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+ Show Spoiler +On June 06 2011 17:43 Drazerk wrote:
Ok yesterday i was quite busy and made my vote without explaining i read freeloaders post and it came to me as quite a large failure on his half although and bought into treadmills words who was pretty much slating him at this point for it who in turn im now suspecting after reading everything again
Ill follow this up later just wanted to post my thoughts at the moment
+ Show Spoiler +On June 07 2011 09:08 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 08:15 heist wrote:
An updated list after the massive amount of rookie votes:
Rookie: 5
Freeloader: 4
Treadmill: 2
Drazerk: 2
jimbooo:2
igrok: 2
monsterdrakar: 2
gtrsrs: 2
amazingxkcd: 1
Kurumi: 1
TheAwesomeAll: 1
Can the people who voted monsterDrakar and Drazerk explain themselves? Hell i can explain for them, Ive been lurking for the better part of this first day and i voted without saying anything When i got up this morning I did make a small post but nothing major bar changing my vote from freeloader to treadmill after reading all the posts and believing he was not scum With my erratic voting / posting pattern i would not be surprised if more people voted for me though and ill try to make amends tomorrow
+ Show Spoiler +On June 07 2011 10:01 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 09:35 Treadmill wrote:Another interesting point: Jackal58 makes his case against rookie44, it's pretty weak, the people posting aren't convinced. Nobody but him votes for rookie44. Then an hour later On June 07 2011 06:28 Kurumi wrote:
##unvote
##vote: Rookie44 On June 07 2011 06:29 Senj wrote:
##vote: Rookie44 On June 07 2011 06:31 amazingxkcd wrote:
##VOTE: Rookie44 Look at the time stamps, within 3 minutes of each other. And none of them posted for 2 hours previous to bandwagonning rookie. It looks liek co-ordination. Good catch by the looks of things every vote for Rookie has been within 5 mins of one another leading me to believe that this is very organised Because there are a lot of inexperienced players ( my self included ) band wagoning will occur more often allowing the scum to get easier Lynch kills in the earlier days until we either prove or disprove Jackel's Theory In my opinion Rookie is more inexperienced than Scum material
+ Show Spoiler +On June 07 2011 10:14 Drazerk wrote:
On June 07 2011 10:12 iGrok wrote:
EBOWP: Drazerk
sorry bro
Fully understand your suspiciousness towards me and it is my own fault and I really hope i don't damage the game because of my own carelessness
+ Show Spoiler +On June 07 2011 10:30 Drazerk wrote:
On June 07 2011 10:26 DeMorcerf wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 09:08 Drazerk wrote:On June 07 2011 08:15 heist wrote:
An updated list after the massive amount of rookie votes:
Rookie: 5
Freeloader: 4
Treadmill: 2
Drazerk: 2
jimbooo:2
igrok: 2
monsterdrakar: 2
gtrsrs: 2
amazingxkcd: 1
Kurumi: 1
TheAwesomeAll: 1
Can the people who voted monsterDrakar and Drazerk explain themselves? Hell i can explain for them, Ive been lurking for the better part of this first day and i voted without saying anything When i got up this morning I did make a small post but nothing major bar changing my vote from freeloader to treadmill after reading all the posts and believing he was not scum With my erratic voting / posting pattern i would not be surprised if more people voted for me though and ill try to make amends tomorrow I'm currently counting 10 votes for Rookie44, that was fast. Based on several of those being, "see you later, final votes," I think Rookie is as good as dead. I'll agree that most of his posts are very confusing to me with poor wording. Is he mafia, I don't know. Heist, however, I know iGrok and I had voted for Drazerk for the reason you can find here on page 26. In his relatively empty first 2 posts he mentions, I'm busy, I'll follow up later with deeper thoughts --Never happened; and "I'll try to make amends tomorrow", which I doubt very much either because tomorrow is the night cycle and he appears to be avoiding saying much and avoiding substance altogether. He has had more than enough time during Day 1 to post literally around 1000 times on other threads, but no real time to actually make any attempt to appear as a town or help us. No one else has explained why he isn't scummy, and I don't see how they could. Even he cannot deny that he was lurking, avoiding talking and attention, and a suspicious voter; if he tried to deny it, he'd appear even worse. That is why in spite of any suspicions on freeloader and Rookie, I'm sticking with my gut that whether or not those two are mafia, Drazerk certainly seems to reek of scum.
Posting 1000 times is very very easy when you live report all tournaments as for the deeper thoughts i didn't get in late by which point the thread had turned another direction making it pointless
+ Show Spoiler +[B]On June 07 2011 16:51 Drazerk wrote:
Wow we lost our medics
From what i can tell I highly doubt jackal is god farther in my opinion he just made a theory and people jumped on the band wagon / scum co ordination it's not his fault
While it's sad to see rookie gone he made a blunder that costed him
I have no real ideas on who is scum at this moment now
Alright, Drazerk has not posted that often so I think I can just quote all of his posts and not clutter too much.
I have mixed feelings about him, he defended rookie but only very slightly in one sentence, this could be thought of as pro town or a mafioso that knows the victim is town and tries to get town cred.
Also remarkable is that he quotes a lot and then not writes much himself, something that is a bit scummy (only repeating information, not bringing anything new)
And lastly, are you really from the UK Drazerk? I think misspelling father when you went to school there is a bit strange. Also start to use commas and periods.
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If you are a vet and took a hit claim it. Scum knows who they shot.
Pyo is too damn happy.
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On June 08 2011 14:18 Pyo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2011 13:54 Treadmill wrote:On June 08 2011 13:26 Pyo wrote:
Yay!!! I'm alive - wasn't expecting that. Too bad about GGQ, I guess they wanted to take out experienced town. The other hit has me surprised. I'll have to go through his posts and try to figure it out.
So they hit our vet? Or we have another medic who happened to protect the right person. I disagree with Treadmill. If you were medic saved or vet, DO NOT SAY ANYTHING!!!! Keep them guessing whether you are the vet or whether we have a third medic. Town doesn't need to know that information only mafia would want you to reveal yourself. Treadmill just outed himself as scum.
