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lwwkicker
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States140 Posts
March 22 2012 18:45 GMT
#1
Disclaimer: This thread is serious. I'm not trolling. I'm not a mindless fanboy. I am genuinely interested.

I'm sure people have talked about this within some thread or another, but I haven't seen a thread dedicated to it. So, here it is: With all Stephano's recent success, do you think people will start (seriously) calling him a bonjwa?

The last thing I want is for this thread to be some sort of flamewar / balance whine. I am just curious as to whether the TL community thinks there will ever be an SC2 bonjwa, and if one of said bonjwas will be Stephano.

My opinion: First, let it be known that I played SC:BW, but I was never into the competitive scene. I know the term bonjwa, and mostly what it means. But I assume I don't fully realize the gravity of such a statement. With that being said, and with my understanding of what a bonjwa is, I feel like he doesn't 'deserve' it yet, but if he continues on his path for, say.. 6 more months or so, then he will be worthy of the title. I am a fan of Stephano, but I wouldn't say I am a 'fanboy'. I see him as an extremely talented and quite mannered player. I respect him for that, but you won't see me painting my chest or holding up some crazy sign at tournaments.

On a side note, has there ever been a foreigner bonjwa? My (very) cursory research shows that this has indeed never happened. Regardless of SC:BW/SC2, do you ever think a foreigner will be able (or be allowed) to have such a title?

Poll: Do you think Stephano is/will be a bonjwa?

No, and he will never be. (69)
 
56%

Not yet, but he will be soon (with further success). (23)
 
19%

No, and there will never be a bonjwa in SC2. (23)
 
19%

Yes, he is a bonjwa right now. (8)
 
7%

123 total votes

Your vote: Do you think Stephano is/will be a bonjwa?

(Vote): Yes, he is a bonjwa right now.
(Vote): Not yet, but he will be soon (with further success).
(Vote): No, and he will never be.
(Vote): No, and there will never be a bonjwa in SC2.



P.S. As a relatively newb poster, how does my post look? Any glaring dos or donts that you see? (Reply with a PM please)
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AgentChaos
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom4569 Posts
March 22 2012 18:47 GMT
#2
only time will tell
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Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
March 22 2012 18:48 GMT
#3
I don't know how easy it will be to achieve bonjwa status in sc2, but I imagine it would be a korean who gets it if it ever happens.
I don't think anyone could seriously claim him as a bonjwa currently though imo.
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LesPhoques
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada782 Posts
March 22 2012 18:48 GMT
#4
You gotta dominate for few years to be called one. This community should stop using term bonjwa too often, or it will lose it's meaning.
Hailene
Profile Joined June 2011
United States80 Posts
March 22 2012 18:48 GMT
#5
Why do so many people think that he never will be? Honestly, if he continues winning as much as he has I don't see why he wouldn't be. I don't think he's quite there yet though, as he hasn't won many huge events.
stormchaser
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada1009 Posts
March 22 2012 18:49 GMT
#6
The dude has a winrate in the 70%'s, not even close to what a bonjwa would have. If he continues to win foreign events this year you could call it the stephano era, but no way is he a bonjwa. I can't wait to see how he does against the koreans at mlg.
Cokefreak
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland8096 Posts
March 22 2012 18:49 GMT
#7
Wrong section, wrong game and a poll thread which is a no in TL forums.
Tabbris
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Bangladesh2839 Posts
March 22 2012 18:49 GMT
#8
Stephano is very mortal. It showed all to well vs polt. No he wont be bonjwa. And i have a feeling he wont win mlg
bonifaceviii
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2890 Posts
March 22 2012 18:49 GMT
#9
There are no SC2 bonjwas.

