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iamperfection
United States9646 Posts
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iamperfection
United States9646 Posts
On November 23 2012 00:55 marvellosity wrote: I might as well say now, I do plan on running for party leader in the coming days if I'm around to do so. i would currently oppose this you have not looked super town yet in my eyes. sorry buddy. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On November 23 2012 00:58 iamperfection wrote: i would currently oppose this you have not looked super town yet in my eyes. sorry buddy. just you wait, i'll shout at a bunch of people and then you'll love it. | ||
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
On November 23 2012 00:55 marvellosity wrote: I might as well say now, I do plan on running for party leader in the coming days if I'm around to do so. I thought you were lazy, why the change of heart? | ||
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iamperfection
United States9646 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18296 Posts
On November 23 2012 00:55 marvellosity wrote: I might as well say now, I do plan on running for party leader in the coming days if I'm around to do so. Marv claiming scum. He expects to be around after N1. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18296 Posts
On November 23 2012 01:00 iamperfection wrote: what do you know about this bio guy? I know I mistakenly vig shot him in Bastard 2 when he was being just as scummy as he is now. So I'll be a bit more careful this game in calling him scum based on lurk and meaningless posts. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On November 23 2012 01:00 phagga wrote: I thought you were lazy, why the change of heart? because now i feel i want to, whereas before i didn't. no particular reason other than i'm feeling it more. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
lol Marv, is your only day one objective to ensure I'm not elected? I'm honored. On November 22 2012 22:46 Acrofales wrote: Just caught this: is there something in your role that seems to indicate that alignments are different from game alignments? I for one have no reason to suspect so. Balance. If Crono, Lucca, Frog, Marle, etc. could all just claim, one day after the other then the mafia wouldn't be in a position to do anything about it. Fake claims are the alternative. On November 22 2012 15:31 Adam4167 wrote: Kitaman, I liked what you were saying early yesterday but this post, I do not like: Why are you trying to ward people away from voting for sandroba? You are fear mongering that he 'might' be turning over a new-leaf as scum and as such, shouldn't vote for him on that basis. So far, all that you've done to indicate that you think sandroba is scum is to colour his name in red (along with syllo and marv) with no other explanation. Care to go into detail about why you think he is scum? Well it wouldn't be a new leaf. I'm saying its something I've seen before playing mafia with him. The reason that I'm bringing it up is that I don't buy into so many people voting for him because he is simply easy to read. I'm not willing to call him scum yet, but I'm willing to say he isn't in my top 10 of people to choose from. On November 22 2012 23:00 Acrofales wrote: Kita, I don't like your "not taking with me" post at all. While I agree that iamperfection is a terrible choice and probably scum, your being annoyed is not a scumtell. But I'm listing people I don't want on my team. There is a difference between being scum and providing no indication that they are scum. Pushing a policy on him to exclude from teams until he improves the quality of his posts isn't a bad thing. On November 22 2012 23:00 Acrofales wrote: A joke, and a "he's scum", without an explanation. Mind expanding this read. I am so far not getting scumvibes on risk. He hasn't been support me! It hurts. Deeply. On November 22 2012 23:00 Acrofales wrote: Cautiously null. Why single out SnB of all the players you are probably cautiously null on. This just seems weird, and weird things from someone who is otherwise making a lot of sense make me suspicious. Would you want someone who is null to be on your team? He was chosen in specific in hopes of seeing him improve his contributions. Someone like Bio also could have gone here, but this list really wasn't exhaustive and my second post I felt was more important. On November 22 2012 23:00 Acrofales wrote: So all in all, this list is pretty damned weaksauce, which makes me wonder why it is here in the first place. At first my eye slipped over it and I thought, "hah, Kita is posting some good content", but on a doubletake it really is not good content at all. I myself called this post not very concrete in the intro. I'm not passing it off as good content, rather people I want to see improve if they hope to have any chance of being selected later on. On November 22 2012 23:07 Acrofales wrote: Ugh, I should probably consolidate my thoughts and questions for Kita. He is really puzzling me. Here is the next question: These thoughts never came... From his selected party, it seems obvious he believes the claim and believes Frog to be town (or a beneficial third party at least). He confirms this opinion (or the claim is the confirmation) with Dino's filter. This is somewhat in contrast to his earlier thoughts, where player characters were suspect until mod confirmation through flips. Dino was on my list before the Frog claim. Right now the two most likely scenarios are: 1) He is a town Frog, which explains why a newbie has the confidence and desire to be elected 2) Frog was the strongest mafia fake claim and they put it forward to plant a mafia in the party Right now I'm leaning towards 1, based on the rest of his posts, but that is subject to change. On November 23 2012 00:18 syllogism