Bullshit. The mafia already know who the third target was. That person coming forward doesn't say anything about whether he was saved by being a vet or by a medic (in fact, its a good point, Pyo, to emphasize that whoever got shot shouldn't say anything on the matter). I just think town knowing what the mafia knows is a good thing. Yeah, you're definitely scum. Since you're scum, you aren't approaching it as townie would. If it was a vet that got hit, there's nothing to exploit. no strategies can be used. If it is a medic, then we're in luck and we have options available to us. But if mafia know that we have that medic, then they will go medic hunting. Now it is undoubtedly a good thing for the mafia to not know which one, as it will in the worst case scenario cost them another KP to learn which it is. However, if the person who survived the hit outs themselves, it can be figured out which it is based on their posting. As a townie knowing who survived the hit doesn't benefit us in anyway. Not until next night when the next round of DT checks go out. It's not like their analysis of posting becomes any more accurate or informed.
You are wrong, as others have already pointed out. "if the person who survived the hit outs themselves, it can be figured out which it is based on their posting."? How? Mafia already know who it is so they have all of this persons posts to figure his role out, if he makes a post saying "mafia tried to kill me last night", it tells them nothing, while we know their third target. And how does it not benefit us? It helps us as much as knowing who got killed, we get to know who the scum wants to see dead.
Trying to keep this secret is very, very scummy.
On a related note: I don't know if day/night posts can contain information like this, but couldn't the post about GGQs death mean they used two KPs on him?
+ Show Spoiler +On June 08 2011 13:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
GGQ was out walking around thinking about the failed lynch. He’d been around the block a few times and was trying to get his thoughts in order for the next day. Suddenly he heard a noise in the bushes, two black figures slipped out. GGQ immediately knew what came next, he’d seen the results many times before. “So this is how it ends?” He asked. His only response was the sinister click of hammers being pulled back. “Well” sighed GGQ laconically, “I’m glad I was thought dangerous enough to kill so early.” Two silenced bullets were his only reply.
I know that kind of contradicts the fist part of my post, but in this case Pyo could just be trying to hide the fact they only tried to kill two people.
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RIP GGQ.
On June 08 2011 13:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
GGQ was out walking around thinking about the failed lynch. He’d been around the block a few times and was trying to get his thoughts in order for the next day. Suddenly he heard a noise in the bushes, two black figures slipped out. GGQ immediately knew what came next, he’d seen the results many times before. “So this is how it ends?” He asked. His only response was the sinister click of hammers being pulled back. “Well” sighed GGQ laconically, “I’m glad I was thought dangerous enough to kill so early.” Two silenced bullets were his only reply.
Across town DeMorcerf was drinking at his favorite bar, it had been a long day and he was trying to drown out the thoughts of the failed lynch. Looking at the clock DeMorcerf realized it was getting late and decided to start back home. He got about four blocks from the bar when a black SUV with tinted windows drove up next to him. DeMorcerf sensed trouble and tried to throw himself into a culvert but he wasn’t quick enough. A quick burst of automatic fire sounded and DeMorcerf was left lying in a pool of his own blood.
GGQ the Townie has been killed
DeMorcerf the Townie has been killed
It is now day 2! You have 48 hours to vote on a lynch
Ok, since some of you haven't understood this clearly, let me explain the Day Post for you.
Mafia shot GGQ twice.
Someone (95% sure mafia) shot DeMorcerf.
How do I know GGQ was shot twice?
2 bullets, 2 figures. 2 people working together. So its not a scum/vigi stack.
Assuming no Vigis shot last night, all KP is accounted for.
GGQ's last post was that I am the godfather. He had several points, which I'll address now:
On June 08 2011 13:03 GGQ wrote:
The point was to lead you to Kurumi and iGrok above everyone else. Kurumi attacks lafali for his bandwagon vote bringing nothing new to the table on freeloader. There was absolutely no reason for him to throw scum on lafali so early in the game if he's mafia. Plus his aggressiveness and balls-out attitude are more inline with a green than anything else. Kurumi is most likely town.
iGrok defends lafali as probably newb town. He's the only one who defends lafali straight out, but Vain, aprudds, monsterDrakar, and Senj also soft-defend him. I'm not saying they are all scum, but it's a great place to look for scum (dts take note! vigis save your shots). At this point in time I think iGrok is almost certainly the godfather of the mafia team (it could be jackal as well but his behavior doesn't fit the role as well, and seems more in line with the town play I've seen from him). iGrok defends lafali after Kurumi calls him out and votes for him, while before this accusation he posted that everyone who had voted so far ( which included lafali) should be under suspicion. Contradiction. iGrok has also been working to get into a town-leadership and thread-presence position all game, something the godfather always tries to do. iGrok also got way too defensive after being attacked and accused.
First of all, come on GGQ, you know citations are needed. But I won't argue that I defended Lafali as a likely newb town. Here's why: of all the people who jumped early, Lafali is the only one who responded to my efforts to calm down the town by withdrawing his vote. To me, that signified that at least he was paying attention and listening to reason. I never said he shouldn't be under suspicion, in fact, I agreed with DeMorcerf here that Lafali was rather suspicious.
I have been working to get town leadership. Guilty. In a game with high numbers of newbies, I expected that Vets would be picked off early, and as the least threatening Vet, I figured I could either draw fire (saving GGQ or Jackal for at least a day) , or I would be in a position to hold us together. You know, kind of like I did at the beginning. In too many games, Town loses because of out-of-control paranoia. Rational Thinking is good, fear-mongering and tunneling are not.
Speaking of Tunneling:
Lets talk about who has been tunneling this game.
gtrsrs, Pyo, and Kurumi have been tunneling me all game long.
