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theBlues
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
El Salvador638 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-09 03:02:20
March 08 2011 06:14 GMT
#1
I was watching some old episodes of total pwnage when I stumbled upon this clip. I sends a message and I believe it applies a lot to many new members of this community specially the last part.

I know making a thread for a youtube video is frowned upon in these lands but the recent influx of people complaining about balance and general negativity has me tired and I think this video pretty much adresses the issue.

I was pretty much agreeing on the whole message until a starcraft reference was made and I could not agree more.

Posting in the general forum as I believe it applies to all games. Not just starcraft...





Edit//

I was asked to make clear that the name of the show is Pure pwnage and that this is a parody of Zero Punctuation...

Here is the message condensed by legatus legionis


+ Show Spoiler +
On March 08 2011 17:59 legatus legionis wrote:


Overtime it seems many people have forgotten the most important ingredient to a good game.

This ingredient is not graphics, cut scenes etc but the actual gameplay, the controls, the combo's you need to make, the puzzles you need to solve.

Gameplay is what makes the game fun to play.

If I want a good story, I can read a book. If you like cutscenes, Go watch a movie.
(if you really like that, you probably also like a bad movie because you're easily satisfied)

Games used to be about being challenged to explore new gameplay mechanics, about learning or solving new puzzles, about improving your skills against all types of adversaries, and about feeling proud of your accomplishments.

Nowadays, it's mostly shiny graphics that can even carry a soccer mom caliber gamer through a generic 3th grade story where anyone with atleast a tiny brain can pretend to be a hero and maintain the illusion that he isn't terrible at it.

You don't need a backstory, you don't need a portrait, you don't need new gear. If the process of playing a game isn't fun for you then maybe you're not a gamer.

Even though I beat these new players very easily I've started to notice that the amount of them is starting to negatively affect gamedesign.

Instead of innovating and coming up with something as huge as a new chess, we have a continuous stream of 8 hour long interactive B movie experiences for 60 dollars a pop, with unimaginatively reskinned sequels released every year.

So the people who are not good at games, who play these abominations of games are the ones that allowed for this industry to flourish and bring even more of them in.

Now, I would't actually care that much but as it turns out, these people are poor sports and hate on us! The gamers who play the games for gameplay. And so we are subject to the endless abuse of idiotic whiners, "rusherfag, no life loser, hacker, imbalance" (overpowered should be there aswell)

But the only imbalance is that you are just worse than other people. Maybe you weren't good at sports in school but that's no reason to cry when you're getting raped in game.

Even worse are the reviewers that review the games for public consumption. They are champions of mob mentality. But it seems that in the gaming media circle being a noob is some kind of prerequisite. Going through life without a reason can be frustrating but calling a 3 hour singeplayer experience the height of game design and comparing the dialog of GTA to the godfather is absolutely retarded.

Here's the unpleasant truth, your teachers lied to you when they said that anyone, even you, can become an astronaut. Some people are just naturally better at certain things than others, there's something called talent.

Many people have a genuine desire to challenge themselves to be better, this doesn't make them alien or cruel and certainly not "rusherfags", it just makes them ubergamers (better than you). There's no reason to resent them.

The next time you think, "I could beat all the progamers if I just played as much as them". Think again.



Change a vote, and change the world
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-08 06:24:11
March 08 2011 06:20 GMT
#2
Cool, a video with a bright yellow backdrop and uses imagery to comedically display his fast-spoken narration and downplays all factors that makes a "good game".

Cool, a topic that has no opinion but rather tells us to watch the 3 minute and 50 seconds of an opinion they needed to be developed in order to justify why other topics of balance and gameplay flood our forums.

I'd voice an opinion but this guy has lead his opinion onto insulting me because we have different views of good gameplay and a good game.

tl:dr The video attempts to tell us that no matter how much we practice we cannot be a pro-gamer or those who are on the competitive scene despite numerous professionals claiming otherwise by their own persoanl experience that the video-creator has none of.

Through the insults and the attempt to be vastly witty while also side-stepping an actual point, the video lends itself to be redundantly bad with its sub-par attempt of analogies to today's pop culture and its references.

