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Practice without talent makes you a good player
Talent without practice makes you a good player
Practice + Talent makes you a baller.
For example: People like capablanca are natural born geniuses. He never read a book about chess, and rolled over the other players. That were in the begining of the proffessional chess era.
If he played nowadays against people like kasparov who have huge talent and had read so many books he will get crushed.
Even a noob with good openings knowledge would have an edge against capablanca (fisher)
Edit: I understood the message wrong. It's not about practice 
Anyway gaming industries don't invest in gameplay , they invest in crappy graphics, marketing, etc ..
Maybe i am too old, but with ps3 and xbox games, i never hade the same pleasure playing neogeo/megadrive/nec games back in the days .
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This has been posted before on TL. As to it's merits.. Well it was funny but I'm not sure I agree with the message :/
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A lot of people here are not understanding the actual message of the video, whether it's meant to be completely a parody or not. He's making fun of the trends in the gaming industry, where developers are putting less into gameplay and game content and more into having shiny effects and packaging, which is true.
edit: It has nothing to do with practice, or aspiring to be a progamer or whatnot.
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On March 08 2011 15:53 Gliche wrote:
A lot of people here are not understanding the actual message of the video, whether it's meant to be completely a parody or not. He's making fun of the trends in the gaming industry, where developers are putting less into gameplay and game content and more into having shiny effects and packaging, which is true.
edit: It has nothing to do with practice, or aspiring to be a progamer or whatnot.
Gliche is right. The video's discussion of "casuals vs pros" is directed toward the newer generation of players who constantly cry over a games mechanics and spit on those who have the drive and desire to be great. Like he says, people say "if I played THAT much of XXXXXX game I'd be just as good too", when I'm sure that doesn't apply to 99% of TL readers. Yes the players that are great at the games we know best DO play a lot, but they go beyond, they learn, they strategize, they practice with purpose.. It's a cheers to the people who are passionate about the games they love, who play for the challenge and not because "it's the thing to do".
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i liked it, but i think that starcraft is alone in the world in the sense that *quote from day9* "Starcraft requires as much brain power as a chess grand master AND you must also have the dexterity of a musician, and it is the combination of these two things that makes starcraft such a hard game to play"
but we all play day in and day out the be the best we can be ALL for that moment you look back and reflect on your starcraft "career" and say....hey.. i have improved :D
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I was ready to give this guy the benefit of the doubt until he simultaneously called reviewers at all major gaming websites terrible gamers and said that Portal was a terrible game, which it obviously is not.
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On March 08 2011 16:02 ProfessorCold wrote:
I was ready to give this guy the benefit of the doubt until he simultaneously called reviewers at all major gaming websites terrible gamers and said that Portal was a terrible game, which it obviously is not.
Pretty sure he was talking against those who said Portal was meh.
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A lot of people are taking offense to the entirely superfluous comedic insults aspect of the video and missing the point. For those that need it spelled out, the point, which I'll admit he seems to be straying from towards the end, is that the fun of the game is the game itself, it's inherent challenge and the quest to be better at it. He seems to be saying that too many "noobs" leads to games that are designed without real learning curves or with a skill ceiling.
whoops, beaten to it.
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On March 08 2011 15:20 Torte de Lini wrote:
Cool, a video with a bright yellow backdrop and uses imagery to comedically display his fast-spoken narration and downplays all factors that makes a "good game".
Cool, a topic that has no opinion but rather tells us to watch the 3 minute and 50 seconds of an opinion they needed to be developed in order to justify why other topics of balance and gameplay flood our forums.
I'd voice an opinion but this guy has lead his opinion onto insulting me because we have different views of good gameplay and a good game.
tl:dr The video attempts to tell us that no matter how much we practice we cannot be a pro-gamer or those who are on the competitive scene despite numerous professionals claiming otherwise by their own persoanl experience that the video-creator has none of.
Through the insults and the attempt to be vastly witty while also side-stepping an actual point, the video lends itself to be redundantly bad with its sub-par attempt of analogies to today's pop culture and its references.