The relationships between us are convoluted. Here's basically how its gone, with citations:
Kurumi started off the game with the most ridiculous, paranoid, attack-everyone-who-speaks attitude that I have ever seen in a mafia game. I tell him to chill out and start thinking rather than cause chaos (if anyone here remembers the Coagulation fiasco you'll understand why). Pyo says Kurumi is probably town and was lynched before for being crazy, so don't worry about him. However, Pyo votes Kurumi. Pyo asks Kurumi about experience, Kurumi includes himself and gtrsrs. Later, gtrsrs defends Kurumi, says Jackal is a good player, and votes me. His reason for voting? My haikus and "i'm going to vote for you because i don't want to jump on the freeloader bandwagon". What great reasoning. As a side note, gtrsrs what WAS your reason then? Anyways, things kind of chill out until my Kurumi Analysis. I was of the opinion that Kurumi was scum. Then, gtrsrs accuses me of Blue-hunting, encourages voting me with TERRIBLE reasoning, and supports Kurumi. We go at it. Then, Pyo switches sides. Pyo uses similar reasoning as gtrsrs to call me scum. Btw, Rookie44 posted this laying things out reasonably well imo. Also, DeMorcerf didn't just defend me. He actively argued against gtrsrs. Moving forward, Kurumi thanks me and gtrsrs. Then, he defends us both! Apparently, gtrsrs doesn't appreciate Kurumi's actions, and tries to misrepresent me. Much later, Pyo calls me scummy for asking Jackal to analyze me. And thats pretty much the end of Day 1.
Just look at how crazy this is. Relationships that are obvious: Kurumi and gtrsrs have a very strong relationship. Pyo and myself do not have a strong relationship, as you can see when he switches. No decent evidence has been brought against me by any of these players. GGQ's case against me is much more serious, but I feel like i've defended against that well enough.
People who voted Rookie "for the sake of voting":
Vain
Kairo
Alderan
Senj
tdAdonis (no posts....)
Also, Treadmill outed Rookie as a Blue. Who voted for Rookie after that post?
I know that Kurumi, gtrsrs, and maybe Pyo are going to attack me for this post. So to clarify my position on each of them at the moment, and make sure theres no room to be misrepresnted:
I believe that gtrsrs is scum.
I believe that Kurumi should be DT checked. He may already have been.
I beleive that Pyo is Town.
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On a totally separate note, Kurumi picked out some good targets here. Theres a relationship between Lafali, Drazerk (who I've been suspicious of) and Jimbooo (who a lot of people are suspicious of).
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iGrok, I've been suspicious of you since the very beginning. I think the smartest thing you could have done this round was say you took the shot. As stated only the mafia knows who was hit thus you could have played it off that you took the shot.
But instead you clearly reason that all KPs were taken by the 2 people we know about.
This stands to reason they stacked KP on GGQ because we could have a medic who COULD have saved him. But why in the world would they waste their 3rd shot on some random guy who's posts have had little effect (in my opinion) while you were standing there?
Clearly killing GGQ is a great idea because he was a strong presence for townies and was intelligent.
iGroks got my vote for today.
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On June 08 2011 20:59 Sprungjeezy wrote:
iGrok, I've been suspicious of you since the very beginning. I think the smartest thing you could have done this round was say you took the shot. As stated only the mafia knows who was hit thus you could have played it off that you took the shot.
Uhh.... what?
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On June 08 2011 21:05 iGrok wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2011 20:59 Sprungjeezy wrote:
iGrok, I've been suspicious of you since the very beginning. I think the smartest thing you could have done this round was say you took the shot. As stated only the mafia knows who was hit thus you could have played it off that you took the shot. Uhh.... what?
Uhhh... read the whole post? You seem pretty intelligent, but I will explain further than I thought necessary.
If you said you had an attempt made on yourself. This would make it more clear that the mafia have been spreading shots on the more influential players. While as scum you would know this to be a silly lie, but townie would have nothing to do but believe it (especially if the case was that you stacked to kill GGQ).
But I am very glad you didn't make this claim. It makes things a lot easier.
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If I took a shot, wouldn't I be dead?
Or are you saying I should claim being protected by a medic?
Either way, you're suggesting that I should have lied - thats why I'm confused.
The rest of your post is: 'iGrok said probably all KP is accounted for', 'Killing GGQ was good for scum'. and 'OMG WIFOM'.
ergo you vote me?
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iGrok, how do you not get the logic?
You are SCUM Mafia killed GGQ because he was a skilled player. They then ignore you. Why would they do that? You've been very influential this game, a clear scum threat. Why would they ignore you?
This is why I said the best move you could have done (especially with GGQ's final post) was to say you took the extra shot.
I apologize if me stating that. I guess it confused you.
But that doesn't matter.
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Ok, sorry, my analysis of Vain was incomplete. He later justifies his vote for rookie44 here:
On June 07 2011 08:28 Vain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 08:23 Impervious wrote:Alright, I'm back, and I've read the last ~10 pages to try to get myself up to date. I've probably missed something, but I think I have a good idea on what's going on so far. On June 07 2011 04:16 Jackal58 wrote:
Impervious???? Bah. Obviouscum. I'll be keeping an eye on you. Scum. Btw - GREEN AND YELLOW!!!!! Ok, now, from what I've seen, I think Jackal's plan is best. I've seen a bunch of "newbie" posts, but that one seriously hinted at finding blues, as well as finding flaws in previously used investigative strategies. While it may be a "newbie" type post, it also answers a question I ask myself whenever I'm looking at someone - Are they acting in the best interest of the town? My gut feeling is "no", even though he has so few posts. And, rather than pick on lurkers for the sake of picking on lurkers (since they'll likely be modkilled at some point), I think our best move at the moment is to lynch rookie44. Ok, i guess you're right. His posts didn't really contribute and now with the knowledge of that there is a thread for mafia alone freeloader isn't really a viable option too. So with that my vote will also be on Rookie for the sake of voting. 4 hours remaining but i'm going to bed so my vote is final. Goodnight
What is this? If anything, this is the softest justification I have heard yet about voting for rookie. One minute (see my earlier post) he does a post-by-post analysis of rookie and concludes that rookie "doesn't ring his scum bell" and the next, he decides to lynch rookie on the basis that "he doesn't contribute". There were a couple of other candidates who had a significant body of evidence against them (Jimbooo, Drazerk, amazingxkcd as well) and yet Vain votes for rookie on the basis that rookie doesn't contribute and that freeloader isn't a viable option.
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On June 08 2011 21:24 Sprungjeezy wrote:
iGrok, how do you not get the logic?
You are SCUM Mafia killed GGQ because he was a skilled player. They then ignore you. Why would they do that? You've been very influential this game, a clear scum threat. Why would they ignore you?
This is why I said the best move you could have done (especially with GGQ's final post) was to say you took the extra shot.
I apologize if me stating that. I guess it confused you.
But that doesn't matter.
I'm pointing out that its not logic, its WIFOM.
