On August 31 2012 02:41 ElephantBaby wrote: You are biased already by starting this thread.
Love moletrap, and always will.
Sorry but isn't this the definition of biased? You saying you love him and always will?
I'm presenting my own support, but he is trying to start a riot.
I'm not trying to start a riot, i'm trying to make a situation that would normally drive me away from watching OSL events with English commentary in favor of Korean commentary more favorable. How would you have approached the situation in a less biased way? I made as many points as I could to show respect to Moletrap and make this thread constructive. I'm trying to do everything in my power, as a consumer, to make a product that I am very interested in, more attractive than it currently is.
If I were trying to start a riot, I would have just suggested all of the angry Moletrap haters all email Kespa that they are boycotting if he casts. I doubt OGN will ever even see this thread. Moletrap, on the other hand, will see it. And I hope he can appreciate the people giving honest feedback, and ignore the people rudely flaming him. I in no way condone the sort of approach and attitude many people in this thread are taking, and wish it to be as civil and polite as possible. I believe that, if Moletrap is willing to listen to much of his feedback, he can become a quality caster. Infact, there have been marked improvements in his casting not, in my view, since his switch to OSL from GSL. However, unfortunately, it is still not on par with what I would expect from a caster of the one of the most prestigious leagues in the history of esports, and a premeir Starcraft 2 league at that.
So my apologies for voicing my opinion and doing my part as a consumer to try to help a product I want to support improve.
In my eyes, you are doing that by wearing a bullet proof suit. If you want to present your opinions, just start a thread saying he is bad, don't start a thread calling for people's "feedback", appearing to be objective, but obviously you are negative towards him. Official feedback thread should only be opened by neutral individual, TL staff or Moletrap himself.
If you want to present your opinions, just start a thread saying he is bad, don't start a thread calling for people's "feedback", appearing to be objective, but obviously you are negative towards him
...obviously?
How is it so obvious? The OP calls for constructive criticism and level headed discussion
If you want to present your opinions, just start a thread saying he is bad, don't start a thread calling for people's "feedback", appearing to be objective, but obviously you are negative towards him
...obviously?
How is it so obvious? The OP calls for constructive criticism and level headed discussion
1. If this thread is not started with a negative tone, why is there no similar feedback thread about Artosis and Tasteless? Calling out "I'm not raping you, just making love with force" doesn't make it legal.
2. Geez, certainly not me, ofc i'm not neutral. Originally I thought this is a thread created by Moletrap himself. That would be pretty cool though.
I watched him cast the recent OSL finals as well as a recent round of this SC2 OSL and unfortunately nothing has changed since the GSL days. His knowledge of the game is still very limited, he misses things all the time, and his voice hasn't gotten any easier on the ears. Based on interviews and stuff I've seen him do he seems like a good enough guy, but I don't think he's a good caster and I've got no interest in watching an English stream of OSL as long as he's there.
On August 30 2012 21:35 Akhee wrote: im not from bw, so i dont know bw moletrap, but i heard he was really good at casting, i hope he actually start playing starcraft2 a lot so he actually learn things like you can`t queue upgrades etc, i cant find other reason than lack of play to me...
You can queue upgrades...
you obviously cant
You don't play StarCraft II too often, do you? You can queue upgrades in this game, for instance in an Engineering Bay, Forge or Evolution Chamber.
Back on topic: I'm not too fond of Moletrap, as I sometimes feel like he's not that interested in what is going on. I normally don't mind the occasional "um..", but that happens quite a bit when I've listened to Moletrap cast, and it kind of irritates me. I'd prefer if he cuts those out, and instead waits a bit. Then again, it can be hard to find something to say while solo-casting a lot, but I think the arrival of Grubby will improve this.
You can queue non sequential upgrades, can't have +1 weapons researching and +2 weapons queued. But yeah, with so many more informed and competent potential casters out there I'm not sure how moletrap is still relevent in the scene. Back when english commentary was limited to youtube heros and it was one of the only ways for new players to be introduced to the competitive scene he did sc a great service. Now he needs to either step it the fuck up or fade away.
Yes you can, you just can't queue them in the same building. 2 evo can have +2 and +2 queued while +1 +1 still on the way.
No, you can't. That's just wrong. +1 is a requirement to get +2, so you can't queue +2 until you have +1. Just like you can't queue a starport until you have a factory already built.
I can't speak to other races, but I know it works for zerg.
On August 30 2012 21:35 Akhee wrote: im not from bw, so i dont know bw moletrap, but i heard he was really good at casting, i hope he actually start playing starcraft2 a lot so he actually learn things like you can`t queue upgrades etc, i cant find other reason than lack of play to me...
