SC scene and I've also met him in real life at the forementioned WCG event and he's a cool guy. Also unlike Tastosis, moletrap has never been a high level SC player to my knowledge. I imagine the old moletrap would get even more flak than now since he swore a lot back in his starting days.
Very hypercritical for people to hate on Moletrap but love Tasteless, when they both are both pretty much the same type of caster and have the same knowledge of the game.
On August 30 2012 09:32 RainmanMP wrote: Keep in mind guys, moletrap also has to cast LoL for OGN as well, which no other caster has had to do on a consistent basis(although one guy casted multiple game titles at the WCG USA finals I worked at in 08). That being said I've always been a fan of his since his first video, his commentaries got me into the pro SC scene and I've also met him in real life at the forementioned WCG event and he's a cool guy. Also unlike Tastosis, moletrap has never been a high level SC player to my knowledge. I imagine the old moletrap would get even more flak than now since he swore a lot back in his starting days.
He stopped swearing when people told him to stop + He was just commentating for youtube rather than doing it professionally (which means he's allowed to swear + we all know how youtube personalities wear).
As for his game knowledge. Moletrap (like *Tasteless) was actually knowledgeable of BW (he knew a lot of the builds and the players and usually knew what they usually did).
*A lot of people like Tasteless but a common criticism of Tasteless today is that he doesn't know as much about SC2 as he did in BW (cue jokes about Tasteless losing his passion).
Yes, Moletrap didn't play high level but he knew the game really well (much better than SC2).
I don't know what exactly happened but Moletrap just isn't the same in SC2.
Few people dislike Moletrap's BW commentaries. The few that did were those minority that hated on anyone (if I link to the old moletrap/diggity commentary thread, you can see a poster hating on Tasteless).
The sad part is that most people don't know that and start flaming him and not giving him a chance.
If we can somehow get the old BW Moletrap back, things will be much better.
See my last post for a video of Moletrap and Klazart casting together.
I used to be annoyed by the tone of Moletraps voice or some superficial garbage like that until i grew up and started to really look at caster for who he really is. In my eyes Moletrap is brutally honest which is if not the best qualily a human being can have. Sure he made bad judgement calls at the last aired OSL and i kind of felt he was being pressured to analyze the game when he might need more time to familiarize himself with the games current trends. In time he will be kicking ass and taking names so keep on trucking Moletrap.
ps, the 80s vest getup with that floating desk is so bad its good, i love it.
moletrap needs to observe the game much better. he misses key points in the game, that me - the end user, can even spot out /notice with relative ease. yelling doesnt help either to hype up a battle - most of the times its just painful with in-ear headsets on.
He needs to really work on his sc2 knowledge... his play by play is fine and he has good enthusiasm... hopefully with grubby at his side the commentary will be better analytically..
Also, if he is the one who did the obsing that also needs to improve as well
I think Moletrap needs to get the game more, heck anyone can do what moletrap is currently doing. i.e stating the blatantly obvious. And there are plenty of people that have nicer voices/ not saying his voice is bad or anything.
What he needs is some game knowledge, maybe he should try get into diamond at least. People used to hate on Husky for having bad game knowledge but he at least made it into diamond.
I think the reason he is not that good of a caster is because he lacks game knowledge, and there is more casters such as Dao and Wolf who share this for a certain part in my opinion. Ofcourse I don't know how they practice their casting if they do, but I think that's important. They should watch replays very often at home just analysing by themselves and try to play the game more serious and get higher league placements, to understand the game as they play themselves.
You can see casters like Day[9], Artosis, Tasteless and such have played games on a high competitive level themselves, and in combination with decent sound they are very entertaining.
From the day that Moletrap was casting Code A I thought he lacked game knowledge and was hoping he would improve that, I haven't seen that yet. So I hope he does, because he is a great guy with a hearth for eSports, like we all have here.