They could have left me alive for several reasons, including some of the very same reasons why people are saying I'm scum and killed DeMorcerf.
Its not that I don't understand your post, its that it really is pretty useless except to say that you've chosen which glass to drink from.
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On June 08 2011 21:24 Sprungjeezy wrote:
iGrok, how do you not get the logic?
You are SCUM Mafia killed GGQ because he was a skilled player. They then ignore you. Why would they do that? You've been very influential this game, a clear scum threat. Why would they ignore you?
This is why I said the best move you could have done (especially with GGQ's final post) was to say you took the extra shot.
I apologize if me stating that. I guess it confused you.
But that doesn't matter.
Lols. I'm not defending iGrok. I have no idea if he's scum or not. But to FoS him on the basis of "why are you still alive" is pointless. It is also pointless to FoS him based on the fact that he didn't claim vet. It's called WIFOM.
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EBWOP: Odds are, mafia figured I'd get lynched soon anyways.
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/TwaQC.jpg) it's day 2
we get a lynch
and I think we've got an obvious target
amazingxkcd
A few others and I already suspected amazingxkcd of being mafia yesterday. The case certainly wasn't perfect, but there was enough for six of us to vote for him and a number of others to be suspicious.
And so I took the time today and went and had a look. That's right, it's analysis time. Here's what I found, with all 31 of xkcd's posts:
POST NUMBER ONE
On June 06 2011 02:56 amazingxkcd wrote:
It is quite clear that it can be seen who are the main talkers for both side. The only question is now how to distinguish between the two sides and how to act upon it
The first thing to notice is that xkcd isn't naming names. Instead he begins with the more vague "It is quite clear". A number of themes emerge from reading xkcd's posts and the first is that he is very wishy-washy. He avoids naming other players quite a bit and also avoids directly giving an opinion on the action.
This post simply doesn't say anything. "The only question" that he gives is basically a restatement of the premise of the game.
+ Show Spoiler +As a short aside, as Alderan pointed out this first post comes just after TheAwesomeAll posts a list of inactives. Alderan thought this was fairly important, but I'd tend to disagree - a townie would want to avoid being modkilled as much as scum would. I don't count this as evidence for or against xkcd.
POST NUMBER TWO
On June 06 2011 03:38 amazingxkcd wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 03:21 Alderan wrote:On June 06 2011 02:56 amazingxkcd wrote:
It is quite clear that it can be seen who are the main talkers for both side. The only question is now how to distinguish between the two sides and how to act upon it It is posts like this (especially for your first post) that we are trying to avoid. All you did in this post was state the premise of the game, and make a likely incorrect assumption that there are mafia among the "main talkers" this early in the game. Very very scummy post. interesting first post there, all ready trying to set up accustation upon me for supposedly making a scummy post when in reality i am only simply making observation. You already got into my list of suspicious people by derailing a innocent first post when we still have around 30+ hours left to figure out each other.
Alderan very quickly calls out xkcd for making a useless post. xkcd responds with... another useless post. Once again xkcd doesn't comment on any of the happenings in th thread, he doesn't engage with any of the other conversations that having been started. Instead he immediately gets defensive about Alderan's fairly benign accusation. Here we see the beginnings of another theme for xkcd - ignoring the content of other peoples accusations, and "straw-mannning" their arguments. This becomes more clearly a theme later.
I also want to point out the phrasing "interesting first post". You see, I have friends in community theatre. I have to go see their shows. Sometimes they suck. When they do, and I'm asked what I think, I say "interesting". Its a delightfully wishy-washy word. Perfect, in this instance, for calling somebody scummy without actually calling them scummy. Not in the least damning, but it fits the theme.
POST NUMBER THREE
On June 06 2011 04:16 amazingxkcd wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 04:12 grush57 wrote:
Im not inactive, I just dont feel like anybody can accuse this early. But why did you vote for someone already? You provide no evidence, no stance, and your first post is stating something that can be interpreted as quite misleading.
Post number three and xkcd still hasn't given an opinion on anything. He makes a fairly obvious comment on grush57 and never revisits it.
POST NUMBER FOUR
On June 06 2011 04:28 amazingxkcd wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 04:22 rookie44 wrote:
Hey guys,
This is all getting a bit out of hand, we seem to already be getting in each others faces over perceived (and real) sleights. I have only played mafia on battle.net, and this is going to be quite a different game to that.
What i believe is the crucial difference is that we have large amounts of time for discussion. This also gives us the time to create a solid plan for using whatever roles we have effectively (it would seem that way).
Maybe some of the more experienced players could expand on what investigative stratagies they have used; their pitfalls, and how we may evade those pitfalls.
Perhaps an added benifit will be that it will be very tricky for a mafia to come up with a generalized stratagy that is grounded in reason, so maybe there will be some suspiciously quiet people. (I assume it will be difficult for a generalized stratagy becasue i can only see the mafia being able to take advantage of a specific stratagy by getting their peolpe in the right places).
Please refer to these guides on playing TL mafia. For town: aidnai, GMarshalFor mafia: bumatlarge, chaos13 LSB's Newbie GuideMafiascum Newbie GuideIntroduction to Mafia (Flash)Ver's town guideAce's Mafia ManifestoQatol's Town Guide
Hey look! xkcd read the OP! Fourth post, and still nothing of substance. The only point to make here is that xkcd is apparently following the thread reasonably well, enough to provide a somewhat useful response to [blue]rookie44[blue]'s question.
POST NUMBER FIVE
On June 06 2011 22:52 amazingxkcd wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 21:57 iGrok wrote:
Hey Jackal, good to see you again. Mind going over my Kurumi analysis? As his post concerning kurumi 's behavior had helped, i am concerned with this statement. iGrok has listed a couple of seasoned players whom he reconizes for their experiences, but here he is already jumping to the conclusion that he had no reason to suspect them, especially jackal whom only made a post spectulating. It seems to be that iGrok is quite convinced that kurumi is a scum as he already asked for a dt check rather than trust the dts to make the right decisions. About jackal, i do not know much about him as he has not stated a lot yet, but iGrok is showing us that he is in league with jackal as from the podt above. As of now, i do not want to label iGrok as scum, and i'd rather wait until later to see what jackal says and how the game flows, but iGrok is still suspicious. If iGrok is convicted as scum, then that puts pressure on jackal to respond.