wrote: Yes, I might gain more votes by making my reads public. I would also gain more reads by pretending to be completely confident in my reads; I'm not. I have not finalized my team yet (right now I've 2 whom I'm likely to take and a few possibilities for the third) and may not finalize it until the end. An honest assessment as to why I'm not going to is a combination of considering it optimal play (if I get the votes), being lazy and because sometimes my town reads rely on things other players may find flimsy or the reasons are otherwise difficult to explain (tone, whether the person feels earnest). If I were mafia, there would be absolutely no reason not to make the list of people I intend to pick public. I tend to agree that revealing all your picks is subject to mafia influence. I revealed my picks to gauge a town reaction. Just to be clear, if I'm elected I'm not going to bind myself to the three individuals I mentioned earlier, although some or all will likely be included. I'm going to pick the four people that I believe give the best chance of success. Right now I'm going to be looking at syllo's sudden flip on his read on sandroba. syllo if you could provide more insight that would be helpful. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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goodkarma
United States1067 Posts
On November 23 2012 00:18 syllogism wrote: I can't explain it better than I have. It doesn't feel like he cares about figuring things out and there is no sense of urgency despite him being one of the most likely people to be elected. He has made no attempts at figuring out who mafia is and it seems to me he is hiding behind the fact he doesn't have to. There is being lazy and then there is just not caring. My other reasons rely on my knowledge of how he thinks and some of the things he has said feel off; can't elaborate more on that. Yes, I might gain more votes by making my reads public. I would also gain more reads by pretending to be completely confident in my reads; I'm not. I have not finalized my team yet (right now I've 2 whom I'm likely to take and a few possibilities for the third) and may not finalize it until the end. An honest assessment as to why I'm not going to is a combination of considering it optimal play (if I get the votes), being lazy and because sometimes my town reads rely on things other players may find flimsy or the reasons are otherwise difficult to explain (tone, whether the person feels earnest). If I were mafia, there would be absolutely no reason not to make the list of people I intend to pick public. I question if this is in fact true. Being held accountable upfront for the people you choose is important, as is producing an open forum of discussion for others. Such discussion provides valuable information about others' thought processes that would otherwise be lost. Also, from a scum perspective, a blind ticket can sometimes be more appealing for people to get behind than a known ticket (And for this reason being secretive would be a good play as mafia.)... And yes, I'm droning, and, this certainly is obvious, yet it beared discussion due to how absurd the bolded portion of your quote is. I honestly don't care if you find your reasoning for one or two members of your selected party could be flimsy to others. Give us a chance to stack up your chosen party against your reads. Pretty please. As for what I plan to do: I hereby concede my campaign. There did appear to be some going interest in it, and I will certainly take future note of it for the future. However, I will not have the appropriate time to gather the momentum I will need to come from behind, and it is important we consolidate our votes as the deadline approaches. I will be voting for syllogism. I am really displeased with his determination to keep his party secret, as I have already outlined. However, he is hands down the lesser of the three (fairly evenly distributed by votes) evils. Of Kita, Sandroba, and Syllo, I choose syllo. I would further recommend that in the interest of consolidation as soon as possible we bring it down to two people. Having three people stay in the running in the long term will be much easier for mafia to manipulate. ##Unvote ##Vote: Syllogism | ||
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
On November 23 2012 01:02 marvellosity wrote: because now i feel i want to, whereas before i didn't. no particular reason other than i'm feeling it more. And why are the following quoted points no longer an issue for you? Marv once wrote: Plus I don't feel very at home in themed setups like this. There are going to be some differences in how scum/town players act compared to normal setups, and I don't know what they are yet. There are a few players in this game who I hold in extremely high regard (I think are better than me) and in that situation I feel somewhat insecure. If those players weren't in the game I'm pretty sure I would be standing for party leader because I'd think I knew best out of everyone playing, but I don't think that in this game. Do you think now that you know best of everyone playing? If so, why don't you run for leadership today? | ||
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Dienosore
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