To conclude, practice does make perfect and just because this guy has a laissez-faire attitude doesn't mean I will equally give up playing a game and striving to be better that goes in conjunction with the uber-gamers that enjoy a challenge.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Hugoboss21
Profile Joined June 2009
France346 Posts
March 08 2011 06:20 GMT
#3
hahahah the end
In order to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first create the universe. --Carl Sagan
Vinski
Profile Joined November 2010
505 Posts
March 08 2011 06:23 GMT
#4
HAHA this is hilarious just got done also watching some eps of purepwange when I decided to listen to their songs and watch this one because I remembered it was funny. And was going to post it but read the youtube thing and said nah.
"Sound is in a bad marriage, instead of divorcing her and keeping half your shit, he just committed suicide"
peekn
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1152 Posts
March 08 2011 06:24 GMT
#5
Oh god this is great, thanks for sharing.
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-08 06:26:42
March 08 2011 06:26 GMT
#6
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 08 2011 15:20 Torte de Lini wrote:
Cool, a video with a bright yellow backdrop and uses imagery to comedically display his fast-spoken narration and downplays all factors that makes a "good game".

Cool, a topic that has no opinion but rather tells us to watch the 3 minute and 50 seconds of an opinion they needed to be developed in order to justify why other topics of balance and gameplay flood our forums.

I'd voice an opinion but this guy has lead his opinion onto insulting me because we have different views of good gameplay and a good game.

tl:dr The video attempts to tell us that no matter how much we practice we cannot be a pro-gamer or those who are on the competitive scene despite numerous professionals claiming otherwise by their own persoanl experience that the video-creator has none of.

Through the insults and the attempt to be vastly witty while also side-stepping an actual point, the video lends itself to be redundantly bad with its sub-par attempt of analogies to today's pop culture and its references.

To conclude, practice does make perfect and just because this guy has a laissez-faire attitude doesn't mean I will equally give up playing a game and striving to be better that goes in conjunction with the uber-gamers that enjoy a challenge.

Torte de lini your TL;DR is longer than your original statement...
Hi.
javy_
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1677 Posts
March 08 2011 06:26 GMT
#7
that was actually a pretty good parody of yahtzee
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Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
March 08 2011 06:26 GMT
#8
I saw that vid before and I completely disagree with it. I'm really annoyed with all those 'ubergamers' who feel that they are superior because they 'pwn' all the 'noobs'. It's a really negative attitude for the competitive gaming scene and they should get off their high horse.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-08 06:30:55
March 08 2011 06:29 GMT
#9
On March 08 2011 15:26 d(O.o)a wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 08 2011 15:20 Torte de Lini wrote:
Cool, a video with a bright yellow backdrop and uses imagery to comedically display his fast-spoken narration and downplays all factors that makes a "good game".

Cool, a topic that has no opinion but rather tells us to watch the 3 minute and 50 seconds of an opinion they needed to be developed in order to justify why other topics of balance and gameplay flood our forums.

I'd voice an opinion but this guy has lead his opinion onto insulting me because we have different views of good gameplay and a good game.

tl:dr The video attempts to tell us that no matter how much we practice we cannot be a pro-gamer or those who are on the competitive scene despite numerous professionals claiming otherwise by their own persoanl experience that the video-creator has none of.

Through the insults and the attempt to be vastly witty while also side-stepping an actual point, the video lends itself to be redundantly bad with its sub-par attempt of analogies to today's pop culture and its references.

To conclude, practice does make perfect and just because this guy has a laissez-faire attitude doesn't mean I will equally give up playing a game and striving to be better that goes in conjunction with the uber-gamers that enjoy a challenge.

Torte de lini your TL;DR is longer than your original statement...


Haha, yeah. My bad. I just hate these videos because they narrowly ignore a lot of factors and variables and attempt to grab its audience with funny wordplay and straight-to-the-point blunt attacks while indicating a somehow separation between one gamer over another.

I don't even see the relativity of this video to the topics the OP is whining about.