We've reached his fifth post, and at last xkcd has given his opinion on something.... sort of. Well, he seems to be saying that iGrok and Jackal are somehow in league with one another. And are scum. Because if they were both mafia, iGrok would obviously ask for Jackal's opinion... in the thread. Its not exactly great thinking.
He's still incredibly wishy-washy about it. Also, for the most part his post still doesn't really say anything - the second paragraph is entirely without content, and his fourth casting aspersions without making accusations. Again there is that odd wording - "iGrok is still suspicious" rather than the more direct "I am suspicious of iGrok".
POST NUMBER SIX
On June 07 2011 00:15 amazingxkcd wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 10:47 Alderan wrote:Here's a list of a couple people who seem to be acting a little scummy. (Not saying for sure scum, just people that might not be) Lets get some meaningful conversation going. AmazingxkcdI've already kind of voiced this opinion but I'm going to expound upon my earlier analysis. Let's look at his posts.
It is quite clear that it can be seen who are the main talkers for both side. The only question is now how to distinguish between the two sides and how to act upon it
This post, obviously vague, of little help to the town, and posted directly after he appeared on TheAwesomeAll's “Lurker List”. When I pointed out this was a fishy post he responded with this:
interesting first post there, all ready trying to set up accustation upon me for supposedly making a scummy post when in reality i am only simply making observation. You already got into my list of suspicious people by derailing a innocent first post when we still have around 30+ hours left to figure out each other.
Obviously immediately went on the defensive, turned and pointed a finger at me, and suggest that the town take its time “figuring each other out” instead of having discussion that is inherently pro-town. In fact his only “contribution” to town discussion was this post:
Please refer to these guides on playing TL mafia.
For town: aidnai, GMarshal
For mafia: bumatlarge, chaos13
LSB's Newbie Guide
Mafiascum Newbie Guide
Introduction to Mafia (Flash)
Ver's town guide
Ace's Mafia Manifesto
Qatol's Town Guide
So his only contribution to the town is copying and pasting something that is in the third post of this thread? Interesting. Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 23:10 Alderan wrote:
Also, I'm going to ahead and voting for amazingxkcd, just in case something happens to me at work today and I won't be able to get a vote in.
@ amazingkcd, I'm really just waiting on you to refute the analysis I did earlier.
You are discriminating against me and you just voted for me right now just off the basis of my first post, which i made after i finished watching MLG. You do not provide evidence that i am a scum nor do you back it up should you have given any evidence. It seems that you want me to be lynched when i am trying to win for the town. @iGrok and @Jackal58; I can't analyze Kurumi either, since i take that he's acting as if he has multiple personalities disorder. He should be watched for sure. Also, @Jackal58, you stated that he had the same behavior in the previous games you played with him, what were his roles? That should at least help to give us a direction on him. I am not trying to label you two as complete scum, but i was just concerned about iGrok's request for help from Jackal58. About freeloader, I am currently leaning towards the scummy side as for the reasons others have put up front already, but i need more time to see if i do want to lynch him. There are others here who seem suspicious based on their posts and the tone of their post, but i am not ready right now to make a final desicion.
I really love the line
You do not provide evidence that i am a scum nor do you back it up should you have given any evidence
"You don't have any proof... and even if you had proof your proof isn't any good!"
It's kinda lol.
In fact the wording of his defence (the first paragraph) is very strange. "You are discriminating against me". Yes, Alderan is racist against amazing people. Or something. Also I wonder why he felt the need to add "i am trying to win for the town" at the end. All in all he gets very defensive here, without really having anything to say in his defence.
In the rest of this post he finally responds to some of the other discussions that are happening in the thread. By which I mean he finds a fancy way of saying that he doesn;t have an opinion on anything. He says that freeloader is "leaning towards the scummy side". And calls others "suspicious based on their posts and the tone of their post" but doesn't give any names (as in his first post).
Then we come to Kurumi (or, perhaps, Kurumi). xkcd has an interesting relationship with Kurumi. There'll be more detail on that down the line - for now, xkcd mentions specifically that Kurumi is difficult to analyze, and is acting kinda crazy.
There are two other sentences that stand out, "I can't analyze Kurumi either" - didn't iGrok just do a massive piece of analysis on Kurumi and come out leaning scum? Also, "I am not trying to label you two as complete scum" - are there degrees of scum?
POST NUMBER SEVEN
On June 07 2011 00:20 amazingxkcd wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 00:17 Xedat wrote:
Kursiv are the guys that voted but then unvoted and have not voted again.
Non voters:
1. Munk-E
2. blackone
4. amazingxkcd
11. Jimbooo
13. Lafali
16. Heist
20. TheAwesomeAll
24. grush57
25. Date_Reaper
26. CjrNinja
28. Senj
29. DeMorcerf
30. Vain
32. Jackal58
33. Clicker
37. iGrok
38. tdAdonis
39. aprudds
40. GGQ
Are you trying to say that this list are people who attempted to vote yet, cause the wording of your statement is quite ambiguous. I will vote when i have determined who is the most likely candidate, but i have never voted yet from what i have understood your post as.
A post that again says nothing.
POST NUMBER EIGHT
On June 07 2011 00:21 amazingxkcd wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 00:19 Jackal58 wrote:On June 07 2011 00:15 amazingxkcd wrote:On June 06 2011 10:47 Alderan wrote:Here's a list of a couple people who seem to be acting a little scummy. (Not saying for sure scum, just people that might not be) Lets get some meaningful conversation going. AmazingxkcdI've already kind of voiced this opinion but I'm going to expound upon my earlier analysis. Let's look at his posts.
It is quite clear that it can be seen who are the main talkers for both side. The only question is now how to distinguish between the two sides and how to act upon it
This post, obviously vague, of little help to the town, and posted directly after he appeared on TheAwesomeAll's “Lurker List”. When I pointed out this was a fishy post he responded with this:
interesting first post there, all ready trying to set up accustation upon me for supposedly making a scummy post when in reality i am only simply making observation. You already got into my list of suspicious people by derailing a innocent first post when we still have around 30+ hours left to figure out each other.
