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windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
July 11 2011 04:39 GMT
#481
On July 08 2011 23:20 SafeAsCheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2011 22:55 Yaotzin wrote:
On July 08 2011 22:53 Xadar wrote:
On June 07 2011 23:24 aurum510 wrote:
How can IdrA cry about ZvP... It's the most imbalanced matchup and it's in favor of Zerg...

You need to look at gameplay to measure balance not at results.

Not that I agree with the quoted stuff, but this is wrong too. Results are the most objective way of measuring balance - "look at the gameplay" is inevitably heavily biased.



Results are skewed by mass sometimes.

What imbalances a GSL player faces will not be the same as what a MLG pool player faces, for example.

If protoss found a build that was really hard to do, so that only 10 of the top protoss could pull it off but it had a 90% win rate, there would be problems, even though it could not effect the overall win rate.


God, people are so impossible.

*Shows Korean results*
"Nah sample size too low"
*Shows Korean + International results*
"Nah skewed by mass"

Not aiming solely at you but its so frustrating that whenever this kind of stuff gets posted people will try as hard as hell to discredit them(not that there is nothing wrong with checking sources and methodology) but I just feel that people just want to see someone that agrees with their perception >_>

But you are right, the balance at different skill levels should be accounted for, I am just frustrated because the OP had already separated the GSL and the int scene stats and people told him they were not valid because the sample size was too low >_>
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
ampson
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2355 Posts
July 11 2011 04:44 GMT
#482
I'm impressed by the balance of the game as of late. Close to 50% in tournaments and the NASL finals top 3 was the 3 races. Good job to Blizzard.
tzenes
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada64 Posts
July 11 2011 04:51 GMT
#483
Can you post P values assuming 50% expected value with a binomial distribution?
covetousrat
Profile Joined October 2010
2109 Posts
August 06 2012 08:08 GMT
#484
Where are the charts for July?
Adventurekid
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Sweden505 Posts
August 06 2012 08:11 GMT
#485
Interesting.
You should build a turtle fence!
pmp10
Profile Joined April 2012
3396 Posts
August 06 2012 09:14 GMT
#486
On August 06 2012 17:08 covetousrat wrote:
Where are the charts for July?

None out yet.
There not that indicative anyway.
Last I seen Korean winrates were equal and so was international PvZ.
On the other hand international TvZ was almost 60% in zergs favor.
Yello
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany7411 Posts
August 06 2012 09:35 GMT
#487
On August 06 2012 17:08 covetousrat wrote:
Where are the charts for July?


Why the hell do you ask this in the May 2011 thread? You are more then a year off.
Just ahead of time, know your addiction's not a crime. It's just a smaller part of who you want to become in the end.
covetousrat
Profile Joined October 2010
2109 Posts
August 06 2012 09:49 GMT
#488
On August 06 2012 18:35 Yello wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2012 17:08 covetousrat wrote:
Where are the charts for July?


Why the hell do you ask this in the May 2011 thread? You are more then a year off.

Lol cant find the thread for june 2012
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