EPTThe n00b effect - Page 10
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ZarMulix
United States77 Posts
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Axeinst
Belize281 Posts
On March 09 2011 22:47 ZarMulix wrote: I you accept that there are genetic differences and environmental differences that impact the brain and its ability to preform a specific set of tasks optimally, and you accept that a set of random players you choose will have said differences, then logically you must conclude that their ability to preform optimally will probably be different. There is only evidence for individual types of learning, but no evidence for skill cap. | ||
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Hane
France210 Posts
Everyone can be mid masterleague, only skilled guys can reach top100. | ||
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Axeinst
Belize281 Posts
On March 09 2011 22:57 Hane wrote: My corean teacher said me something like that : "to be good at something you need 1%skill and 99%practice". Everyone can be mid masterleague, only skilled guys can reach top100. There is no evidence for claims like that. Please, stop saying that unless you have evidence. | ||
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palanq
United States761 Posts
"...all the Starcraft training in the world couldn't prevent Park Sung Joon from sticking his golden mouse up your ass." | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On March 09 2011 23:02 Axeinst wrote: There is no evidence for claims like that. Please, stop saying that unless you have evidence. Doesn't Outliers by Malcolm Gladwell prove that 99% of "ability" is a result of practice? He did quite a few studies on it and provides a lot of evidence, I generally trust Gladwell's research. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On March 09 2011 22:57 Hane wrote: My corean teacher said me something like that : "to be good at something you need 1%skill and 99%practice". Everyone can be mid masterleague, only skilled guys can reach top100. Your teacher is a moron, and that does not surprise me since you're French and everybody knows that french's education system is becoming more and more garbage. I have one question for you: how is it possible that your 1% skill is not equally distributed in our society despite gender / social class ? | ||
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above
United States71 Posts
On March 08 2011 15:44 chenchen wrote: "rusher fag", not "russian fag" =P You know, well executed timing attacks. I know im a few days late but that is the quote of the day for me. 1 gold star for you buddy  | ||
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Soliduok
Canada222 Posts
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Hane
France210 Posts
On March 09 2011 23:26 WhiteDog wrote: Your teacher is a moron, and that does not surprise me since you're French and everybody knows that french's education system is becoming more and more garbage. nt, she is corean. Edit : On March 09 2011 23:26 WhiteDog wrote: I have one question for you: how is it possible that your 1% skill is not equally distributed in our society despite gender / social class ? Hum, i don't have the actual skill to speak about it in english ;( And i'm not rly sure that we are speaking about the same skill. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
And it's also funny to think that most of the player who are telling other to stop QQing are the one that will most likely QQ themselves if their race goes down/face difficulties. I edited cauz my post made no sense. | ||
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ElPeque.fogata
Uruguay462 Posts
We are not equal in terms of either intelligence or dexterity. And i'm not talking about disabled people. I'm not disabled, i do pretty good at football (soccer), yet i will never be a Messi (not even Missi with his legs cut below the knee). And i'm not mentally disabled either, i actually consider myself above average, yet would never accomplish half of what let's say, Albert Einstein could have accomplished while being in coma. And intelligence is not a linear magnitude, it is multidimensional. It is time and spacial sensitive. It's the ability to both abstract and generalize scenarios. Its knowing how to extrapolate and predict using only partial information. It's skill at the time of assigning a value to a situation compared to other. It's the ability to empathise with the opponent, which happens to be another human, and thus be able to use such information as an advantage, as a deceit, or psychological warfare. It's being able to do all this things in speed. It's being able to have many ideas in mind at the same time. It's about being organized. This kind of stuff is in part genetic and in part learned. And we are not equal in either of them. What you have been doing, and what your surrounds were will make you develop some skills better than others, always limited by genetic factors. And the stage in life in which you approached them also makes a dent. It is easier to learn some things when you are young than as you grow older. So the only truth about success in whatever, is that you will get better with practice. Comparison with other