Obviously immediately went on the defensive, turned and pointed a finger at me, and suggest that the town take its time “figuring each other out” instead of having discussion that is inherently pro-town. In fact his only “contribution” to town discussion was this post:
Please refer to these guides on playing TL mafia.
For town: aidnai, GMarshal
For mafia: bumatlarge, chaos13
LSB's Newbie Guide
Mafiascum Newbie Guide
Introduction to Mafia (Flash)
Ver's town guide
Ace's Mafia Manifesto
Qatol's Town Guide
So his only contribution to the town is copying and pasting something that is in the third post of this thread? Interesting. On June 06 2011 23:10 Alderan wrote:
Also, I'm going to ahead and voting for amazingxkcd, just in case something happens to me at work today and I won't be able to get a vote in.
@ amazingkcd, I'm really just waiting on you to refute the analysis I did earlier.
You are discriminating against me and you just voted for me right now just off the basis of my first post, which i made after i finished watching MLG. You do not provide evidence that i am a scum nor do you back it up should you have given any evidence. It seems that you want me to be lynched when i am trying to win for the town. @iGrok and @Jackal58; I can't analyze Kurumi either, since i take that he's acting as if he has multiple personalities disorder. He should be watched for sure. Also, @Jackal58, you stated that he had the same behavior in the previous games you played with him, what were his roles? That should at least help to give us a direction on him. I am not trying to label you two as complete scum, but i was just concerned about iGrok's request for help from Jackal58. About freeloader, I am currently leaning towards the scummy side as for the reasons others have put up front already, but i need more time to see if i do want to lynch him. There are others here who seem suspicious based on their posts and the tone of their post, but i am not ready right now to make a final desicion. Kurumi was town in XXXIX. Lynched day one for posting nonsensically for the first half of the day. He has improved significantly from that game believe it or not. He is also still playing in PTP mafia and is a self proclaimed SK. Thank you for your clarification.
Another contentless post. A more notable lack of content, actually - xkcd specifcally asked what Kurumi's role had been to help town figure Kurumi out. He finds the answer to his question.... and draws no inferences from it. Considers the consequences not one bit. So why was he asking?
POST NUMBER NINE
On June 07 2011 03:06 amazingxkcd wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 02:53 iGrok wrote:On June 07 2011 02:43 Vain wrote:On June 07 2011 02:31 iGrok wrote:On June 07 2011 02:11 Vain wrote:
Ok, i finally finished reading. Man, sleeping is bad for keeping up with a mafia game.
First off: Kurumi is probably town if he also spammed this much in a previous game where he was scum. I don't know his style very good but he is drawing way too much attention to be a comfortable mafia.
I don't quite understand this. So Kurumi is probably town because he's acting the same way he did when he was mafia before? Euh, i meant town. Jackal stated that when he was town he's just as hard to analyze. Iirc he was not scum the other games Jackal played with him. + Show Spoiler +On June 07 2011 00:19 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 00:15 amazingxkcd wrote:On June 06 2011 10:47 Alderan wrote:Here's a list of a couple people who seem to be acting a little scummy. (Not saying for sure scum, just people that might not be) Lets get some meaningful conversation going. AmazingxkcdI've already kind of voiced this opinion but I'm going to expound upon my earlier analysis. Let's look at his posts.
It is quite clear that it can be seen who are the main talkers for both side. The only question is now how to distinguish between the two sides and how to act upon it
This post, obviously vague, of little help to the town, and posted directly after he appeared on TheAwesomeAll's “Lurker List”. When I pointed out this was a fishy post he responded with this:
interesting first post there, all ready trying to set up accustation upon me for supposedly making a scummy post when in reality i am only simply making observation. You already got into my list of suspicious people by derailing a innocent first post when we still have around 30+ hours left to figure out each other.
Obviously immediately went on the defensive, turned and pointed a finger at me, and suggest that the town take its time “figuring each other out” instead of having discussion that is inherently pro-town. In fact his only “contribution” to town discussion was this post:
Please refer to these guides on playing TL mafia.
For town: aidnai, GMarshal
For mafia: bumatlarge, chaos13
LSB's Newbie Guide
Mafiascum Newbie Guide
Introduction to Mafia (Flash)
Ver's town guide
Ace's Mafia Manifesto
Qatol's Town Guide
So his only contribution to the town is copying and pasting something that is in the third post of this thread? Interesting. On June 06 2011 23:10 Alderan wrote:
Also, I'm going to ahead and voting for amazingxkcd, just in case something happens to me at work today and I won't be able to get a vote in.
@ amazingkcd, I'm really just waiting on you to refute the analysis I did earlier.
You are discriminating against me and you just voted for me right now just off the basis of my first post, which i made after i finished watching MLG. You do not provide evidence that i am a scum nor do you back it up should you have given any evidence. It seems that you want me to be lynched when i am trying to win for the town. @iGrok and @Jackal58; I can't analyze Kurumi either, since i take that he's acting as if he has multiple personalities disorder. He should be watched for sure. Also, @Jackal58, you stated that he had the same behavior in the previous games you played with him, what were his roles? That should at least help to give us a direction on him. I am not trying to label you two as complete scum, but i was just concerned about iGrok's request for help from Jackal58. About freeloader, I am currently leaning towards the scummy side as for the reasons others have put up front already, but i need more time to see if i do want to lynch him. There are others here who seem suspicious based on their posts and the tone of their post, but i am not ready right now to make a final desicion. Kurumi was town in XXXIX. Lynched day one for posting nonsensically for the first half of the day. He has improved significantly from that game believe it or not. He is also still playing in PTP mafia and is a self proclaimed SK. Ok, yeah that makes a lot more sense. Yeah, I'm starting to see how Kurumi could be a townie, but I could also see him as a scum who felt the pressure and is trying to change his tune. I still don't thing he should be lynched today. I'm trying to think of who should be, but I really don't know :/ Think of this as so: Kurumi asked for a DT check on himself, so he knows that he is going to be clean from the rolecheck. This means two things 1. He is a townie and his behavior is just the same as the one that jackal's game with him was or 2. He is the godfather and he's trying to mindfuck us since gf comes clean through DT check. You are right that his behavior cannot be analyzed at all, but why is he so adament that we check him? Could it be that he wants us to forget about him when his check comes clean and then he is free to do whatever he wants? Remember, he has mislead many people with his ramblings, so judge wisely.
