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It's starting to become very clear that Koreans are starting to find out about "Foreign" online tournaments and qualifiers. At first we had some Koreans traveling to LANs like Dreamhack Winter and later tournaments like MLG, Copenhagen Games and Dreamhack Summer.
The only other Koreans we have seen in other online tournaments have been during the BETA and in NASL Season 1 and TSL3 which up until now only have been invitational players.
But maybe now we will see a lot more Koreans participating in NA and Europan online tournaments and also dominate them? What I'm specifically discussion is open tournaments and qualifiers that doesn't require special invitations.
This weekend we have seen a lot of Koreans applying and participating in events in such numbers that we havn't seen before.
TLOpen
We here could see over 20 Koreans participating in the TL Open. The whole ZeNex team informed almost everyone to participate in this tournament. + Show Spoiler +And also 3 out of 4 in Ro4 are Koreans.
NASL Open Tournament
Here we yet again could see another Korean team participate - TSL. + Show Spoiler +Top 4 in this tournament was Korean (bravely fought Thorzain!) and now we get another Korean in the NASL Grand Final as the 16th seed.
NASL Season 2 Qualifiers
Let us just look at the persons that have applied. We can here see 24 Koreans participating in this tournament with names like MarineKing, Polt, the whole oGs team, SlayerSMMA, SlayersCella and a lot more. Over 1/3 of the participants right now are Koreans. http://binarybeast.com/xSC21106163/participants
What do you think about this?
So basically we see a lot of Koreans showing interest in EU/NA tournaments - and now also online tournaments and qualifiers.
We've had this discussion before with the NASL but the interesting question here and a lot of people think that it's positive that EU/NA players now can play against really good Korean players. Other think it's better for regions like EU/NA to grow for themselves first.
We now have a situation were some online tournaments like NASL is open for everyone - it doesn't matter which nationality or region you're from. We also have online tournaments only for people living in EU/NA/LA like IGN Pro League. We also have the mashup like TSL3 were Koreans were invited later on but with regional qualifiers/online tournaments.
The main question that's interesting to ask from a community and spectator perspective - do we really want this? Do you prefer global online tournaments/qualifiers or do you prefer regional based tournaments/qualifiers?
Poll: Do you prefer global online tournaments/qualifiers or regional?Yes, make online tournaments and qualifiers global. We want to watch the best! (NASL Style) (1151) 88% No, online tournaments and qualifiers regionally and maybe invite Koreans for playoffs. (TSL3 Style) (86) 7% No, Koreans should not be invited in EU/NA online tournaments/qualifiers. (IPL style) (75) 6% 1312 total votes Your vote: Do you prefer global online tournaments/qualifiers or regional? (Vote): Yes, make online tournaments and qualifiers global. We want to watch the best! (NASL Style)
(Vote): No, online tournaments and qualifiers regionally and maybe invite Koreans for playoffs. (TSL3 Style)
(Vote): No, Koreans should not be invited in EU/NA online tournaments/qualifiers. (IPL style)
Personally I don't have so much against Korean gamers trying their luck in online tournaments and qualifiers but it would be nice to know what you others think about it.
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awesome, the best players should participate
i don't care about nationality, but skill
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The only thing I'm afraid of is that foreigners will refuse to practice as much as the koreans (which IMO is totally understandable) so the SC2 scene will stop growing because nobody can beat the koreans. I don't mind them coming, but I hope the foreigners react to it by training harder.
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I think that regional qualifiers gives more opportunity for foreigners to be part of the participants, and there needs to be a limit to the number of Koreans, but without Koreans, there's no proper challenge.
It's not like Koreans are coming and taking everything from the foreigner scene. You have Koreans joining foreigner teams and dropping out of the GSL to do so. You have foreigners moving to Korea and being invited to participate in Korean tournaments.
