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Irave
United States9965 Posts
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phunnykidd
United States22 Posts
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Goldfish
2230 Posts
On August 30 2012 10:06 RainmanMP wrote: More people need to be like you and give good feedback like that. Diggity does LoL a ton now(streams every night) and even if he did SC2 I'm sure he has no desire to do what moletrap does even though they were good together. I don't watch GSL since I don't wanna pay for it so I can't give any opinions on Tasteless. Met Artosis as well and that guy is awesome. Maybe the reason moletrap was better back then was because tbh, there weren't that many people doing commentary and there was no livestreaming at all, so commentary was a lot more I guess required and taught you a lot. And there was no money involved(no ads on YouTube) either, just pure fun. I used to cast BW games way back when but stopped due to a ton of flak about my half a lisp and I basically took a couple year hiatus from actively following and watching SC games after the match fixing scandal hit. I also think he didn't get as much hate back then because there weren't really any other consistent commentators besides Moletrap, Diggity and Klazart. Tasteless didn't really start doing it till the original BW GSL other than guest casting at foreign events like WCG. Thanks for the reply  .Well, you're right he probably did better because there was no pressure and was fun. I disagree with him being less hated back then because there weren't many other casters. The main reason was that he was actually really good back then. If you compare him back then to him today, it's much different. If you ever link to Moletrap or get people to watch them, few people hated him but yet liked his video. Also I noticed people are starting to bandwagon and just accumulate negativity towards Moletrap. For example, I remember someone mishearing Moletrap say something negative regarding Flash and then posting it as (assumingly) an attempt to get more people to hate on him. (This happens often actually. Did Moletrap say just say <insert something negative here> when in fact he didn't.) Moletrap probably knows Flash better than most people (at least the SC2 side of the community) here. He's a veteran of the SC community and knows a ton about BW. You can criticism (constructively) him but take note he has the potential to be really good (see his casting in BW). Honestly, I wonder how well Moletrap knows about this. He has what it takes to be a professional caster but I'm not sure what's going on exactly. Pressure from casting on TV and professionally? Lack of old fellow co casters from times of old? Lost of passion for game and SC2? Again, the video I posted of Moletrap and Klazart, Moletrap was spot on. Mentioning and memorizing the builds Flash and Jaedong used. Mentioning how Jaedong shouldn't have did the guardian strategy against Flash because he should have seen the game where other Zergs used it and failed. Finally, his analysis on giving Jaedong the win due to the power outage mid game. He says that it is unfair to Flash since he still had a chance but if they rematched, it would probably be more unfair to Jaedong, especially if in the rematch Jaedong lost because he had an advantage (see Parting vs MKP disconnect debate for example). Basically, Moletrap was gosu at BW commentary. In SC2, he rarely does it anymore. He's much worse in SC2 than in BW and I do hope he somehow regains his passion (yeah, it's a bit cheesy but it's probably true and the reason why he's not doing so well in SC2) for commentating SC. | ||
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RainmanMP
United States1698 Posts
On August 30 2012 13:07 Goldfish wrote: Thanks for the reply .Well, you're right he probably did better because there was no pressure and was fun. I disagree with him being less hated back then because there weren't many other casters. The main reason was that he was actually really good back then. If you compare him back then to him today, it's much different. If you ever link to Moletrap or get people to watch them, few people hated him but yet liked his video. Also I noticed people are starting to bandwagon and just accumulate negativity towards Moletrap. For example, I remember someone mishearing Moletrap say something negative regarding Flash and then posting it as (assumingly) an attempt to get more people to hate on him. (This happens often actually. Did Moletrap say just say <insert something negative here> when in fact he didn't.) Moletrap probably knows Flash better than most people (at least the SC2 side of the community) here. He's a veteran of the SC community and knows a ton about BW. You can criticism (constructively) him but take note he has the potential to be really good (see his casting in BW). Honestly, I wonder how well Moletrap knows about this. He has what it takes to be a professional caster but I'm not sure what's going on exactly. Pressure from casting on TV and professionally? Lack of old fellow co casters from times of old? Lost of passion for game and SC2? Again, the video I posted of Moletrap and Klazart, Moletrap was spot on. Mentioning and memorizing the builds Flash and Jaedong used. Mentioning how Jaedong shouldn't have did the guardian strategy against Flash because he should have seen the game where other Zergs used it and failed. Basically owning it up in terms of BW commentating. In SC2, he rarely does it anymore. He's much worse in SC2 than in BW and I do hope he somehow regains his passion (yeah, it's a bit cheesy but it's probably true and the reason why he's not doing so well in SC2) for commentating SC. Good points indeed my friend. One HUGE difference was that BW was basically limited to one scene back then and you only had to tune into PL/OSL/MSL to get coverage. Now you can watch high level SC2 24/7 for the rest of your life with the plethora of prestigious leagues out there(MLG,WCS,GSL,OSL,IPL,NASL etc). Add to that all of the daily stuff going on with some organizations and the fact that there's daily stuff going on for a little prize money. And there are buttfucktonloads of livestreams going on thru twitch. I remember back in the BW days when the calendar would have empty days, now the calendar is gifuckingantic. Basically just trying to say that the SC2 scene is waaaaaaay bigger than the BW scene was back in the day so it's a lot harder to keep track of players and whats going on with the metagame. | ||
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
normaly i REALLY was ok with him, but today there is the pic of 25 scv went down for mvp and he says 4-5 times "oh only 5-7 scv down jaeh " and then 20 minutes later sees the picture of 30 scv went down and goes crazy how much the eco harrass few seconds ago brought ...such mistakes would be EASILY fixed with a co caster and its not osl fault DoA got sick hardcore ... i am sure with a GOOD caster like DoA on his side, moletrap will do fine again. in gsl with cocaster he always was ok (its just hes no stand alone caster guy) | ||