You can queue upgrades...
you obviously cant
You don't play StarCraft II too often, do you? You can queue upgrades in this game, for instance in an Engineering Bay, Forge or Evolution Chamber.
Back on topic: I'm not too fond of Moletrap, as I sometimes feel like he's not that interested in what is going on. I normally don't mind the occasional "um..", but that happens quite a bit when I've listened to Moletrap cast, and it kind of irritates me. I'd prefer if he cuts those out, and instead waits a bit. Then again, it can be hard to find something to say while solo-casting a lot, but I think the arrival of Grubby will improve this.
You can queue non sequential upgrades, can't have +1 weapons researching and +2 weapons queued. But yeah, with so many more informed and competent potential casters out there I'm not sure how moletrap is still relevent in the scene. Back when english commentary was limited to youtube heros and it was one of the only ways for new players to be introduced to the competitive scene he did sc a great service. Now he needs to either step it the fuck up or fade away.
Yes you can, you just can't queue them in the same building. 2 evo can have +2 and +2 queued while +1 +1 still on the way.
No, you can't. That's just wrong. +1 is a requirement to get +2, so you can't queue +2 until you have +1. Just like you can't queue a starport until you have a factory already built.
I can't speak to other races, but I know it works for zerg.
no it doesn't.... this is .... just wow, believe me you can't
to be fair, moletrap is in a shitty situation having to solo cast, and the problems with the stream probably caused a lot of negativity which people direct towards moletrap. I'm reserving judgement until he casts with grubby.
On August 31 2012 22:54 DeCoder wrote: To his credit, he did decent in the recent osl considering the circumstances.
Yeah I agree to this, he is doing really well for solo casting the first season with SC2, I dont think he had had a lot of solo casting experience in the past other than his videos on his youtube so he is doing well considering circumstance. But it isint pretty.
he's like a lesser knowledgeable day9 imo. both do those *oh, ah, aah, ahah* screams all the time. moletrap is less knowledgable but less feminine as well. anyway, i barely listen to casts. as long as he just sticks to play-by-play i think he will be fine. no need to analyse. when i watch real sports (mainly football), its the same thing. most of those analysts knows jack shit, even the former players. they've been out of the game for a while, and just spout the same shit over and over. just do play-by-play. edit: i've never understood caster hate. i pretty much hate every single real sports caster (i hate joe buck with a passion), but still watch the games. if you ever visit football forums, everybody hates on john madden, but they still watch.
Moltrap needs a team of ccommentators. Right now all he can do is be the caster which does the play by play but not enough time for analysis.
Enthusiasm is a huge issue as well. It doesn't matter if you're the most knowledgeable guy about SC2, nobody wants to watch a guy that shows no passion for the game at all. I'm sure Moltrap loves the job but it's like watching Yuki Nagato commentate where you cannot tell the difference between being genuinely excited about something or just being stoic.
On September 01 2012 01:38 JimSocks wrote: he's like a lesser knowledgeable day9 imo. both do those *oh, ah, aah, ahah* screams all the time. moletrap is less knowledgable but less feminine as well. anyway, i barely listen to casts. as long as he just sticks to play-by-play i think he will be fine. no need to analyse. when i watch real sports (mainly football), its the same thing. most of those analysts knows jack shit, even the former players. they've been out of the game for a while, and just spout the same shit over and over. just do play-by-play. edit: i've never understood caster hate. i pretty much hate every single real sports caster (i hate joe buck with a passion), but still watch the games. if you ever visit football forums, everybody hates on john madden, but they still watch.
Former Football players know "jack shit" about the game? That is the most retarded thing i have read here. But you know more than them right? lmao. One thing is to dislike a caster but to say he knows nothing when he is/was a former player of the game is dumb. To "hate" on Moletrap's casting is valid because he is not even diamond so there is no point to hear him trying to analyze the game when you at home will probably figure it out better than him. That leaves his personality which i dont dislike, but i dont sit there entertained by it either. Without either of these tools he will not succeed as a caster which is why there are masses who are speaking out on his casting. People wanting him replaced is not "hating", it is more of a valid argument.
Artosis has mastered both of these attributes which is why he is the number 1 caster right now.
On September 01 2012 01:38 JimSocks wrote: he's like a lesser knowledgeable day9 imo. both do those *oh, ah, aah, ahah* screams all the time. moletrap is less knowledgable but less feminine as well. anyway, i barely listen to casts. as long as he just sticks to play-by-play i think he will be fine. no need to analyse. when i watch real sports (mainly football), its the same thing. most of those analysts knows jack shit, even the former players. they've been out of the game for a while, and just spout the same shit over and over. just do play-by-play. edit: i've never understood caster hate. i pretty much hate every single real sports caster (i hate joe buck with a passion), but still watch the games. if you ever visit football forums, everybody hates on john madden, but they still watch.