To conclude, practice does make perfect and just because this guy has a laissez-faire attitude doesn't mean I will equally give up playing a game and striving to be better that goes in conjunction with the uber-gamers that enjoy a challenge.
it was a spoof of zero punctuation.
it's pure pwnage, it's a comedy site about video games. stop overanalyzing things
edit: just to chime in, i think that what he says is right in a sense. i guarantee if you practice and study starcraft you'll become at least plat or diamond no matter how bad your mechanics are. of course you'll never be gsl level. i agree with his opinion on newer games focusing on quality graphics instead of gameplay and etc. i just think that some games should be for the game play, some games should be for the story and the graphics. phoenix wright/heavy rain etc are more for story but sc2 would be for the gameplay.
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I LAUGHED SO HARD.
*sent to everyone I know*
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On March 08 2011 15:33 thunk wrote:
It was a nice attempt at a parody of the real Yahtzee, I suppose.
Yea, I don't think most people realize that this is a parody video. Not a bad Yahtzee accent either, he really nails the enunciations haha
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On March 08 2011 16:11 shawster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2011 15:20 Torte de Lini wrote:
Cool, a video with a bright yellow backdrop and uses imagery to comedically display his fast-spoken narration and downplays all factors that makes a "good game".
Cool, a topic that has no opinion but rather tells us to watch the 3 minute and 50 seconds of an opinion they needed to be developed in order to justify why other topics of balance and gameplay flood our forums.
I'd voice an opinion but this guy has lead his opinion onto insulting me because we have different views of good gameplay and a good game.
tl:dr The video attempts to tell us that no matter how much we practice we cannot be a pro-gamer or those who are on the competitive scene despite numerous professionals claiming otherwise by their own persoanl experience that the video-creator has none of.
Through the insults and the attempt to be vastly witty while also side-stepping an actual point, the video lends itself to be redundantly bad with its sub-par attempt of analogies to today's pop culture and its references.
To conclude, practice does make perfect and just because this guy has a laissez-faire attitude doesn't mean I will equally give up playing a game and striving to be better that goes in conjunction with the uber-gamers that enjoy a challenge. it was a spoof of zero punctuation. it's pure pwnage, it's a comedy site about video games. stop overanalyzing things edit: just to chime in, i think that what he says is right in a sense. i guarantee if you practice and study starcraft you'll become at least plat or diamond no matter how bad your mechanics are. of course you'll never be gsl level. i agree with his opinion on newer games focusing on quality graphics instead of gameplay and etc. i just think that some games should be for the game play, some games should be for the story and the graphics. phoenix wright/heavy rain etc are more for story but sc2 would be for the gameplay.
I'm pretty sure the point of the topic isn't: "Hey guys, check out this spoof of another related comedic gaming site".
Let's focus.
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I just thought it is funny how the message of the video applies even more today than when it was made. The part that I agreed most upon was the part that said that casuals will blame mechanics first instead of admitting the player that beat them was just a better player, had more practice, or more talent. I am a zerg player and just came out of a starcraft depression and finally just realized I had stopped having fun with the game and that I should just practice as much as I could and if I dont make gsl well, at least I had fun playing..
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On March 08 2011 16:24 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2011 16:11 shawster wrote:On March 08 2011 15:20 Torte de Lini wrote:
Cool, a video with a bright yellow backdrop and uses imagery to comedically display his fast-spoken narration and downplays all factors that makes a "good game".
Cool, a topic that has no opinion but rather tells us to watch the 3 minute and 50 seconds of an opinion they needed to be developed in order to justify why other topics of balance and gameplay flood our forums.
I'd voice an opinion but this guy has lead his opinion onto insulting me because we have different views of good gameplay and a good game.
tl:dr The video attempts to tell us that no matter how much we practice we cannot be a pro-gamer or those who are on the competitive scene despite numerous professionals claiming otherwise by their own persoanl experience that the video-creator has none of.