We're back to the saga of xkcd and Kurumi. First off is the instant inference that "he knows that he is going to be clean from the rolecheck". Now, iGrok had just made a big, long post calling for a DT on Kurumi. Kurumi turns around and welcomes it. xkcd's two points are two possible cases, or
3. Kurumi is scum, panicking, and hoping that people will only consider case 1 and case 2. Or is relying on how unreliable DT checks are (miller, godfather framer, and besides how do we know who the bloody DTs are anyways).
A case that xkcd misses out on, intentionally or unintentionally. This'll matter later, kids.
He also brings up this notion that "his behavior cannot be analyzed at all" which is antithetical to the game. Kurumi may be difficult to analyze but not impossible.
Minor quibbles, true, but what does he really say? To paraphrase: "Kurumi my be mafia or he may be town, there's no way to tell". Which is a great way of saying nothing.
His sign-off is interesting though.
so judge wisely.
xkcd's learned a new trick! One that he uses extensively in posts to come. Judge wisely! xkcd sure as hell isn't gonna have an opinion, those are hard! It's all up to you guys! From here on xkcd starts explicitly putting the onus on making decisions on everyone else, and not himself.
POST NUMBER TEN
On June 07 2011 03:23 amazingxkcd wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 03:08 iGrok wrote:On June 07 2011 02:56 Alderan wrote:On June 07 2011 02:53 iGrok wrote:On June 07 2011 02:43 Vain wrote:On June 07 2011 02:31 iGrok wrote:On June 07 2011 02:11 Vain wrote:
Ok, i finally finished reading. Man, sleeping is bad for keeping up with a mafia game.
First off: Kurumi is probably town if he also spammed this much in a previous game where he was scum. I don't know his style very good but he is drawing way too much attention to be a comfortable mafia.
I don't quite understand this. So Kurumi is probably town because he's acting the same way he did when he was mafia before? Euh, i meant town. Jackal stated that when he was town he's just as hard to analyze. Iirc he was not scum the other games Jackal played with him. + Show Spoiler +On June 07 2011 00:19 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 00:15 amazingxkcd wrote:On June 06 2011 10:47 Alderan wrote:Here's a list of a couple people who seem to be acting a little scummy. (Not saying for sure scum, just people that might not be) Lets get some meaningful conversation going. AmazingxkcdI've already kind of voiced this opinion but I'm going to expound upon my earlier analysis. Let's look at his posts.
It is quite clear that it can be seen who are the main talkers for both side. The only question is now how to distinguish between the two sides and how to act upon it
This post, obviously vague, of little help to the town, and posted directly after he appeared on TheAwesomeAll's “Lurker List”. When I pointed out this was a fishy post he responded with this:
interesting first post there, all ready trying to set up accustation upon me for supposedly making a scummy post when in reality i am only simply making observation. You already got into my list of suspicious people by derailing a innocent first post when we still have around 30+ hours left to figure out each other.
Obviously immediately went on the defensive, turned and pointed a finger at me, and suggest that the town take its time “figuring each other out” instead of having discussion that is inherently pro-town. In fact his only “contribution” to town discussion was this post:
Please refer to these guides on playing TL mafia.
For town: aidnai, GMarshal
For mafia: bumatlarge, chaos13
LSB's Newbie Guide
Mafiascum Newbie Guide
Introduction to Mafia (Flash)
Ver's town guide
Ace's Mafia Manifesto
Qatol's Town Guide
So his only contribution to the town is copying and pasting something that is in the third post of this thread? Interesting. On June 06 2011 23:10 Alderan wrote:
Also, I'm going to ahead and voting for amazingxkcd, just in case something happens to me at work today and I won't be able to get a vote in.
@ amazingkcd, I'm really just waiting on you to refute the analysis I did earlier.
You are discriminating against me and you just voted for me right now just off the basis of my first post, which i made after i finished watching MLG. You do not provide evidence that i am a scum nor do you back it up should you have given any evidence. It seems that you want me to be lynched when i am trying to win for the town. @iGrok and @Jackal58; I can't analyze Kurumi either, since i take that he's acting as if he has multiple personalities disorder. He should be watched for sure. Also, @Jackal58, you stated that he had the same behavior in the previous games you played with him, what were his roles? That should at least help to give us a direction on him. I am not trying to label you two as complete scum, but i was just concerned about iGrok's request for help from Jackal58. About freeloader, I am currently leaning towards the scummy side as for the reasons others have put up front already, but i need more time to see if i do want to lynch him. There are others here who seem suspicious based on their posts and the tone of their post, but i am not ready right now to make a final desicion. Kurumi was town in XXXIX. Lynched day one for posting nonsensically for the first half of the day. He has improved significantly from that game believe it or not. He is also still playing in PTP mafia and is a self proclaimed SK. Ok, yeah that makes a lot more sense. Yeah, I'm starting to see how Kurumi could be a townie, but I could also see him as a scum who felt the pressure and is trying to change his tune. I still don't thing he should be lynched today. I'm trying to think of who should be, but I really don't know :/ But you agree that it shouldn't be freeloader? Yeah. Here's my "Don't Lynch" list (in no particular order): Me ^^ Jackal58 Vain GGQ Kurumi Treadmill 35spike1 CrJninja Xedat aprudds Actually, looking back, I'm going to put my vote on Drazerk, for twice voting without saying shit. (He might've posted once or twice, but absolutely no substance, only bandwagonning). It is intrresting that you list everyone who did not accuse you yet. Explain in great detail your case for each one in your list.
Once again we see the wishy-washy "it is intrresting" [sic]. Once again xkcd doesn't give his own opinion on something. And once again he puts the onus for analysis on others - this time pushing iGrok to "explain in great detail" why he thinks certain people are innocent. Had iGrok followed his instructions he would've wasted a lot of time and the thread's attention addressing an unimportant question. It doesn't matter who's town, the focus should be who's mafia.
POST NUMBER ELEVEN
On June 07 2011 03:42 amazingxkcd wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 03:27 iGrok wrote:On June 07 2011 03:23 amazingxkcd wrote:On June 07 2011 03:08 iGrok wrote:On June 07 2011 02:56 Alderan wrote:On June 07 2011 02:53 iGrok wrote:On June 07 2011 02:43 Vain wrote:On June 07 2011 02:31 iGrok wrote:On June 07 2011 02:11 Vain wrote:
Ok, i finally finished reading. Man, sleeping is bad for keeping up with a mafia game.
