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Disclaimer: This thread is serious. I'm not trolling. I'm not a mindless fanboy. I am genuinely interested.
I'm sure people have talked about this within some thread or another, but I haven't seen a thread dedicated to it. So, here it is: With all Stephano's recent success, do you think people will start (seriously) calling him a bonjwa?
The last thing I want is for this thread to be some sort of flamewar / balance whine. I am just curious as to whether the TL community thinks there will ever be an SC2 bonjwa, and if one of said bonjwas will be Stephano.
My opinion: First, let it be known that I played SC:BW, but I was never into the competitive scene. I know the term bonjwa, and mostly what it means. But I assume I don't fully realize the gravity of such a statement. With that being said, and with my understanding of what a bonjwa is, I feel like he doesn't 'deserve' it yet, but if he continues on his path for, say.. 6 more months or so, then he will be worthy of the title. I am a fan of Stephano, but I wouldn't say I am a 'fanboy'. I see him as an extremely talented and quite mannered player. I respect him for that, but you won't see me painting my chest or holding up some crazy sign at tournaments.
On a side note, has there ever been a foreigner bonjwa? My (very) cursory research shows that this has indeed never happened. Regardless of SC:BW/SC2, do you ever think a foreigner will be able (or be allowed) to have such a title?
Poll: Do you think Stephano is/will be a bonjwa?No, and he will never be. (69) 56% Not yet, but he will be soon (with further success). (23) 19% No, and there will never be a bonjwa in SC2. (23) 19% Yes, he is a bonjwa right now. (8) 7% 123 total votes Your vote: Do you think Stephano is/will be a bonjwa? (Vote): Yes, he is a bonjwa right now.
(Vote): Not yet, but he will be soon (with further success).
(Vote): No, and he will never be.
(Vote): No, and there will never be a bonjwa in SC2.
P.S. As a relatively newb poster, how does my post look? Any glaring dos or donts that you see? (Reply with a PM please)
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I don't know how easy it will be to achieve bonjwa status in sc2, but I imagine it would be a korean who gets it if it ever happens.
I don't think anyone could seriously claim him as a bonjwa currently though imo.
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You gotta dominate for few years to be called one. This community should stop using term bonjwa too often, or it will lose it's meaning.
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Why do so many people think that he never will be? Honestly, if he continues winning as much as he has I don't see why he wouldn't be. I don't think he's quite there yet though, as he hasn't won many huge events.
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The dude has a winrate in the 70%'s, not even close to what a bonjwa would have. If he continues to win foreign events this year you could call it the stephano era, but no way is he a bonjwa. I can't wait to see how he does against the koreans at mlg.
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Wrong section, wrong game and a poll thread which is a no in TL forums.
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Stephano is very mortal. It showed all to well vs polt. No he wont be bonjwa. And i have a feeling he wont win mlg
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There are no SC2 bonjwas.
Not to say that there will never be, but TL generally disapproves of calling any SC2 player the b-word as it's hyperbolic and much, much too soon (especially for foreigners).
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I honestly don't think there are any that can claim that title yet in SC2. The game is still too volatile with patches and expansions yet to come. MVP is probably the closest thing we have to the "b word" so far.
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Oh boy another one of these threads..
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Lets wait untill he wins a GSL.... Then you can start talking about it!
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On March 23 2012 03:49 stormchaser wrote:
The dude has a winrate in the 70%'s, not even close to what a bonjwa would have. If he continues to win foreign events this year you could call it the stephano era, but no way is he a bonjwa. I can't wait to see how he does against the koreans at mlg.
lol?
All: 440-169 (72.25%
this guy SUCKS, look at that 72%!?!?! no bonjwa would ever have a win rate like that.
*those are FLASH's stats.
I don't disagree with you, stephano (nobody in sc2) is a bonjwa yet, but let's not be silly.
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On March 23 2012 03:49 Tabbris wrote:
Stephano is very mortal.
