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On August 30 2012 12:12 phunnykidd wrote: moletrap " mvp maybe lost 5 or 6 scvs... circa 7 scvs" in reality they JUST showed the worker kill count and its 24!! what an idiot
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watching him cast MC vs a kespa toss was soooo bad. the whole time it was obvious MC was going for a blink stalker play to FF the ramp to keep him out of his main, and moletrap is like "oh MC always does this, he always has sentries for guardian shields! he loves it!!" umm no? then he sees the warp prism carrying the sentries, even MORE obvious he then says " oh wow MC going for an elevator strategy with all his men now!" um NOOOOOO you idiot he has BLINK!
dude... its just soooo frustrating. i think im gonna watch the korean stream for now on T_T
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I'm not really a fan of moletrap but I'm not a hater, he has room for improvement and considering grubby will co-cast him I guess he could improve his casting on the OSL
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You guys should realize he is solo casting with no access to the game client. It's not like he has the same resources as GSL. Yeah, people like me also do the same thing from home, but it's definitely not easy and I make mistakes too. Don't criticize him as much for things like that.
Personally I think he needs to brush up on his game knowledge, because he is making many wrong calls in games. It's hard for him to be stuck with the current role of analyst and "noob friendly" caster, I would wait until he has Grubby supporting him before make decisions about not watching because of him. His bias toward players and teams is distracting, but that happens for many casters, it's natural.
I think he'll recognize his current casting is not at his best level and it's affected by many things. Don't rush to judgment and miss something like Grubby casting with him.
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I think ooooophidians points are valid, grubby as co caster will make the duo great imho. keep at it moletrap much <3 for the content u provide/castings. thx
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i will probably get flamed for this but i cannot stand his low league quality knowledge base and thus primitive casting analysis level. he just makes nonsensical conclusions that any more expierenced player would be like "uhhhhh.....no?, have u even considered these obvious counter arugments to that idea, e.g. x,y,z," it really ruins the game for me, i cant stand knowing way more than the purported 'expert commentator'. it makes ogn look like a joke imo, even tho i KNOW its not.
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On August 31 2012 11:39 Kfcnoob wrote: i will probably get flamed for this but i cannot stand his low league quality knowledge base and thus primitive casting analysis level. he just makes nonsensical conclusions that any more expierenced player would be like "uhhhhh.....no?, have u even considered these obvious counter arugments to that idea, e.g. x,y,z," it really ruins the game for me, i cant stand knowing way more than the purported 'expert commentator'. it makes ogn look like a joke imo, even tho i KNOW its not.
Do not start a thought with that if you ever want to be taken seriously. You're just asking people to flame you... why? Don't you take your contributions seriously enough to expect them not to be flamed?
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managed to watch one vod yesterday, he really wasnt that bad
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My opinion is this, please let me know if you disagree.
It seems like most haters hate the fact that he lacks game knowledge and has bad casting skills
Most supporters say "he just needs to brush up on knowledge and it should be good to go"
However, the thing is, moletrap has been professional (getting paid to do so) casting starcraft 2 for basically a year +. How can a person getting paid to do his job STILL have to "brush up" knowledge after a year of doing it professionally??
I think that ALONE makes me question moletrap's effort in his job and his commitment. I criticize him because i see NO improvements in all of his mistakes. It seems like hes just doing it to get by and not trying to do it better.
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On August 31 2012 03:08 JeffVader wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 02:41 ElephantBaby wrote: You are biased already by starting this thread.
Love moletrap, and always will. Sorry but isn't this the definition of biased? You saying you love him and always will?
I'm presenting my own support, but he is trying to start a riot.
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yeah to sum it up , its the game knowledge that is an issue. prob ogn need to hire a caster that atleast have 1000+ points in masters before able to cast haha
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Hey man I used to hate your casting back in GomTV, to the point of muting. You have improved quite a lot, still not my favorite but a solid caster. Keep it up. Looking forward to seeing you cast with Grubby.
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On August 30 2012 04:16 BoZiffer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 03:50 bigtabs wrote:
He needs to vastly improve his working knowledge of Starcraft 2. I feel I know more about it than he does and I've only been playing irregularly for 6 months and am a lowly silver leaguer. He's had 2 years as a professional caster. He should know a lot more than I do about the game. On that note, I think he should recieve some coaching in all the races and play them regularly. Even if his mechanics hold him in the lower leagues, he needs to understand the game at a higher level.