Not to say that there will never be, but TL generally disapproves of calling any SC2 player the b-word as it's hyperbolic and much, much too soon (especially for foreigners).
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Rkie
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States1278 Posts
March 22 2012 18:50 GMT
#10
I honestly don't think there are any that can claim that title yet in SC2. The game is still too volatile with patches and expansions yet to come. MVP is probably the closest thing we have to the "b word" so far.
`Zapdos
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States935 Posts
March 22 2012 18:50 GMT
#11
Oh boy another one of these threads..
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JoeAWESOME
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden1080 Posts
March 22 2012 18:51 GMT
#12
Lets wait untill he wins a GSL.... Then you can start talking about it!
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crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
March 22 2012 18:51 GMT
#13
On March 23 2012 03:49 stormchaser wrote:
The dude has a winrate in the 70%'s, not even close to what a bonjwa would have. If he continues to win foreign events this year you could call it the stephano era, but no way is he a bonjwa. I can't wait to see how he does against the koreans at mlg.



lol?

All: 440-169 (72.25%

this guy SUCKS, look at that 72%!?!?! no bonjwa would ever have a win rate like that.


*those are FLASH's stats.


I don't disagree with you, stephano (nobody in sc2) is a bonjwa yet, but let's not be silly.
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stormchaser
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada1009 Posts
March 22 2012 18:51 GMT
#14
On March 23 2012 03:49 Tabbris wrote:
Stephano is very mortal.

NOOO, rly?? xD
liberal
Profile Joined November 2011
1116 Posts
March 22 2012 18:51 GMT
#15
Damn, someone beat me to reporting this post.

My advice OP? Lurk some more before you start posting threads like these.
MapleLeafSirup
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany950 Posts
March 22 2012 18:51 GMT
#16
You are new so i want to warn you kindly:

Threads like these existed before, especially with Stephano. They usually end in huge flame wars between two extreme opinions. Additionally everyone defines the term 'bonjwa' different. I would erase this thread for the sake of this community. This won't end well. There will just be posts like "He is the best player ever" and "OMG he is NOWHERE near the level of the koreans" etc. etc., rarely something in between
Nothingtosay
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States875 Posts
March 22 2012 18:51 GMT
#17
These poll options are as terribly as the rest of the OP itself. They don't come close to representing the range of opinions that could be held.
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DwmC_Foefen
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Belgium2186 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-22 18:53:09
March 22 2012 18:51 GMT
#18
I think you can get banned for using the term Bonjwa wrong :p (like you are doing here imo).

E: and I think a lot of people use the term wrong.
stormchaser
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada1009 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-22 18:52:43
March 22 2012 18:51 GMT
#19
On March 23 2012 03:51 crms wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2012 03:49 stormchaser wrote:
The dude has a winrate in the 70%'s, not even close to what a bonjwa would have. If he continues to win foreign events this year you could call it the stephano era, but no way is he a bonjwa. I can't wait to see how he does against the koreans at mlg.



lol?

All: 440-169 (72.25%

this guy SUCKS, look at that 72%!?!?! no bonjwa would ever have a win rate like that.


*those are FLASH's stats.


I don't disagree with you, stephano (nobody in sc2) is a bonjwa yet, but let's not be silly.

He has a 70% winrate against foreigners and you think that is bonjwa status? Are you retarded?

And btw, flash is in some sense a bonjwa, but you realise he technically isn't one because he hasn't dominated the scene for a number of years?
Bourne
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom152 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-22 18:55:37
March 22 2012 18:52 GMT
#20
Bonjwa is a term used to describe a player who dominates the StarCraft scene for a long period of time. A bonjwa has a very high winning percentage and successive title wins. However, a bonjwa is not defined by his statistics or records. Rather, a general consensus is reached that he is the most dominant progamer of his era.

A bonjwa is someone who ticks all these boxes uncontestably. Stephano has shown no interest in going to korea, so there is no way for him to ever become a bonjwa until he starts winning endless gsl's. Also, with the looming BW switch, i doubt that the BW scene will allow someone to become one without the 'REAL BW' pros having an impact on the scene.

I think the real question is, can we ever have a Bonjwa in SC2 ?
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