NOOO, rly?? xD
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Damn, someone beat me to reporting this post.
My advice OP? Lurk some more before you start posting threads like these.
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You are new so i want to warn you kindly:
Threads like these existed before, especially with Stephano. They usually end in huge flame wars between two extreme opinions. Additionally everyone defines the term 'bonjwa' different. I would erase this thread for the sake of this community. This won't end well. There will just be posts like "He is the best player ever" and "OMG he is NOWHERE near the level of the koreans" etc. etc., rarely something in between
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These poll options are as terribly as the rest of the OP itself. They don't come close to representing the range of opinions that could be held.
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I think you can get banned for using the term Bonjwa wrong :p (like you are doing here imo).
E: and I think a lot of people use the term wrong. 
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On March 23 2012 03:51 crms wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 03:49 stormchaser wrote:
The dude has a winrate in the 70%'s, not even close to what a bonjwa would have. If he continues to win foreign events this year you could call it the stephano era, but no way is he a bonjwa. I can't wait to see how he does against the koreans at mlg. lol? All: 440-169 (72.25% this guy SUCKS, look at that 72%!?!?! no bonjwa would ever have a win rate like that. *those are FLASH's stats. I don't disagree with you, stephano (nobody in sc2) is a bonjwa yet, but let's not be silly.
He has a 70% winrate against foreigners and you think that is bonjwa status? Are you retarded?
And btw, flash is in some sense a bonjwa, but you realise he technically isn't one because he hasn't dominated the scene for a number of years?
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Bonjwa is a term used to describe a player who dominates the StarCraft scene for a long period of time. A bonjwa has a very high winning percentage and successive title wins. However, a bonjwa is not defined by his statistics or records. Rather, a general consensus is reached that he is the most dominant progamer of his era.
A bonjwa is someone who ticks all these boxes uncontestably. Stephano has shown no interest in going to korea, so there is no way for him to ever become a bonjwa until he starts winning endless gsl's. Also, with the looming BW switch, i doubt that the BW scene will allow someone to become one without the 'REAL BW' pros having an impact on the scene.
I think the real question is, can we ever have a Bonjwa in SC2 ?
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There is only one true Banjo.
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this game is not meant for bonjwas...yet.
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Close thread please.
I am a Stephano fan, but you can't even dicuss that yet.
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Broodwar bittervets incomming. Get ready to grap popcorn
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Not only is Stephano not the best player in the world he isn't even the best zerg. The answer is a resounding NO
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On March 23 2012 03:49 Cokefreak wrote:
Wrong section, wrong game and a poll thread which is a no in TL forums.
Uh, what? Wrong section, sure (I am newb afterall). Wrong game? What does that even mean... Poll thread? I see those.... constantly.
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Having a bonjwa in SC2 would be like having a bonjwa in candyland.
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"Disclaimer: This thread is serious. I'm not trolling. I'm not a mindless fanboy. I am genuinely interested."
You can disclaim all you want, but these threads never turn out good.
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Ireland621 Posts
No, he's not. Lol, he never will be.
His 'reign' will also end the second he stops full-time next year. I guess we'll see how good he really is at MLG.
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On March 23 2012 03:53 lwwkicker wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 03:49 Cokefreak wrote:
Wrong section, wrong game and a poll thread which is a no in TL forums. Uh, what? Wrong section, sure (I am newb afterall). Wrong game? What does that even mean... Poll thread? I see those.... constantly.
Yeah I see them constantly as well...
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To become a bonjwa in Sc2 he would basically have to win this next MLG, then IPL, then go to Korea and crush the GSL.
And only then could you maybe start to talk about it, this is coming from a huge fan of his amazing play.
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not even close so far
the first player to win 3 code S in a row will be a bonjwa in that time for me
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There's this league called the GSL...
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Katowice25012 Posts
But I assume I don't fully realize the gravity of such a statement
This is correct. This is an absurd discussion for someone who hasn't even reached Code-S.
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