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I can't even imagine training for something absurd like 12 hours would be helpful over a "healthy" 6-8 hours a day, which includes all your Sc2 activities like watching replay etc. and not just pure laddering/custom gaming.
I mean there's just a huge payoff at some point. I couldn't imagine something playing a game for 10hours each day for a week without getting seriously awful Starcraft "sleeping withdrawal". With that I mean just not getting the game out of your head because it's gotten so ingrained in your brain that while near-asleep you just keep imaging the game sounds and scenarios.
I mean being healthy and sane is damn important, too.
But then again, I guess I also couldn't argue against the statement, that there are players who DO benefit from extreme sessions like that, so yeh :/
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On April 09 2012 16:06 Hoodlum wrote:
Depends its varies from player to player but EG's Incontrol has talked about 10 to 12 hour practices and such...
Incontrol even said at some point that he himself was practicing that much. Pretty clear he doesn't as that was during the infamous period of his serial 0-10 group plays of shame at MLG.
And if he does really practice that much, then he shouldn't say it out loud, he's basically saying "I'm not talented at all guys, I will keep losing no matter how much I practice".
No, let's be serious here, if you want to look at serious practice, look at Koreans. Some stream for 8 hours in a row, and that's just streaming, it doesn't include special preparation and custom games, build reviewing and such.
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On April 09 2012 19:10 DarKFoRcE wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 18:22 Gosi wrote:On April 09 2012 18:07 DarKFoRcE wrote:
I think most of you overestimate how much pros practise. I also think its more important to be happy and healthy and just feel good in general, than to practise as much as humanly possible.
edit: This is talking about foreigners, koreans practise more in general.
You are right about that, but with that mindset some things in life just doesn't work out, and being a Starcraft progamer is one of them. You just have to pretty much drop everything in your life and dedicate all your time to practice and the game in general for being successful. You can't just play like 5 hours a day and live a "normal" life because it feels good for you, that won't make you win anything and it shows on every foreigner that isn't grinding this game all day everyday (the only exception would be Stephano?). My results have gotten much better after i started looking more at other aspects than just practising as much as possible. I think you have no clue tbh. Also, life continues after you stop playing starcraft. I know most of you think that every foreigner should practise every wake hour he has and that we have no right to do anything else.
Thats the thing with being a progamer, you give up so much when it comes to your future that you kinda have to win alot of money to at least have something when you stop with Starcraft. How do you compete with grinding koreans practicing 10-12 hours a day in a teamhouse with coaches and housekeepers by playing 5 hours a day on EU and spend the rest of the day with your girlfriend etc? Thats a unrealistic picture to have, and you can tell me how much better your results have gotten (you didn't have results before and you have no major results now that can prove your way of practice) but in the end you will never be a champion with the big bucks because your way of thinking and practice doesn't suit Starcraft progaming. You are a really good player, but there are still loooooots of better players out there than you that practice so much more than you, and you will never catch up to them if you don't do the exact same (See: Brood War practice hours, MMA fighers that live and breath training, diet and the sport etc).
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On April 09 2012 19:30 Gosi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 19:10 DarKFoRcE wrote:On April 09 2012 18:22 Gosi wrote:On April 09 2012 18:07 DarKFoRcE wrote:
I think most of you overestimate how much pros practise. I also think its more important to be happy and healthy and just feel good in general, than to practise as much as humanly possible.
edit: This is talking about foreigners, koreans practise more in general.
You are right about that, but with that mindset some things in life just doesn't work out, and being a Starcraft progamer is one of them. You just have to pretty much drop everything in your life and dedicate all your time to practice and the game in general for being successful. You can't just play like 5 hours a day and live a "normal" life because it feels good for you, that won't make you win anything and it shows on every foreigner that isn't grinding this game all day everyday (the only exception would be Stephano?). My results have gotten much better after i started looking more at other aspects than just practising as much as possible. I think you have no clue tbh. Also, life continues after you stop playing starcraft. I know most of you think that every foreigner should practise every wake hour he has and that we have no right to do anything else. Thats the thing with being a progamer, you give up so much when it comes to your future that you kinda have to win alot of money to at least have something when you stop with Starcraft. How do you compete with grinding koreans practicing 10-12 hours a day in a teamhouse with coaches and housekeepers by playing 5 hours a day on EU and spend the rest of the day with your girlfriend etc? Thats a unrealistic picture to have, and you can tell me how much better your results have gotten (you didn't have results before and you have no major results now that can prove your way of practice) but in the end you will never be a champion with the big bucks because your way of thinking and practice doesn't suit Starcraft progaming. You are a really good player, but there are still loooooots of better players out there than you that practice so much more than you, and you will never catch up to them if you don't do the exact same (See: Brood War practice hours, MMA fighers that live and breath training, diet and the sport etc).
Can i hire you as my coach?
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On April 09 2012 19:31 DarKFoRcE wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 19:30 Gosi wrote:On April 09 2012 19:10 DarKFoRcE wrote:On April 09 2012 18:22 Gosi wrote:On April 09 2012 18:07 DarKFoRcE wrote:
I think most of you overestimate how much pros practise. I also think its more important to be happy and healthy and just feel good in general, than to practise as much as humanly possible.
edit: This is talking about foreigners, koreans practise more in general.