Through the insults and the attempt to be vastly witty while also side-stepping an actual point, the video lends itself to be redundantly bad with its sub-par attempt of analogies to today's pop culture and its references.
To conclude, practice does make perfect and just because this guy has a laissez-faire attitude doesn't mean I will equally give up playing a game and striving to be better that goes in conjunction with the uber-gamers that enjoy a challenge. it was a spoof of zero punctuation. it's pure pwnage, it's a comedy site about video games. stop overanalyzing things edit: just to chime in, i think that what he says is right in a sense. i guarantee if you practice and study starcraft you'll become at least plat or diamond no matter how bad your mechanics are. of course you'll never be gsl level. i agree with his opinion on newer games focusing on quality graphics instead of gameplay and etc. i just think that some games should be for the game play, some games should be for the story and the graphics. phoenix wright/heavy rain etc are more for story but sc2 would be for the gameplay. I'm pretty sure the point of the topic isn't: "Hey guys, check out this spoof of another related comedic gaming site". Let's focus.
Except Pure Pwnage is the reason this video exists. They created the video in the OP. That's why almost everyone is laughing, and you're not, because you don't understand it's a joke.
It's a joke d00d. Stop taking it so seriously.
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haha this was awesome, lol at rusher fags and the uncoordinated ball of ghey :DD
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As far as I know, Jarett(Jeremy from PP) plays starcraft and regularly plays/reads teamliquid. I bet he'll see this thread.
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On March 08 2011 15:48 LeCastor wrote:
Practice without talent makes you a good player
Talent without practice makes you a good player
Practice + Talent makes you a baller.
I agree with this theory. Tyler is a good example of someone who doesn't practice much but is a good player. I can think of players who spam ladder 24/7 with 2.5k+ games and aren't getting anywhere but I don't want to call them out.
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On March 08 2011 16:48 hoby2000 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2011 16:24 Torte de Lini wrote:On March 08 2011 16:11 shawster wrote:On March 08 2011 15:20 Torte de Lini wrote:
Cool, a video with a bright yellow backdrop and uses imagery to comedically display his fast-spoken narration and downplays all factors that makes a "good game".
Cool, a topic that has no opinion but rather tells us to watch the 3 minute and 50 seconds of an opinion they needed to be developed in order to justify why other topics of balance and gameplay flood our forums.
I'd voice an opinion but this guy has lead his opinion onto insulting me because we have different views of good gameplay and a good game.
tl:dr The video attempts to tell us that no matter how much we practice we cannot be a pro-gamer or those who are on the competitive scene despite numerous professionals claiming otherwise by their own persoanl experience that the video-creator has none of.
Through the insults and the attempt to be vastly witty while also side-stepping an actual point, the video lends itself to be redundantly bad with its sub-par attempt of analogies to today's pop culture and its references.
To conclude, practice does make perfect and just because this guy has a laissez-faire attitude doesn't mean I will equally give up playing a game and striving to be better that goes in conjunction with the uber-gamers that enjoy a challenge. it was a spoof of zero punctuation. it's pure pwnage, it's a comedy site about video games. stop overanalyzing things edit: just to chime in, i think that what he says is right in a sense. i guarantee if you practice and study starcraft you'll become at least plat or diamond no matter how bad your mechanics are. of course you'll never be gsl level. i agree with his opinion on newer games focusing on quality graphics instead of gameplay and etc. i just think that some games should be for the game play, some games should be for the story and the graphics. phoenix wright/heavy rain etc are more for story but sc2 would be for the gameplay. I'm pretty sure the point of the topic isn't: "Hey guys, check out this spoof of another related comedic gaming site". Let's focus. Except Pure Pwnage is the reason this video exists. They created the video in the OP. That's why almost everyone is laughing, and you're not, because you don't understand it's a joke. It's a joke d00d. Stop taking it so seriously.
Then what's the intention of the OP?
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I just wanted to share a lighthearted message to a stressed out community thats all...
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