Former Football players know "jack shit" about the game? That is the most retarded thing i have read here. But you know more than them right? lmao. One thing is to dislike a caster but to say he knows nothing when he is/was a former player of the game is dumb. To "hate" on Moletrap's casting is valid because he is not even diamond so there is no point to hear him trying to analyze the game when you at home will probably figure it out better than him. That leaves his personality which i dont dislike, but i dont sit there entertained by it either. Without either of these tools he will not succeed as a caster which is why there are masses who are speaking out on his casting. People wanting him replaced is not "hating", it is more of a valid argument.
Artosis has mastered both of these attributes which is why he is the number 1 caster right now.
The thing is about Moletrap is that his sc2 knowledge is disgustingly awful, or that's the way it seems. Moletrap's analysis is severely lacking and I think that's one of the things that really hurt him as a caster especially when he's solo casting.
If Moletrap does understand this game he doesn't display it. He seems to attempt a play by play commentary when his enthusiasm is severely lacking.
To me it honestly just seems like he doesn't care..
On August 30 2012 04:12 elmexicano wrote: i like moletrap so many haters here in teamliquid its really sad , i like how he cast and enjoy his commentaries, like ohh no!!!!!!, dont listen to trolls moletrap, haters going to hate!!!!
The world is not divided into 'people that agree with you' and 'trolls/haters'.
mm a hater, please go to rededit and make another thread to hate on moletrap, theres like 5 right now i bet at least one its yours, dont you haters have another think to do.? like play sc2 ,ladder or play guilds wars 2> shu shuuuu
Dafüq?
Topic: The "screeches" made me insta-shut down Code A back in the day. Now it is mostly the issue with game knowledge which is already pointed out in this thread. Maybe he will be better in the next weeks/months but the first impression is so hard to come over and i really hope he lets Grubby actually cast and not just rolls him over.
On September 02 2012 22:20 DreadKnight wrote: To me it honestly just seems like he doesn't care..
Yeah exactly this, no idea how to "fix" it though. You can't just FAKE it 24/7, you have to have it in you.
Moletrap needs to do this again. What a brilliant 1st impression he gave, and even threads on TL were saying how he brought fire to English commentary, compared to the usual stuff we see. He has the passion and ability to do well, but needs his confidence back and support from people here.
Moletrap needs to do this again. What a brilliant 1st impression he gave, and even threads on TL were saying how he brought fire to English commentary, compared to the usual stuff we see. He has the passion and ability to do well, but needs his confidence back and support from people here.
On August 31 2012 02:41 ElephantBaby wrote: You are biased already by starting this thread.
Love moletrap, and always will.
Sorry but isn't this the definition of biased? You saying you love him and always will?
I'm presenting my own support, but he is trying to start a riot.
I'm not trying to start a riot, i'm trying to make a situation that would normally drive me away from watching OSL events with English commentary in favor of Korean commentary more favorable. How would you have approached the situation in a less biased way? I made as many points as I could to show respect to Moletrap and make this thread constructive. I'm trying to do everything in my power, as a consumer, to make a product that I am very interested in, more attractive than it currently is.
If I were trying to start a riot, I would have just suggested all of the angry Moletrap haters all email Kespa that they are boycotting if he casts. I doubt OGN will ever even see this thread. Moletrap, on the other hand, will see it. And I hope he can appreciate the people giving honest feedback, and ignore the people rudely flaming him. I in no way condone the sort of approach and attitude many people in this thread are taking, and wish it to be as civil and polite as possible. I believe that, if Moletrap is willing to listen to much of his feedback, he can become a quality caster. Infact, there have been marked improvements in his casting not, in my view, since his switch to OSL from GSL. However, unfortunately, it is still not on par with what I would expect from a caster of the one of the most prestigious leagues in the history of esports, and a premeir Starcraft 2 league at that.
So my apologies for voicing my opinion and doing my part as a consumer to try to help a product I want to support improve.
In my eyes, you are doing that by wearing a bullet proof suit. If you want to present your opinions, just start a thread saying he is bad, don't start a thread calling for people's "feedback", appearing to be objective, but obviously you are negative towards him. Official feedback thread should only be opened by neutral individual, TL staff or Moletrap himself.
haha hop off moletrap's lap.
Feedback: stop casting sc2 till you can be bothered watching enough replays to learn the game.
EPT
, i like how he cast and enjoy his commentaries, like ohh no!!!!!!, dont listen to trolls moletrap, haters going to hate!!!!