You are right about that, but with that mindset some things in life just doesn't work out, and being a Starcraft progamer is one of them. You just have to pretty much drop everything in your life and dedicate all your time to practice and the game in general for being successful. You can't just play like 5 hours a day and live a "normal" life because it feels good for you, that won't make you win anything and it shows on every foreigner that isn't grinding this game all day everyday (the only exception would be Stephano?). My results have gotten much better after i started looking more at other aspects than just practising as much as possible. I think you have no clue tbh. Also, life continues after you stop playing starcraft. I know most of you think that every foreigner should practise every wake hour he has and that we have no right to do anything else. Thats the thing with being a progamer, you give up so much when it comes to your future that you kinda have to win alot of money to at least have something when you stop with Starcraft. How do you compete with grinding koreans practicing 10-12 hours a day in a teamhouse with coaches and housekeepers by playing 5 hours a day on EU and spend the rest of the day with your girlfriend etc? Thats a unrealistic picture to have, and you can tell me how much better your results have gotten (you didn't have results before and you have no major results now that can prove your way of practice) but in the end you will never be a champion with the big bucks because your way of thinking and practice doesn't suit Starcraft progaming. You are a really good player, but there are still loooooots of better players out there than you that practice so much more than you, and you will never catch up to them if you don't do the exact same (See: Brood War practice hours, MMA fighers that live and breath training, diet and the sport etc). Can i hire you as my coach?
No sorry, I'm studying 12 hours a day so I don't have time. Maybe you should ask the manager of your team to fix that for you. 
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On April 09 2012 16:31 YaTa wrote:
certainly as a full time college student, i play about 10-15 games each day. however, you can still improve if you do what i do which is watching personal and high level stream (their POV) on ladder or vod. if you think about their decision making and pay closely to build order and timing in particular, you will gain a better understanding of this game. when i started to play this game, i used to play 20-30 games during summer break. it is true that you have to mass games to improve gradually but keep in mind don't stress yourself and have fun importantly!
You only play 10-15 a day? Jesus Christ.
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On April 09 2012 18:53 HarryKlein wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 18:34 aTnClouD wrote:
Less than everybody think. European pros are lazy. We need to change this and teams need to hire coaches to check on players and give them a proper schedule and find practice partners. You are one of the few pro gamers in Europe. I think you are the only pro gamer from Italy. You are living the dream of many tl.net users I guess. If you want to have a coach etc. then go to korea and practice in a Team House. There you have a lot practice partners, a maid and a coach. Or you just stop being lazy and start realizing how gifted you actually are.
What the fuck? I would just like Europe and NA to be on the same level as Korea, what is wrong with it?
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Rather heavy weights and low reps instead of light weights many reps... ie make it count.
For me atleast its the quality of training that does it, im not gonna improve if i play 16 hours because ill be too tired and the games will blend togheter. I usually practice maybe 15-20 games a day, Not 2 much not 2 little. I think training is not just playing either, watch streams or thinking is good aswell. Brainstorming with likeminded friends is also great.
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I'm just wondering are there other players like Stephano who are really succesful without practicing that much?
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On April 09 2012 19:41 huehuehuehue wrote:
I'm just wondering are there other players like Stephano who are really succesful without practicing that much?
stephano practices more than most pros in europe
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On April 09 2012 19:45 aTnClouD wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 19:41 huehuehuehue wrote:
I'm just wondering are there other players like Stephano who are really succesful without practicing that much? stephano practices more than most pros in europe
Yeah I wonder where this idea that Stephano doesn't practice much comes from.
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On April 09 2012 19:48 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 19:45 aTnClouD wrote:On April 09 2012 19:41 huehuehuehue wrote:
I'm just wondering are there other players like Stephano who are really succesful without practicing that much? stephano practices more than most pros in europe Yeah I wonder where this idea that Stephano doesn't practice much comes from.
I believe he said that he only play 4-5 hours a day in some interview like last spring/summer while he was still in school and people still want to believe that he does so because 1. his success becomes more badass because he is foreigner and doesn't grind like koreans and 2. because if he can become so good by only playing 4 hours than there is hope that everyone can too! (-_-)
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[B]On April 09 2012 19:30 Gosi wrote:
Thats the thing with being a progamer, you give up so much when it comes to your future that you kinda have to win alot of money to at least have something when you stop with Starcraft. do you compete with grinding koreans practicing 10-12 hours a day in a teamhouse with coaches and housekeepers by playing 5 hours a day on EU and spend the rest of the day with your girlfriend etc? Thats a unrealistic picture to have, and you can tell me how much better your results have gotten (you didn't have results before and you have no major results now that can prove your way of practice) but in the end you will never be a champion with the big bucks because your way of thinking and practice doesn't suit Starcraft progaming. You are a really good player, but there are still loooooots of better players out there than you that practice so much more than you, and you will never catch up to them if you don't do the exact same (See: Brood War practice hours, MMA fighers that live and breath training, diet and the sport etc).
I do not think you wasted your life if you do not win money. It is not the best job (I want abetter one) but certainly not the worst. And you have relatively much free time.
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On April 09 2012 19:48 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 19:45 aTnClouD wrote:On April 09 2012 19:41 huehuehuehue wrote:
I'm just wondering are there other players like Stephano who are really succesful without practicing that much? stephano practices more than most pros in europe Yeah I wonder where this idea that Stephano doesn't practice much comes from.
Besides the time he was in the millenium house where he seemed to practice quite a bit, i think he averaged around 10 games/day, so his match history is where it's coming from.
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It's actually nice that some pros have posted in here, thanks for that guys.
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How much should pros practice? Enough so they can handle 22 games from 11am to midnight like Squirtle under tournament conditions against some of the best players in the world. That's how much a pro should train in the current environment.
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i assume alot pros also not play more 5 hours
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i think the non koreans who practice the most are sase and kas
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NesTea doesn't practice.
Said so on stage at IPL.
Why practice when the game plays itself?
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Wait... if Stephano practices more than most of the Europeans (and I assume North americans), then how much does the foreign community actually practice? When people said the foreigners couldn't keep up with the Koreans due to culture and infrastructure, I thought that was a reasonable argument. Now, it just seems they are incredibly lazy and used culture and infrastructure as an excuse.
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