I mean for starters: Oh no, the interactivity of a good story is not the equivalent of 1984, God Forbid! I am clearly a low-life cretin because Mass Effect was an entertaining game coupled with a very thrilling story.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Ruyguy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada988 Posts
March 08 2011 06:29 GMT
#10
lol at "the russian fag" part....and the entire video
wonderwall
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
New Zealand695 Posts
March 08 2011 06:29 GMT
#11
Well. At least he's trying REALLY hard to be Yahtzee. I really disagree with his "noobs suck I'm so much better" approach to the new casual gaming market and I laughed when he mentioned superiority in Call of Duty as a mark of a more veteran gamer.
Freshest
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia32 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-08 06:34:24
March 08 2011 06:29 GMT
#12
Keeping in mind that that is from the point of view of Jeremy, the character in the show who is an obnoxious narcissist.

PP and Yahtzee got into a bit of a fight over this appropriation and it resulted in Yahtzee not using unlicenced music and the start and end of his episodes. The music was clever and in good taste and was just another part of ZP that made me lol weekly.

cheese pizza is for cowards - tasteless
MangoTango
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States3670 Posts
March 08 2011 06:31 GMT
#13
lmao this was pretty accurate as a parody of yahtzee
"One fish, two fish, red fish, BLUE TANK!" - Artosis
thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
March 08 2011 06:33 GMT
#14
It was a nice attempt at a parody of the real Yahtzee, I suppose.
Every time Jung Myung Hoon builds a vulture, two probes die. || My post count was a palindrome and I was never posting again.
canucks12
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada812 Posts
March 08 2011 06:36 GMT
#15
Very funny. Julyzerg is awesome and I agree with almost all of this man's opinions.
[TA]eccentric
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia55 Posts
March 08 2011 06:37 GMT
#16
this is fucking gold. no, it's fucking better than gold.

It's fucking golden sliced bread.
HeadhunteR
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Argentina1258 Posts
March 08 2011 06:41 GMT
#17
this video was posted already some time ago try to use the search funtion once in a while.
in The Kong line forever
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
March 08 2011 06:41 GMT
#18
Ah pretty old (around the time that July won his golden mouse, i believe), but still brings a smile to my face, and a good parody.
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chenchen
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1136 Posts
March 08 2011 06:44 GMT
#19
On March 08 2011 15:29 Ruyguy wrote:
lol at "the russian fag" part....and the entire video


"rusher fag", not "russian fag" =P

You know, well executed timing attacks.
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Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-08 06:46:21
March 08 2011 06:45 GMT
#20
On March 08 2011 15:29 Torte de Lini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2011 15:26 d(O.o)a wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 08 2011 15:20 Torte de Lini wrote:
Cool, a video with a bright yellow backdrop and uses imagery to comedically display his fast-spoken narration and downplays all factors that makes a "good game".

Cool, a topic that has no opinion but rather tells us to watch the 3 minute and 50 seconds of an opinion they needed to be developed in order to justify why other topics of balance and gameplay flood our forums.

I'd voice an opinion but this guy has lead his opinion onto insulting me because we have different views of good gameplay and a good game.

tl:dr The video attempts to tell us that no matter how much we practice we cannot be a pro-gamer or those who are on the competitive scene despite numerous professionals claiming otherwise by their own persoanl experience that the video-creator has none of.

Through the insults and the attempt to be vastly witty while also side-stepping an actual point, the video lends itself to be redundantly bad with its sub-par attempt of analogies to today's pop culture and its references.

To conclude, practice does make perfect and just because this guy has a laissez-faire attitude doesn't mean I will equally give up playing a game and striving to be better that goes in conjunction with the uber-gamers that enjoy a challenge.

Torte de lini your TL;DR is longer than your original statement...


Haha, yeah. My bad. I just hate these videos because they narrowly ignore a lot of factors and variables and attempt to grab its audience with funny wordplay and straight-to-the-point blunt attacks while indicating a somehow separation between one gamer over another.

I don't even see the relativity of this video to the topics the OP is whining about.

I mean for starters: Oh no, the interactivity of a good story is not the equivalent of 1984, God Forbid! I am clearly a low-life cretin because Mass Effect was an entertaining game coupled with a very thrilling story.

I actually think all of the arguments you're making in your original post and the one I quoted are what the video is trying to portray, not mock. Maybe I misinterpreted you as well. Though that being said I also didn't like it and thought the parody was way too forced and poor sport, and old as hell.

I get the impression that a majority of the people that found this entertaining (or even, original?) haven't experienced Yahtzee/ZP, and I feel disappointed for them because you'll probably love it, and there's probably tens of hours of ZP to be seen.
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