EPTRazer King of the Beta by Day[9] - Page 47
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All Quiet
United States62 Posts
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charlesatan
Philippines75 Posts
The Hydra/ling combination could have worked out if Tester didn't have excellent Forcefield placement. The problem with Collosi is that it usually needs units to tank the damage and Stalkers (he did have some Zealots but majority of his forces were Stalkers) aren't the best units to tank. (Props to Tester for effective use of Forcefields.) Switching to Corruptors wasn't viable at that point as Idra scouted it too late. There were also several Stalkers on the map, making Overlord scouting/dropping a bit difficult (but not impossible). P.S. Another key strategy of Tester was his fast Collosi. As Day[9] noted, Tester wasn't doing much with his double Robotics Bay when it just finished but later on, when he transitioned to Collosus, he started spamming his saved-up Chronoboosts so it was quick to move from 0 collosus to 2 to 4 (with upgrades). | ||
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Ouga
Finland645 Posts
 The 2nd game game I didn't like either. He has the ability to make more drones than avg zerg, he definately could afford making that spire earlier. What is he going to do with almost pure hydra anyway? Map is full of chokes and it's impossible to attack from either choke location if toss decides to camp. He should've teched, likely to broods, or do doomdrop. Or just play out with roach/corruptor/hydra, even that would've won the game. I don't see how hydras could work in zvp where there's no locations to openly fight - your army gets halved by FFs everytime. I feel it's hard enough to get to that good point as zerg, throwing game off and losing 200 v 160pop fight in zvp shouldn't happen if you've played well enough to get to that spot. This wasn't about incredible FF micro (is there such?) but mostly just plain bad unit"mix". Of course it's possible he just had bad timing with spire and there were actually 20 corruptors building in the end, can't see everything from stream. I sure hope thinking wasn't like "oh, colis. Well im 200pop I can beat it!". Since I couldn't see anything being done about it. | ||
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shlomo
258 Posts
Nothing wrong with Zerg at all, no m'am.. And if when Zerg wins it's way too often at the end of some epic 30+ minute game, that's just the way it is. Too bad these guys didn't pick easymode, right? /snore. | ||
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st3roids
Greece538 Posts
I mean all the other zerg players that utilize agression + infestors + air vs collossi and all the other tricks dont know s$it cause staying in def mode forever massing hydras is the way to go ;p ps last time i checked sc2 isnt a who has the most bases wins or somehting similar. Luckily for most of us it takes creativity as well which suprisingly isnt defending most of the time massing a single type of unit and always open with 14 pool 15 hatchery or something similar | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
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Unfurl
United States272 Posts
can i expect it tonight? | ||
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koppik
United States676 Posts
Day 2: Protoss domination Day 3: ?? | ||
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Unfurl
United States272 Posts
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Ouga
Finland645 Posts
On July 20 2010 12:58 st3roids wrote: I mean all the other zerg players that utilize agression + infestors + air vs collossi and all the other tricks dont know s$it cause staying in def mode forever massing hydras is the way to go ;p ps last time i checked sc2 isnt a who has the most bases wins or somehting similar. Aggression in that map if you chose to go for hydras isn't possible unless you do big drop. Ofc massing JUST hydras is asking for trouble, specially in a map like this. But I don't think aggression or infestors were something that would've saved idra here :p SC2 btw IS a game where player with most bases (if he has those for few mins+) SHOULD win if he plays decently. And top players in top tournament do play at least "decent" majority of the time So losing so fast from those circumstances in g2 is pretty rare imo. | ||
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Warrior Madness
Canada3791 Posts
On July 20 2010 13:08 koppik wrote: Day 1: Terran domination Day 2: Protoss domination Day 3: ?? Day 9: Profit | ||
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st3roids
Greece538 Posts
On July 20 2010 13:12 Ouga wrote: Aggression in that map if you chose to go for hydras isn't possible unless you do big drop. Ofc massing JUST hydras is asking for trouble, specially in a map like this. But I don't think aggression or infestors were something that would've saved idra here :p SC2 btw IS a game where player with most bases (if he has those for few mins+) SHOULD win if he plays decently. And top players in top tournament do play at least "decent" majority of the time So losing so fast from those circumstances in g2 is pretty rare imo.Srsly infestors is the best unit you get as zerg , is unbelievable good esp in short maps , it would have gimped the blinbking stalkers with just 2 fg's and mass zerglings. Every noob knows that masing hydras vs guardian shield + collossi is gg , i mean like everyone . wheres the air vs collossi fyi - corruptors any1 ? , morph some to broodlords and gg for zerg , He could have also utilize muta harass , banelings drops and more scouting for starters. could have he won vs tester , prolly not but massing hydras is just way too noobish and has no exscuse for a guy that practises 24/7 I thing is the best zerg players are koreans - cool - check and the others only dimaga is good but lately he seems off shape . | ||
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setzer
United States3284 Posts
On July 20 2010 12:12 kajeus wrote: Who are you people? Did you watch the game? IdrA played TERRIBLY. He is NOT a good zerg player. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Step away from the blind Idra hate and actually analyze the game for a second. Idra did NOT play terribly, he actually did everything right for what he saw based on his information and everything up until that final battle was almost flawless. Tester's adaptability and play that game was jaw-dropping. That game was unarguably one of the most technical I have seen in the entire beta and I do not fault Idra for losing to a better player (come on, Tester was an A-team BW pro). Tester is going to walk away with this tournament, almost everyone knows that. Even with those losses, Idra still has a very good chance to get out of his group. If you really believe Idra is such a horrible zerg than please provide everyone with a replay of you doing better against the best player in SC2. | ||
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Day[9]
United States7366 Posts
Almost done w/ QXC vs White-ra | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
He gave up before the game started. | ||
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wintergt
Belgium1335 Posts
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goldrush
Canada709 Posts
It's possible that he predicted Storm, but even normal teching to Broodlords would have probably seen Corruptors out in time. | ||
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Chronopolis
Canada1484 Posts
TL DR: imo idra take more more bases when he knows tester can't push out, nydus to stall, toss ball can only be in one place at a single time. | ||
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kajeus
United States679 Posts
On July 20 2010 13:23 setzer wrote: You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Step away from the blind Idra hate and actually analyze the game for a second. Idra did NOT play terribly, he actually did everything right for what he saw based on his information and everything up until that final battle was almost flawless. Tester's adaptability and play that game was jaw-dropping. That game was unarguably one of the most technical I have seen in the entire beta and I do not fault Idra for losing to a better player (come on, Tester was an A-team BW pro). Tester is going to walk away with this tournament, almost everyone knows that. Even with those losses, Idra still has a very good chance to get out of his group. If you really believe Idra is such a horrible zerg than please provide everyone with a replay of you doing better against the best player in SC2. Dude, he massed hydras the whole game. Tester was switching tech for like 5 minutes to build the counters to mass light units. Idra did nothing but build more hydras. How is that impressive play? | ||
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st3roids
Greece538 Posts
He needed diferent army composition , hydras are weak vs protoss due to guardian shield + force fields + collossi. step one make infestors , use Fg on blinking stalkers , immobilize and kill them with fastlings. step 2 Corruptors or Np on collossi step 3 Baneling drops for bursting down protoss step 4 try morph some corruptorts to broodlords Opional step try pull out few ultras --profit -- fyi tester didnt bother to have ht for storms or do drops or anything fancy just a standar protoss play which can be easily counter from any experience zerg. Watch some cool or tlo games to see how is done imo | ||
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