On August 30 2012 09:32 RainmanMP wrote: Keep in mind guys, moletrap also has to cast LoL for OGN as well, which no other caster has had to do on a consistent basis(although one guy casted multiple game titles at the WCG USA finals I worked at in 08). That being said I've always been a fan of his since his first video, his commentaries got me into the pro SC scene and I've also met him in real life at the forementioned WCG event and he's a cool guy. Also unlike Tastosis, moletrap has never been a high level SC player to my knowledge. I imagine the old moletrap would get even more flak than now since he swore a lot back in his starting days.
He stopped swearing when people told him to stop + He was just commentating for youtube rather than doing it professionally (which means he's allowed to swear + we all know how youtube personalities wear).
As for his game knowledge. Moletrap (like *Tasteless) was actually knowledgeable of BW (he knew a lot of the builds and the players and usually knew what they usually did).
*A lot of people like Tasteless but a common criticism of Tasteless today is that he doesn't know as much about SC2 as he did in BW (cue jokes about Tasteless losing his passion).
Yes, Moletrap didn't play high level but he knew the game really well (much better than SC2).
I don't know what exactly happened but Moletrap just isn't the same in SC2.
Few people dislike Moletrap's BW commentaries. The few that did were those minority that hated on anyone (if I link to the old moletrap/diggity commentary thread, you can see a poster hating on Tasteless).
The sad part is that most people don't know that and start flaming him and not giving him a chance.
If we can somehow get the old BW Moletrap back, things will be much better.
See my last post for a video of Moletrap and Klazart casting together.
More people need to be like you and give good feedback like that. Diggity does LoL a ton now(streams every night) and even if he did SC2 I'm sure he has no desire to do what moletrap does even though they were good together. I don't watch GSL since I don't wanna pay for it so I can't give any opinions on Tasteless. Met Artosis as well and that guy is awesome. Maybe the reason moletrap was better back then was because tbh, there weren't that many people doing commentary and there was no livestreaming at all, so commentary was a lot more I guess required and taught you a lot. And there was no money involved(no ads on YouTube) either, just pure fun. I used to cast BW games way back when but stopped due to a ton of flak about my half a lisp and I basically took a couple year hiatus from actively following and watching SC games after the match fixing scandal hit. I also think he didn't get as much hate back then because there weren't really any other consistent commentators besides Moletrap, Diggity and Klazart. Tasteless didn't really start doing it till the original BW GSL other than guest casting at foreign events like WCG.
This may sound overly particular but I remember a time when IMMvp was in Code A and he was facing SlayerS_Mia, and Doa was saying "well hey, Mia is on slayers ect... he is probably pretty good" and Moletrap had this super sarcastic tone and just was basically like theres NO way in hell hes gunna win. As a slayers fan and GSL viewer I found this Anti-Hype incredibly annoying.
I remember seeing his brood war stuff and didn't mind it at the time, but now I really dislike him. I don't like his contenet and even his voice. Its nothing personal I just dont think hes meant for the role (ie. I don't think he would have never gotten anywhere in professional sports casting).
I feel its getting better with these threads, but I have always felt that it is hard to critisize someone (especially casters) in esports because you automatically come off as "flamming". I think something like OSL/GSL needs a very universally accepted caster, not someone that 17% (from OP) really enjoy.
Overall I feel we need tougher standards for casting not just networking (atleast in the infancy of SCII). I think he was sort of in the right place at the right time. I do not mean this just personally but based off of the staggering results of his polls of the past. Someone needs to start taking these seriously because I garuntee he has hurt GSL/OSL more than helped.
PS. this is NOTHING personal MT, Im not saying you don't have a career in esports and I know you love SC
ugh why is he still casting. he clearly has no love for anything but broodwar. hes not even entertaining or funny to help fill his gaps of knowledge and passion. maybe with the right co caster and a complete change in attitude I could deal with him. he has been manageing his voice alot better since he moved to ogn. but listening to him squeal stupid, wrong commentary over his co-casters at gom left a very bad taste in my mouth.
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