people other than playing some matches is meaningless. If talking about "chance", you can be pretty sure you are not going anywhere near GSL. It is just statistics. The same way there is "disabled" people, there are "super-able" people. And if we as a society are reluctant to see it and try to shield our thought-to-be damaged dignity by being "politically correct" and hug the "Little engine that could" tale without really trying as an excuse for sucking then we are bound to be mediocres compared to what each, individually could have been compared to ourselves, not others. I'm not saying that it is "bad". In the end it is all about being happy right? But it is the kind of retarded happiness i could smile upon in a monkey, not in the superior animals we usually like to think we are. excuse my english, maybe it came out messed up. | ||
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woofwoof
Canada63 Posts
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Chesner
Iceland817 Posts
edit: altho I agree with Jarett of course, always preferred gameplay > everything else :p | ||
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Gnial
Canada907 Posts
Haha, so funny. | ||
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Kazang
578 Posts
It's a parody, it's not supposed to be taken 100% seriously. http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation I cannot provide you with a link to a sense of humour though, some of you are screwed on that front. | ||
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MinoMino
Norway1103 Posts
On March 09 2011 23:11 TheTenthDoc wrote: Doesn't Outliers by Malcolm Gladwell prove that 99% of "ability" is a result of practice? He did quite a few studies on it and provides a lot of evidence, I generally trust Gladwell's research. That doesn't change the fact that Hane's post had nothing to back up his claim with. | ||
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MrTortoise
1388 Posts
On March 08 2011 15:29 Torte de Lini wrote: Haha, yeah. My bad. I just hate these videos because they narrowly ignore a lot of factors and variables and attempt to grab its audience with funny wordplay and straight-to-the-point blunt attacks while indicating a somehow separation between one gamer over another. I don't even see the relativity of this video to the topics the OP is whining about. I mean for starters: Oh no, the interactivity of a good story is not the equivalent of 1984, God Forbid! I am clearly a low-life cretin because Mass Effect was an entertaining game coupled with a very thrilling story. Id say you missed the point because if you found it to be a good game AND have a compelling story. Really before you rage and sound like the kind of noob he is talking about l2p at english? His point is you cant be pro at everything, accept it. Now get pro at the things you are good at and dont whine unless you are pro because your a noob and none cares what you think. There is no evidence of a skill cap?!?!?! WTF of course there is ... people carry out actions IN TIME. Because there is a finite amount of time and people do not learn at an infinite rate there is a skill cap by necessity. Please if you are going to talk philosophy under the guise of pseudo psychology l2p philosophy because otherwise you are talking rubbish. To elucidate the % skill comment, the quote origionates from Kants definition of genius (I think in his wors on the aesthetic) which is esssentially talent mixed with dedication (Think rock lee). He was a prodestant and had a podestant work ethic. The point is you take 2 euqally skilled people in potential and the one who works harder will be better. Skill is a combination of knowledge and automation allowing you to abstract higher and higher away from a task allowing you to concerntrate on ever more general problems. High skill comes from high practise not your parents. Naturally if your genes / education suck you wont get sill as fast. | ||
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hmsrenown
Canada1263 Posts
On March 09 2011 19:01 Axeinst wrote: Basketball is different thing, because in that sport there is clear evidence of natural born factors that have impact on how high you can go in basketball. Though, there is some exceptions to this rule aswell. In sc2, there is no known things like that. Really? do you find action accuracy and multi-tasking to be trained traits ONLY? Physical limitation is present for every part of the body, including hands and brain development. | ||
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deathly rat
United Kingdom911 Posts
This kind of thing is only written by people in their teens/early 20's before they get a bit older and realise that if they had dedicated themselves to something they could have been/done ANYTHING they wanted. If you're a normal 15 year old or younger, and reading this right now, and you want to be a professional footballer or doctor you can do it, but you must work consistantly every day towards your goal. Of course there are a few people who have a natural talent, but there are many fewer people who have the focus and determination to work towards being excellent at whatever they choose to do. | ||
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