EDIT: Pic is way too huge, here's the direct link.

EDIT #2: Don't ask me things about the creation, or to change it, as I didn't make it. I just found it and thought you'd be interested.

Nortac

United States375 Posts

July 31 2012 22:26 GMT

Poor terran ;;

Sandermatt

Switzerland1365 Posts

July 31 2012 22:30 GMT

Well, the level of play in these nations is lower than the korean level.

The game only seems to be balanced at the highest level.

MCXD

Australia2738 Posts

July 31 2012 22:31 GMT

This is actually misleading, because terran is very underrepresented in america and europe (esp at high levels). Regardless of balance, it's expected statistically that there would be less terrans. For that reason alone, the statistics here can't be trusted to make the point that terran is underpowered.

Furthermore, if you look at korean matchup statistics recently, everything is actually pretty close to 50%.

Chernobyl

Brazil143 Posts

July 31 2012 22:31 GMT

I still lose to terrans.

BronzeKnee

United States5217 Posts

July 31 2012 22:32 GMT

Let me calculate how many Terrans there were...

There were no random players from any of the South American countries. 18 or 72 (25%) were Terran meaning 54 (75%) were Protoss or Zerg.

There were no random players from any of the North American countries. 36 of 128 (28%) were Terran meaning 92 (72%) were Protoss or Zerg.

There were no random players from any of the European countries. 47 of 200 (24%) were Terran meaning 153 (76%) were Protoss or Zerg.

In total 25% of the players from these qualifiers were Terran, meaning 75% were from another race (Protoss or Zerg). There were no random players.

Forget skill, fact is, after calculating these statistics I actually believe Terran is doing better than the other races statistically, and is outperforming their sample size!

Take a look at France. Of 16 players, 2 were Terrans (12.5%) and yet we had a Terran taking 2nd place. In Sweden we had 3 Terrans out of 16 players, and a Terran won the tournament. In Norway we had 3 Terrans out of 16 players and a Terran came in 2nd. In Poland we have 1 Terran player out of 8 players, and he came in third. In addition Terrans won in Finland (had 5 out of 16), Spain (had 5 out of 16), and came in second in Italy (had 3 out of 8) and Russia (had 4 out of 16). In Ukraine they took 3rd and 4th with 3 of 8 being Terran players.

In general, Terrans did well with podium finishes in countries they were well represented in. In countries they were poorly represented they did not fair so well, but had some strong finishes as I pointed out (France, Sweden, Norway and Poland). There was simply a lack of Terrans in general. For instance, the Belgium qualifier had no Terrans at all in it (4 Protoss, 4 Zerg), yet somehow it becomes more evidence of how Terrans are failing to make the finals? Combined Europe had just 1 Terran player of 16 players.

Finally, 24% of the players were Terran in Europe, yet 8 made the finals out of 32 total. 8 divided by 32 is .25, meaning that 25% of the players in the finals are Terran. Thus 24% of the players in the qualifiers were Terran, while 25% in the finals are Terran. Terran obviously did fine in the qualifiers.

The South American finals were a different story (only 2 of 16 were Terran, while 25% of the players in the qualifiers were Terran), but a Terran took the silver there anyway (and it ends up being 1 Terran, 1 Zerg and 1 Protoss coming out of SA for the World Championship when only 25% of players were Terran in the first place!).

So yes, Terran came in underrepresented, but they are actually performing quite well and taking more than their fair share of spots based on the statistics!

Anyone can cherry pick facts all they want, but anyone who takes the time to look at them can see what is misleading.

gaymon

Germany1023 Posts

July 31 2012 22:32 GMT

International terrans werent doing that good when Koreans teared everything up, there just are not that many foreigner terrans.

Mackus

England1681 Posts

July 31 2012 22:33 GMT

It's no secret than Foreign Terrans are struggling while Korean Terrans are doing fine which doesn't justify anything as "op"

It's amazing how a 2 range increase on a Unit has changed the mindset of how many players approach the TvZ game.

MorroW

Sweden3522 Posts

July 31 2012 22:35 GMT

the maps in wcs were pretty favored towards terran and less to zerg (shakuras, tal darim, ohana etc) is probably a good reason why terrans has been doing this well

Grapefruit

Germany439 Posts

July 31 2012 22:36 GMT

#10

On August 01 2012 07:35 MorroW wrote:
the maps in wcs were pretty favored towards terran and less to zerg (shakuras, tal darim, ohana etc) is probably a good reason why terrans has been doing this well

Haha, nice one.

Ver

United States2186 Posts

July 31 2012 22:37 GMT

#11

Yeah wcs doesn't have metro or atlantis either, so it's probably the best Terran map pool out of any tournament.

Detri

United Kingdom683 Posts

July 31 2012 22:37 GMT

#12

What people seem to forget is that a lot of the best players in Korea play terran, due to boxer. They would be good with any race. Could you imagine taeja microing mutas? or storms? Or gumiho's multitasking with a warp prism and ling runbys??

Hypemeup

Sweden2783 Posts

July 31 2012 22:38 GMT

#13

I guess terran is just that much harder so foreign terrans cant keep up.

Sure brings you a lot of hope to know that if you are teja/mkp/mvp level you will be fine.

MyLastSerenade

Germany710 Posts

July 31 2012 22:38 GMT

#14

is blizz really that bored of tvt? :O

MrSunshine

Sweden93 Posts

July 31 2012 22:39 GMT

#15

yes, the maps were terran favored and when i saw how well they were doing i thought to myself........ hey, where's that bunker nerf?

morrow has imba posts ;D

S2Lunar

1051 Posts

July 31 2012 22:40 GMT

#16

On August 01 2012 07:37 Detri wrote:
What people seem to forget is that a lot of the best players in Korea play terran, due to boxer. They would be good with any race. Could you imagine taeja microing mutas? or storms? Or gumiho's multitasking with a warp prism and ling runbys??

what does this have to do with anything?

MadProbe

United States269 Posts

July 31 2012 22:40 GMT

#17

would be less biased if you added the % of all tournament participants that were terran.

otherwise kinda cool. finally terrans know how it feels.

docvoc

United States5491 Posts

July 31 2012 22:43 GMT

#18

I can't trust this when there are no uncertainty measurements involved especially when there are different levels to the statistics here. You don't need to know more than highschool stats to know that when there is an under-representation that something like this can be incredibly misleading. There aren't 10 toss 10 terran and 10 zerg, thats not how this works, races are represented by certain numbers and that will skew the numbers. This also misleading in that the ability of the terran player will win him the game, this just states that at this time there are no terrans that are incredibly dominant.

CosmicSpiral

United States15275 Posts

July 31 2012 22:43 GMT

#19

Boring and irrelevant statistics.

A. No attempts to determine how many terrans actually participated in the tournaments, and no breakdown in how terrans dissipate through the brackets.
B. No comparison with past national tournaments in terms of race distribution.
C. The false assumption that terran had equal representation prior to the queen patch. Terran "dominance" in the first half of 2011 was strictly limited to Korea; terran has always been underrepresented in the international scene in terms of tournament placings.
D. The false assumption that every country has equal representation in both race and skill (which is the only way these numbers could be taken seriously in the first place).