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czylu
477 Posts
On August 30 2012 14:05 CoR wrote: he NEEDS a coactor normaly i REALLY was ok with him, but today there is the pic of 25 scv went down for mvp and he says 4-5 times "oh only 5-7 scv down jaeh " and then 20 minutes later sees the picture of 30 scv went down and goes crazy how much the eco harrass few seconds ago brought ...such mistakes would be EASILY fixed with a co caster and its not osl fault DoA got sick hardcore ... i am sure with a GOOD caster like DoA on his side, moletrap will do fine again. in gsl with cocaster he always was ok (its just hes no stand alone caster guy) Just watched that game. Moletrap: "circa 5-6 scvs" Units lost tab: 25 workers lost -.- I don't think a co-caster would have helped, he just needs to pay better attention | ||
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ImNightmare
1575 Posts
Well two, but one can argue all he really needs is to pay attention and things would naturally stick in place. It seems more like he is not genuinely into the games at all apart from the outburst you get which really doesn't help if your build up prior to the outburst is not conducted well enough. | ||
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Technique
Netherlands1542 Posts
On August 30 2012 03:32 nmetasch wrote: It appears clear that he will be casting for OGN long term, so rather than flame him post after post, why don't we attempt to make a constructive criticism thread? When I searched TL for a Moletrap feedback thread, I was astonished that there wasn't one. Maybe if there was one, his casting would have improved much more a long time ago. Because he didn't make one, so why would you make one for him? This topic won't generate any proper feedback, it will just be an outlet for the people that don't like him. | ||
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Ammoth
Sweden391 Posts
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On August 30 2012 13:19 RainmanMP wrote: Good points indeed my friend. One HUGE difference was that BW was basically limited to one scene back then and you only had to tune into PL/OSL/MSL to get coverage. Now you can watch high level SC2 24/7 for the rest of your life with the plethora of prestigious leagues out there(MLG,WCS,GSL,OSL,IPL,NASL etc). Add to that all of the daily stuff going on with some organizations and the fact that there's daily stuff going on for a little prize money. And there are buttfucktonloads of livestreams going on thru twitch. I remember back in the BW days when the calendar would have empty days, now the calendar is gifuckingantic. Basically just trying to say that the SC2 scene is waaaaaaay bigger than the BW scene was back in the day so it's a lot harder to keep track of players and whats going on with the metagame. You don't need to watch every game of every tournament to keep up with the metagame, nor is anyone really expecting him to be on the absolute cutting edge of every recent trend. He just has to have SOME knowledge of what's going on in the games, pay attention, and do some research beforehand on the players/maps. I mean, it's just basic stuff. | ||
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MrLion
India93 Posts
Does Moletrap even care, or does think of everyone as ragers/trolls/haters/whatever. The only thing I can advice is to actually read the criticism and improve upon it. | ||
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Bam Lee
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Zandar
Netherlands1541 Posts
He's just spent a lot of time casting another game, LoL, of course he has to get into sc2 a bit again. And then he had to cast solo, from a screen he had no control over, and people immediately jump if he misses an armory. I do agree though that Moletrap should focus more on the Tasteless role, and with Grubby next to him that's a great chance to do that. | ||
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Bocian
Poland259 Posts
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Bocian
Poland259 Posts
On August 30 2012 20:42 Zandar wrote: All those haters should give the guy a break. He's just spent a lot of time casting another game, LoL, of course he has to get into sc2 a bit again. And then he had to cast solo, from a screen he had no control over, and people immediately jump if he misses an armory. I do agree though that Moletrap should focus more on the Tasteless role, and with Grubby next to him that's a great chance to do that. tastosis also cast form a screen they don't have control so they can focus more on what they say | ||
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S2Glow
Singapore1042 Posts
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lightertripod
United Kingdom44 Posts
If it is how it seems no control having to view on a poor screen while solo casting with no one to pick up on stuff you missed then he is doing a pretty good job tbh I just hope that when grubby gets there he point blank refuses to work in those condtions and they make changes. other than that I think most peoples issue are down to personallity and well thats a personal preffrance thing | ||
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Lysanias
Netherlands8351 Posts
On August 30 2012 20:42 Zandar wrote: All those haters should give the guy a break. He's just spent a lot of time casting another game, LoL, of course he has to get into sc2 a bit again. And then he had to cast solo, from a screen he had no control over, and people immediately jump if he misses an armory. I do agree though that Moletrap should focus more on the Tasteless role, and with Grubby next to him that's a great chance to do that. Did he not know when he signed with OGN that he would do OSL ? If he really only wanted to do LoL then i agree, somehow i doubt he did not know he would be casting OSL and in that case your excuse makes no sense at all. | ||
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animagne
United Kingdom47 Posts
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Sinensis
United States2513 Posts
Also, I don't know if this is true, but I have read in many forum posts that moletrap is only in gold league and that is not really acceptable for someone who is supposed to be analyzing the best players in the world live. I think maybe getting some coaching from one of the pros and playing more would help him more than anything. It would give him more to talk about when the time came to cast. On August 30 2012 09:37 Highways wrote: I don't mind him. Very hypercritical for people to hate on Moletrap but love Tasteless, when they both are both pretty much the same type of caster and have the same knowledge of the game. Except Tasteless enjoys himself, gets excited, has better crowd charisma or something, and makes me feel like I'm having a good time too. His personality adds hype. He's really good at that. | ||
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