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Race Win Rates Update: May

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Ctuchik
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden91 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-07 14:53:22
June 07 2011 14:01 GMT
#1
There have been over 1700 tournament and league games added for May to TLPD, so it's time to update the win rate graph.

Win rates per race over the last 9 months. [EDIT: TL.net colors]
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There are a few changes from last time. First of all, the data is now both International and Korean games, combined. I've also expanded the scope to go back as far as September 2010.

All data is from Team Liquids Player Database.

If you like this I'd recommend you follow my twitter SC2StatisticsSC2Statistics where I also do live stats before big games and tournaments.

And Reddit.


http://twitter.com/sc2statistics
Yaotzin
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa4280 Posts
June 07 2011 14:06 GMT
#2
Please please separate Korean data from International. Even though the number of games is sadly small, Korea is still a very good indicator of future international trends - as we've now seen with ZvP.
Mailing
Profile Joined March 2011
United States3087 Posts
June 07 2011 14:09 GMT
#3
Not really. Korean protoss are falling apart, to the point where only Alicia, MC, Ace, Squirtle, and maybe Huk are having any form of consistent results, namely because they are actually really good players who belong in Code S >>

I would suspect the rest, like inca/anypro/tester/hongun/sangho to fall out of code S soon.
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TitleRug
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States651 Posts
June 07 2011 14:09 GMT
#4
what I see is that TvP and ZvT are approaching equal percentages for each race and PvZ is slowly separating for each race with Z on top.
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Yaotzin
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa4280 Posts
June 07 2011 14:11 GMT
#5
On June 07 2011 23:09 Mailing wrote:
Not really. Korean protoss are falling apart, to the point where only Alicia, MC, Ace, Squirtle, and maybe Huk are having any form of consistent results, namely because they are actually really good players who belong in Code S >>

I would suspect the rest, like inca/anypro/tester/hongun/sangho to fall out of code S soon.

Uh yes? That's the trend: Korean Protosses are doing horribly.

Not sure why you're disagreeing.
Lynkilen
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway211 Posts
June 07 2011 14:11 GMT
#6
Looks like ZvP could use some slight innovation from P's, surprisingly even considering all the balance QQ
CursedFeanor
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada539 Posts
June 07 2011 14:12 GMT
#7
great data! it seems no one can really complain about balance for the time being. that's great, good job Blizzard!
Morphs
Profile Joined July 2010
Netherlands645 Posts
June 07 2011 14:13 GMT
#8
Yes please separate the Korean and EU/NA results. Both were too different to simply merge and I won't believe that in a single month both suddenly have similar ratios.
Zaphid
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic1860 Posts
June 07 2011 14:13 GMT
#9
On June 07 2011 23:06 Yaotzin wrote:
Please please separate Korean data from International. Even though the number of games is sadly small, Korea is still a very good indicator of future international trends - as we've now seen with ZvP.


I believe Korean trends are more pronounced by whoever wins the GSL, as usual more games means better statistics.

Interesting how in the last 1-2 months the zerg crying was turned on it's head, is it time for other races to start whining ? :D
I will never ever play Mech against Protoss. - MVP
Mailing
Profile Joined March 2011
United States3087 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-07 14:15:24
June 07 2011 14:15 GMT
#10
On June 07 2011 23:11 Yaotzin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2011 23:09 Mailing wrote:
Not really. Korean protoss are falling apart, to the point where only Alicia, MC, Ace, Squirtle, and maybe Huk are having any form of consistent results, namely because they are actually really good players who belong in Code S >>

I would suspect the rest, like inca/anypro/tester/hongun/sangho to fall out of code S soon.

Uh yes? That's the trend: Korean Protosses are doing horribly.

Not sure why you're disagreeing.


I am saying the good protoss are doing fine, and the bad protoss are doing bad.

As opposed to months ago when the good protoss were winning and the bad protoss were still making top 16
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Philip2110
Profile Joined April 2010
Scotland798 Posts
June 07 2011 14:16 GMT
#11
On June 07 2011 23:13 Zaphid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2011 23:06 Yaotzin wrote:
Please please separate Korean data from International. Even though the number of games is sadly small, Korea is still a very good indicator of future international trends - as we've now seen with ZvP.


