EPTCatZ Discusses Home-Grown NA SC2 Scene
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AskJoshy
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nVusPip
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NemesysTV
United States1088 Posts
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Aurdon
United States2007 Posts
Also, to fuel the foreigner scene, there has to be an opportunity to fund full-time players. The more money there is in the pool for North Americans to earn as competitors the more likely they are to be able to be full-time progamers. If you give the non-North American money away so readily to foreigners by holding online events, then you give away the funding from North American eSports. There is less money to create more full-time progamers. Less incentive for young players to take the risk to become competitors. Catz makes a good point. | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
16 man offline final IN USA games are played on NA server (latency favors NA players -> EU -> last korea) Yes it's online. Yes it has "NA" in the title which suggests to some it would only be for NA players.. this is of course not the case (nobody is bitching EU players are invited/involved). Bottom line is 99% of people WANT koreans in every league because they are the best at the moment. I agree with Catz that in order for eSports to grow in the west some exclusivity needs to occur.. I think the NASL does a good job of balancing that while still appeasing the masses. just my 2 cents. | ||
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shire
United States405 Posts
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Invol2ver
United States330 Posts
Thanks Catz Thanks Josh | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
On a side note Catz kinda reminds me of Jeremy from Pure Pwnage (except less exaggerated and more intelligent sounding obviously). | ||
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VeryAverage
United States424 Posts
On April 10 2011 07:52 iNcontroL wrote: competition starts at 4am korea time 16 man offline final IN USA games are played on NA server (latency favors NA players -> EU -> last korea) Yes it's online. Yes it has "NA" in the title which suggests to some it would only be for NA players.. this is of course not the case (nobody is bitching EU players are invited/involved). Bottom line is 99% of people WANT koreans in every league because they are the best at the moment. I agree with Catz that in order for eSports to grow in the west some exclusivity needs to occur.. I think the NASL does a good job of balancing that while still appeasing the masses. just my 2 cents. If the NASL is successful for the first few seasons, do you think there would be any plans to expand the offline part of the tournament? Hell, if it's amazingly successful, possibly offline only? Or is that too far off to think about? | ||
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dacthehork
United States2000 Posts
Right now they make way more money in other methods besides tournament wins etc. bringing in the best koreans to NA tournaments really doesn't motivate them any more. | ||
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Ragoo
Germany2773 Posts
On April 10 2011 07:50 Aurdon wrote: Also, to fuel the foreigner scene, there has to be an opportunity to fund full-time players. The more money there is in the pool for North Americans to earn as competitors the more likely they are to be able to be full-time progamers. If you give the non-North American money away so readily to foreigners by holding online events, then you give away the funding from North American eSports. There is less money to create more full-time progamers. Less incentive for young players to take the risk to become competitors. This! If we just give the Koreans money because they already have the infrastructure and professionalism to be ahead of us, esport will not grow as fast in the western world and we will not get the same level of professionalism for our players. We need these exclusive leagues and the fame and money in order to make professional esport possible. It's great that CatZ brought up EPS Germany. It doesn't have the most prize money but because it's a German based event it is among the most important things for our players and fans and therefore all the clans are really professional about it (and even make it possible for players like Cloud to live in Germany to participate in the EPS). | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On April 10 2011 08:00 VeryAverage wrote: If the NASL is successful for the first few seasons, do you think there would be any plans to expand the offline part of the tournament? Hell, if it's amazingly successful, possibly offline only? Or is that too far off to think about? I am no authority on the matter but I can tell you these guys are excited to grow the crap out of the NASL. Obviously offline is the pinnacle of SC2 gaming so yeah I could imagine that occurring just speculating though. | ||
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Alou
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Baby_Seal
United States360 Posts
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00Visor
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How many leagues/tournaments are there where Koreans have to make no commitment? - TSL 3 - FXOpen Invitationals - NASL to an extent (final is offline) That`s all. Additionally we have a few offline tournaments with Koreans: IEM, Dreamhack. The rest are tons of tourneys without Koreans. I really don't get what he`s complaining about. All the comparisons he makes are completely off. - Actual sports can't take place online so of course you have to move there - When competition is growing in some country lesser players compete for less money (like the soccer NASL), but you can't cut out good players if there is a big pricepool, I don't know any sport where that happens | ||
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
On April 10 2011 07:52 iNcontroL wrote:Bottom line is 99% of people WANT koreans in every league because they are the best at the moment. I agree with Catz that in order for eSports to grow in the west some exclusivity needs to occur.. I think the NASL does a good job of balancing that while still appeasing the masses. just my 2 cents. This, this, this. I would hate to be a tournament organizer who deals exclusively with NA players, because KR players will attract a bigger audience and more attention to your tournament. You need spectators for SC2 to succeed, and if they want to see KR players play, then the organizers are going to want to give them that. Also, there is a lot of concern about tournaments in KR, because GSL is the ONLY one. What if NASL was the ONLY tournament in NA? Would you want other countries excluding you from their tournaments if you get knocked out in the first round? I fully support Korean's joining up in foreign tournaments, they don't really get enough action as is. | ||
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dacthehork
United States2000 Posts
On April 10 2011 08:03 00Visor wrote: I don't understand Catz. How many leagues/tournaments are there where Koreans have to make no commitment? - TSL 3 - FXOpen Invitationals - NASL to an extent (final is offline) That`s all. Additionally we have a few offline tournaments with Koreans: IEM, Dreamhack. The rest are tons of tourneys without Koreans. I really don't get what he`s complaining about. All the comparisons he makes are completely off. - Actual sports can't take place online so of course you have to move there - When competition is growing in some country lesser players compete for less money (like the soccer NASL), but you can't cut out good players if there is a big pricepool, I don't know any sport where that happens GSL could have had qualifiers online too... not sure what you're point is. "tons of tournaments in NA" you mean I think 6 MLG events? NASL being open to koreans in the first place was probably a bad idea considering the idea of the tournament. The fact is there are NA players with the talent to beat koreans but how many actual team houses do you see with 16 players crammed into a 3 bedroom apartment with a maid doing everything and them playing SC2 all day? The infrastructure is completely diferent and to have them compete against NA players for NA prize money doesnt make any sense if you actually want NA teams to grow. The thing is though 70% of TL and the community basically want NASL to be GSL. | ||
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insaneMicro
Germany761 Posts
<3 Paulo Vizcarra & thanks Josh! | ||
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fadestep
United States605 Posts
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enzym
Germany1034 Posts
Global events come after that. eSports competition is way too disorganized, fighting over viewers and participants instead of working together to create a coherent scene and well structured competitive field/scene. I mean there is NASL, ESL, GSL, IGN, MLG... and literally hundreds of smaller tournaments. There's just no end to it. Don't get me wrong. I'm with iNc, events are great, more money fueling the competitiveness of the scene and creating content is great. But there needs to be some underlying structure/uniformity. Right now it is just chaos. | ||
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