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This is the same post as my last one, except now I have a replay:
As a protoss player, walling your ramp with two buildings and a zealot is pretty standard in ZvP. Every zerg player has experienced the frustration of being unable to bypass the hold position zealot. However, I have played several games over the last month where my zerglings were able to slip by for some reason. At first I attributed it to poor zealot position, but later I discovered that there is actually a way to force zerglings past the hold position zealot. It is very simple too:
1. Get a group of zerglings
2. Run them up the ramp and spam click right next to the zealot. Sometimes this can be hard to do because of various building positions, but you can still do it.
3. Your zerglings will push the zealot out of the way and eventually you can stream lings past and wreak havoc in the base.
Unfortunately, I think this sort of breaks the ZvP matchup =/. The other races can't handle a swarm of zerglings that early on inside their base, so they sort of need that wall. The only counter to this is to make a complete wall with a pylon or something.
Here is the replay:
http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/113532-1v1-terran-unit_test_map#rd:dna
I did it twice. The first test had a zealot with one side to the cliff and one to the building, and the second was with the zealot between two buildings. It is much easier to do this when the zealot has a cliff to his side.
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jesus please tell me your are kidding, watching rep now and praying.
edit - holy shit it is true fml
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I'm testing this now doesn't seem to work.. going to watch your replay.
I guess it only works if the zealot is by the ledge, but not if you do a typical wall in with core and gate on either sides of the zealot?
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Wtf if this is true..... Oh lord
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Ive had lings run past hold position zealots before, wrecked my day. However most zergs see the zealot and don't engage it because they think they'll never get through... not entirely true depending on how the zealot is positioned.
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if its true itll be patched quickly..or we will see ActionJesuses everywhere
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just saw the replay... looks pretty legit - glad iam terran :O
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great one. I hope it wont be fixed as a bug.
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some things better be undiscovered forever......THATS ONE OF THEM!!!!
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On December 08 2010 03:38 hifriend wrote:
I'm testing this now doesn't seem to work.. going to watch your replay.
I guess it only works if the zealot is by the ledge, but not if you do a typical wall in with core and gate on either sides of the zealot?
I thought people might raise that point, so the second part of the replay has me doing it with a zealot between a gateway and a cybercore.
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not sure why you would post this on a popular forum if its indeed true. now we're gonna get raped. if you were a zerg player i could understand....
shoulda just submitted it to blizz if anything
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I'm pretty sure there was a huge thread discussing this a couple of months ago but, I can't find it. Basically, I think this is only true if the zealot is not placed in the same orientation as the space it's taking up on the building grid. The zealot also has to be in the perfect spot or else it'll let lings in when it turns to attack them.
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On December 08 2010 03:42 Azide wrote:
not sure why you would post this on a popular forum if its indeed true. now we're gonna get raped. if you were a zerg player i could understand....
shoulda just submitted it to blizz if anything
lol especially if he is a zerg he shouldnt have post it. then he could have abused it forever without people reporting it^^
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Ah. My bad, I tried searching for it, but my search terms didn't bring up anything.
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HAHA TIME TO RAPE ZVP WITH SPEEDLINGS UNTIL THEY PATCH 
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Well just build one more zealot, zerg needs ton of lings to do that anyway
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On December 08 2010 03:43 Jettster wrote:
I'm pretty sure there was a huge thread discussing this a couple of months ago but, I can't find it. Basically, I think this is only true if the zealot is not placed in the same orientation as the space it's taking up on the building grid. The zealot also has to be in the perfect spot or else it'll let lings in when it turns to attack them.
What do you mean "same orientation"?
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Is there a way for the P player to test this? Like, spamming right click with a second zealot to see if he can get past the wall? Or will that not work because of the zergling's incredibly small unit model?
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EPT