Making everything as inclusive as possible is the best thing for spectators and in the long run the best thing for player development. If you create an insular foreigner scene where there are no Koreans, you will end up with a bunch of quite good players, but not true top level players and they will be a tier below the Koreans.
There does need to be a limit though, so that you don't end up with only Koreans. Something like the TSL3 where there was a limit to Korean participants, but they had a way to get players from all regions, or a simple player cap.
They have it in professional organised sports sports (for teams, e.g. Football (soccer)), where a certain # of players must be home grown or domestic, but you are allowed to bring in foreign players to a certain point. It means you keep developing local talent (in this case the foreigner scene), but you also ensure that you have top level competition with the best in the world able to participate as well.
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Hey, you work harder its unfair you cant play here! 
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NA and EU games are so boring to watch. They just mass units when any Korean timing would stomp them. The more Koreans the better, give them all a shot at qualifying!
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I think its perfectly fine
Hey I'm wondering who
Lee Seok Han
Lee Ho Joon
Kim Dong Hyun
Han Kyu Jong
Jin Young Park
etc. from NASL are
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They still can't play on the EU server so just have open tournaments there if you don't want any Koreans
But if players can't beat Koreans playing in the middle of the night with lag that is their problem keep NA tournaments open.
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Proceed I say.
Catz:Theyre taking our jobs!!
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Netherlands45349 Posts
I want to watch the best of the best, if they are Korean so be it, ''we'' are never going to catch up if we do not face them.
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On June 26 2011 07:16 NexUmbra wrote:
I think its perfectly fine
Hey I'm wondering who
Lee Seok Han
Lee Ho Joon
Kim Dong Hyun
Han Kyu Jong
Jin Young Park
etc. from NASL are
All of them are TSL players. Alive, Puma, Revival, Clide and Jyp - http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Team_SCV_Life
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By the way, your poll is slightly misleading, IPL isn't explicitly excluding Koreans from the qualifiers which is sort of what that poll option implies, it's a regional limitation to North America and Europe, players in other regions can't play for logistics reasons but the IPL has expressed interest in expanding to more regions in the future. It's very different from, "No koreans should be invited".
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The way I see it:
Koreans participating in foreigner tournaments (and placing highly) brings money home to Korea. Money to Korea increases sponsors. Sponsors make SC2 more popular (like BW). SC2 being more popular makes it more competitive. Greater competition means more people put more time into playing, teams increase salaries to compensate practice time increases etc.
It's better to put money into the Korean scene because Pro-gaming is more accepted there. The faster SC2 becomes big in Korea, the faster the foreign scene will evolve as well.
edit, beat me to it
+ Show Spoiler +On June 26 2011 07:16 NexUmbra wrote:
I think its perfectly fine
Hey I'm wondering who
Lee Seok Han
Lee Ho Joon
Kim Dong Hyun
Han Kyu Jong
Jin Young Park
etc. from NASL are TSLaLive TSLPuMa TSLRevival TSLClide TSLJYP
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I'd prefer it if there were more "name" koreans , like drg, gpig, mvp, nestea, mkp, rather then alot of less popular koreans ... the rest of tsl/ogs
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The foreigners are forced to start practising more and improving by koreans joining these tournaments. That if something is good for professional gaming!
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I definitely would not watch any tournament that forbids players to participate because of their nationality... this is just wrong in so many ways...
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If you voted no you should delete your TL account right now and GTFO. It's that simple. There's no reason not to allow them unless you hate ESPORTS, high level Starcraft, and global communities (the essence of TL). Fuck, Koreans even have huge disadvantages when participating in foreigner online tournaments.
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Is that the Puma that beat Nal_ra at the end of his TV-show?
Edit : OnT I actually dont want the koreans participating in the foreigner online tourneys. I want to be able to recognise every top 16 player of a tournament and know a little about them, not random korean practice partners that roll over every european with überprecised timing attacks.
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Why do people care if Koreans come and take the money in our tournaments? The best player should win the cash.
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EPT