Pretty much this. I can tolerate a less than gold plated radio voice or tangential stories if I am getting competent in-game perspective. I don't need Moletrap to be an analyst but I do need him to have a better understanding of the inner-workings of the game to keep me listening if he's by himself. Probably will be fine with Grubby though.
This so much. When his cast is obviously incorrect I get angry at him. Basically I can't trust anything that he's saying because he might be completely wrong on the simpliest issue. I'm better off muting the stream and listening to music when he's actually spreading misinformation about what's going on in game.
On August 31 2012 11:31 oOOoOphidian wrote: You guys should realize he is solo casting with no access to the game client. It's not like he has the same resources as GSL. Yeah, people like me also do the same thing from home, but it's definitely not easy and I make mistakes too. Don't criticize him as much for things like that.
Personally I think he needs to brush up on his game knowledge, because he is making many wrong calls in games. It's hard for him to be stuck with the current role of analyst and "noob friendly" caster, I would wait until he has Grubby supporting him before make decisions about not watching because of him. His bias toward players and teams is distracting, but that happens for many casters, it's natural.
I think he'll recognize his current casting is not at his best level and it's affected by many things. Don't rush to judgment and miss something like Grubby casting with him.
Sorry, but this is irrelivant to me. It's part of the reason, sure, but he doesn't get forgiven for it. I'm sorry, but he's casting. him. He's the dude sitting behind the desk so he's the one who cops the hate. It may be unfair, but that's the way it works. When he says he can't see the supply count because the display is bad I just think 'wow, this is a crap cast. I can see the supply count, why bother with the cast?' What do you think tastosis would do if they couldn't see the supply count?
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I liked him better when he was casting LoL to be honest. Much more his element I think.
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I have nothing against moletrap, but he constantly try to predict the obvious and when it happens he yells out "See, I called it." The complete lack of game knowledge is intolerable...
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On August 31 2012 14:34 VirgilSC2 wrote: I liked him better when he was casting LoL to be honest. Much more his element I think.
He does play-by-play only in the OGN LOL casting, while Torch(or Scarra/Locodoco) did the analysis. His play-by-play was tolerable and decent. The problem w/ his SC2 casting is he's kinda forced into the analyst role simply because of his knowledge(and lets be real here, he knows a LOT about the players and their styles as he's been casting starcraft for years). He just sounds like a pompous idiot because of the way he casts, interrupting people and completely missing what's on the screen, but he actually does know A LOT about the game.
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He's just not very engaging, accurate, or enthusiastic. I wish we could just get grubby to solo cast the OSL. This is really quite a shame.
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IMO he brings nothing to the table. He's not funny or personable, he doesn't mesh well with other casters and help create synergy he's not good at play by play, he doesn't provide in depth analysis, he doesn't have insight into the current metagame, he doesn't have info on lesser known players, (this from GSL days, everyone is OSL is well known) he doesn't have stats on recent results from well known players So my 'constructive criticism' is thus: Dearest Moletrap, pick one of the items above and learn to do it. The last two would be a great idea, as all it requires is a bit of effort and research. Or just wait for grubby to arrive. Grubby is a superhero and will save OSL from their crappy format/stream/moletrap.
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On August 31 2012 13:56 ElephantBaby wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 03:08 JeffVader wrote:On August 31 2012 02:41 ElephantBaby wrote: You are biased already by starting this thread.
Love moletrap, and always will. Sorry but isn't this the definition of biased? You saying you love him and always will? I'm presenting my own support, but he is trying to start a riot.
I'm not trying to start a riot, i'm trying to make a situation that would normally drive me away from watching OSL events with English commentary in favor of Korean commentary more favorable. How would you have approached the situation in a less biased way? I made as many points as I could to show respect to Moletrap and make this thread constructive. I'm trying to do everything in my power, as a consumer, to make a product that I am very interested in, more attractive than it currently is.
If I were trying to start a riot, I would have just suggested all of the angry Moletrap haters all email Kespa that they are boycotting if he casts. I doubt OGN will ever even see this thread. Moletrap, on the other hand, will see it. And I hope he can appreciate the people giving honest feedback, and ignore the people rudely flaming him. I in no way condone the sort of approach and attitude many people in this thread are taking, and wish it to be as civil and polite as possible. I believe that, if Moletrap is willing to listen to much of his feedback, he can become a quality caster. Infact, there have been marked improvements in his casting not, in my view, since his switch to OSL from GSL. However, unfortunately, it is still not on par with what I would expect from a caster of the one of the most prestigious leagues in the history of esports, and a premeir Starcraft 2 league at that.
So my apologies for voicing my opinion and doing my part as a consumer to try to help a product I want to support improve.
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