I believe Korean trends are more pronounced by whoever wins the GSL, as usual more games means better statistics.

Interesting how in the last 1-2 months the zerg crying was turned on it's head, is it time for other races to start whining ? :D


IdrA would disagree we are just bad and protoss is still broken.

It would be better if you could split up the NA/EU from Korean stats if possible but thanks for info either way
Master Sc2 - Diamond LoL - Eu W
SgtCoDFish
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United Kingdom1520 Posts
June 07 2011 14:17 GMT
#12
So everything's within 3% balanced?

Seems fine to me. Obviously we have to treat all data with a little caution, but nothing seems amiss here.
Day[9]
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
United States7366 Posts
June 07 2011 14:18 GMT
#13
Fantastic graphs! I have a really stupid request if possible lol:

I'm used to Zerg = Red, Terran = Blue, Protoss = Green from years of surfing Teamliquid. Would it be possible to do some color swapouts?

Regardless, I LOVE seeing data like this :D
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Philip2110
Profile Joined April 2010
Scotland798 Posts
June 07 2011 14:19 GMT
#14
On June 07 2011 23:17 sgtcodfish wrote:
So everything's within 3% balanced?

Seems fine to me. Obviously we have to treat all data with a little caution, but nothing seems amiss here.


If you are going by that PvZ has been even closer balanced than that since February. If you read the posts by zerg in the forums you would think it wasnt that close
Master Sc2 - Diamond LoL - Eu W
Yaotzin
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa4280 Posts
June 07 2011 14:20 GMT
#15
On June 07 2011 23:15 Mailing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2011 23:11 Yaotzin wrote:
On June 07 2011 23:09 Mailing wrote:
Not really. Korean protoss are falling apart, to the point where only Alicia, MC, Ace, Squirtle, and maybe Huk are having any form of consistent results, namely because they are actually really good players who belong in Code S >>

I would suspect the rest, like inca/anypro/tester/hongun/sangho to fall out of code S soon.

Uh yes? That's the trend: Korean Protosses are doing horribly.

Not sure why you're disagreeing.


I am saying the good protoss are doing fine, and the bad protoss are doing bad.

As opposed to months ago when the good protoss were winning and the bad protoss were still making top 16

The good tosses are doing badly. Alicia has done nothing. MC has done poorly in last 2 GSLs. Ace is useless in Korea he just wins in foreigner tournaments. Squirtle has done nothing.
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12704 Posts
June 07 2011 14:20 GMT
#16
Awesome work, keep it up!
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Thrombozyt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Germany1269 Posts
June 07 2011 14:22 GMT
#17
I wonder if the disparity between those statistics and the NASL racial stats (that have disappeared mysteriously) are only due to the sample size or if the KO system employed by most tourneys might warp the match-up stats.

It should be possible to tell with a statistical test, though I'm not sure which one atm.
Ctuchik
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden91 Posts
June 07 2011 14:22 GMT
#18
On June 07 2011 23:18 Day[9] wrote:
Fantastic graphs! I have a really stupid request if possible lol:

I'm used to Zerg = Red, Terran = Blue, Protoss = Green from years of surfing Teamliquid. Would it be possible to do some color swapouts?

Regardless, I LOVE seeing data like this :D


Oh, are those the generally accepted colors? I was actually thinking quite a bit about this before settling on the ones I have now. It's incredibly easy to change though.

I can also very easily bring up International and Korean numbers only, but it's not as useful as some of you may think. The sample size of the Korean games is small enough that you can't really draw any conclusions from them, and international numbers are basically unchanged if you remove Koreans.
http://twitter.com/sc2statistics
Grumblethorpe
Profile Joined February 2011
36 Posts
June 07 2011 14:23 GMT
#19
great stats! nice to see Zergs finally breaking the 50% mark in zvp
aurum510
Profile Joined July 2010
United States229 Posts
June 07 2011 14:24 GMT
#20
How can IdrA cry about ZvP... It's the most imbalanced matchup and it's in favor of Zerg...
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