On November 23 2012 00:49 phagga wrote: Please elaborate the bolded points. What exactly is it that makes them strong scumread/scummy? I identified them as mafia very early in the game. Since then, I've been evaluating their interactions with everyone, and they seem to always come up negatively. I can only assume scum because why would a towny act this way? Why else would they garner so much distrust and hate from everyone except for the people I've flagged as possible scum too? I realize there isn't much tangible evidence... however, if you put enough toothpicks together, eventually you will have a house. On November 23 2012 00:51 Acrofales wrote: Why do you have the Scum? by my name, yet I don't appear in your scumreads based on this? If you'll look closely, it says Scum? not Scum. I'm not going to flat out accuse anyone who I'm not entirely sure of. But know my eye is on you, Acro. Oh and I know you have some secret relation with CaveJohnson. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On November 22 2012 16:11 Promethelax wrote: Kita may not be the best leader but he is better than Syllo/Sand (though I would vote Syllo over sand) and I hate the party you chose. I think that Kita has a chance to be party leader and has a better chance of being town than Sand or Syllo. His town reads also agree with mine. If I'm not the best leader than why are you voting for me? Who is the best leader in your opinion? You stated that you trust me based on my selected party, your own inclusion and the fact that I'm not syllo/sandroba. What is your reasoning not suspecting that I'm the mole in the party? | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
On November 23 2012 00:42 syllogism wrote: You say that you do not trust me. Does that mean you don't think that I'm town or just that I'm less likely to pick a good team than goodkarma. Why did you trust sandroba over me? It's not about that, with you and sandroba I don't know who to trust. I agreed with you on several of your points you made against Sandroba which was what caused my initial mistrust for him and why I started looking around for other candidates. However there are several things about Sandroba that I don't think scum would do that you neglected to bring up. In the end I'm not sure if sandroba is town or scum. In Election Mafia Arctocod had great support and was to be elected when scum made him unable. After that a scum candidate rocketed. I feel suspicious at you coming in as a second place holder rocketing up unresisted. I think it's safer to step back and support a candidate that only have support from people I had townreads on. | ||
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
On November 23 2012 01:06 Dienosore wrote: I identified them as mafia very early in the game. Since then, I've been evaluating their interactions with everyone, and they seem to always come up negatively. I can only assume scum because why would a towny act this way? Why else would they garner so much distrust and hate from everyone except for the people I've flagged as possible scum too? I realize there isn't much tangible evidence... however, if you put enough toothpicks together, eventually you will have a house. What exactly made you identify them as mafia early in the game? Which actions of them were scum-motivated? | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
On November 23 2012 00:38 Dienosore wrote: I hope I haven't committed suicide with this post :X Alright, guys. I've been doing a lot of watching these past 30~ pages or so. I've come up with this aggregate system that isn't based around calling people towny or scum, but rather personal interactions. Using my extraordinary abilities to decipher what people mean rather than what they say, I've drawn out what I think is turning out to be a very interesting relationship map, and here it is: ![[image loading]](http://i45.tinypic.com/22mao4.jpg) The wiggly lines show hate/distrust, while the straight lines show some sort of companionship. There are a few other types of lines in there that represent different things, but I don't really feel like going into depth about every little mark. From this, I am able to extrapolate what I see into a larger picture. The only things that really set off flags for me are these: - Djodref and Goodkarma coming up as strong scumreads. - Kitaman drawing a lot of attention for little reason. - CaveJohnson coming up as scummy. - Iamperfection being indicated in secret relationships with SnB and CaveJohnson. I've also spotted some sort of mysterious link between Promethelax/Kushm4sta, Promethelax/Kitaman, and Risk.Nuke/Promethelax. I find it hard to think townies would be forming these sort of clandestine connections this early in the game, though it does not necessarily make them scum. There is always the possibility of a third party out there. Right now, I havn't really made any clear towny reads using this map other than Syllo. Sandroba was clear town for me until Syllo raised some suspicion with his >50% remark. Another flag is the sudden surge of support for Kitaman27 from people who I've dubbed as suspicious. What's also interesting is who is not on the map. BioSC caught a bit of negative attention from Iamperfection early on, then sort of disappeared. Not sure what this means. Alright that's all I have for now. Looking through all my info, it's pretty clear that I'm not going to be first leader, and that's fine with me. I just hope I get in the party and survive the night. What in dumbs name? Kush. These are the moronscum you dayvig. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On November 23 2012 01:06 phagga wrote: And why are the following quoted points no longer an issue for you? Do you think now that you know best of everyone playing? If so, why don't you run for leadership today? I'm not suddenly going to think I'm better than everyone else when I didn't before, no  But I feel quite integrated into this game by now and this helps a lot with how I feel vis-a-vis running for party leader.sandroba has question marks over his head by syllo. kitaman has done nothing to make me think he's town, plus i disagree with a few of his reads. Doesn't make him scum necessarily, but I don't trust him. syllo would as it stands get my vote next cycle too, but it might be best if power isn't that concentrated. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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