First off: Kurumi is probably town if he also spammed this much in a previous game where he was scum. I don't know his style very good but he is drawing way too much attention to be a comfortable mafia.
I don't quite understand this. So Kurumi is probably town because he's acting the same way he did when he was mafia before? Euh, i meant town. Jackal stated that when he was town he's just as hard to analyze. Iirc he was not scum the other games Jackal played with him. + Show Spoiler +On June 07 2011 00:19 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 00:15 amazingxkcd wrote:On June 06 2011 10:47 Alderan wrote:Here's a list of a couple people who seem to be acting a little scummy. (Not saying for sure scum, just people that might not be) Lets get some meaningful conversation going. AmazingxkcdI've already kind of voiced this opinion but I'm going to expound upon my earlier analysis. Let's look at his posts.
It is quite clear that it can be seen who are the main talkers for both side. The only question is now how to distinguish between the two sides and how to act upon it
This post, obviously vague, of little help to the town, and posted directly after he appeared on TheAwesomeAll's “Lurker List”. When I pointed out this was a fishy post he responded with this:
interesting first post there, all ready trying to set up accustation upon me for supposedly making a scummy post when in reality i am only simply making observation. You already got into my list of suspicious people by derailing a innocent first post when we still have around 30+ hours left to figure out each other.
Obviously immediately went on the defensive, turned and pointed a finger at me, and suggest that the town take its time “figuring each other out” instead of having discussion that is inherently pro-town. In fact his only “contribution” to town discussion was this post:
Please refer to these guides on playing TL mafia.
For town: aidnai, GMarshal
For mafia: bumatlarge, chaos13
LSB's Newbie Guide
Mafiascum Newbie Guide
Introduction to Mafia (Flash)
Ver's town guide
Ace's Mafia Manifesto
Qatol's Town Guide
So his only contribution to the town is copying and pasting something that is in the third post of this thread? Interesting. On June 06 2011 23:10 Alderan wrote:
Also, I'm going to ahead and voting for amazingxkcd, just in case something happens to me at work today and I won't be able to get a vote in.
@ amazingkcd, I'm really just waiting on you to refute the analysis I did earlier.
You are discriminating against me and you just voted for me right now just off the basis of my first post, which i made after i finished watching MLG. You do not provide evidence that i am a scum nor do you back it up should you have given any evidence. It seems that you want me to be lynched when i am trying to win for the town. @iGrok and @Jackal58; I can't analyze Kurumi either, since i take that he's acting as if he has multiple personalities disorder. He should be watched for sure. Also, @Jackal58, you stated that he had the same behavior in the previous games you played with him, what were his roles? That should at least help to give us a direction on him. I am not trying to label you two as complete scum, but i was just concerned about iGrok's request for help from Jackal58. About freeloader, I am currently leaning towards the scummy side as for the reasons others have put up front already, but i need more time to see if i do want to lynch him. There are others here who seem suspicious based on their posts and the tone of their post, but i am not ready right now to make a final desicion. Kurumi was town in XXXIX. Lynched day one for posting nonsensically for the first half of the day. He has improved significantly from that game believe it or not. He is also still playing in PTP mafia and is a self proclaimed SK. Ok, yeah that makes a lot more sense. Yeah, I'm starting to see how Kurumi could be a townie, but I could also see him as a scum who felt the pressure and is trying to change his tune. I still don't thing he should be lynched today. I'm trying to think of who should be, but I really don't know :/ But you agree that it shouldn't be freeloader? Yeah. Here's my "Don't Lynch" list (in no particular order): Me ^^ Jackal58 Vain GGQ Kurumi Treadmill 35spike1 CrJninja Xedat aprudds Actually, looking back, I'm going to put my vote on Drazerk, for twice voting without saying shit. (He might've posted once or twice, but absolutely no substance, only bandwagonning). It is intrresting that you list everyone who did not accuse you yet. Explain in great detail your case for each one in your list. LOL. Kurumi accused me. He recently has backed off of me, but he DEFINITELY accused me. I slipped up on kurumi, but his behavior so far was queer, so i really don't know his stance on you as of now. He is to capricious for me.
First off, xkcd and Kurumi - Kurumi is behaving queerly, he's capricious, etc. Also, this is an oddly defensive post against an off-the-cuff comment from iGrok. Another post without saying anything.
POST NUMBER TWELVE
On June 07 2011 03:45 amazingxkcd wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 03:42 Kurumi wrote:On June 07 2011 03:40 TranceStorm wrote:On June 07 2011 03:34 iGrok wrote:On June 07 2011 03:28 gtrsrs wrote:
iGrok did a 28000 character analysis and determined that kurumi was scum, and less than a day later, before he even had time to convince anyone to vote for kurumi, iGrok now has kurumi on his "don't lynch" list.
duly noted Because, as I noted in that post, I wasn't sure. Combined with Jackal's testimony and Kurumi's abrubt change in play, I'd prefer a DT check on him. You know, exactly what I said in that post Hmm. As amazingxkcd has already noted, a DT check wouldn't reveal much about Kurumi. If Kurumi were mafia, he certainly would be selected as the godfather given that the mafia select amongst themselves on night one who the godfather is. Therefore, regardless of whether he is or isn't mafia, we still will have no clue on Day 2 as to his alignment because he could have been town-aligned to begin with, or switched to town-aligned through his godfather powers. I'd kill myself as mafioso if I were GF. Why would you? I thought you wanted to win if assuming you were a mafia.
Off topic and irrelevant.
POST NUMBER THIRTEEN
On June 07 2011 03:57 amazingxkcd wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 03:52 iGrok wrote:On June 07 2011 03:40 TranceStorm wrote:On June 07 2011 03:34 iGrok wrote:On June 07 2011 03:28 gtrsrs wrote:
iGrok did a 28000 character analysis and determined that kurumi was scum, and less than a day later, before he even had time to convince anyone to vote for kurumi, iGrok now has kurumi on his "don't lynch" list.
duly noted Because, as I noted in that post, I wasn't sure. Combined with Jackal's testimony and Kurumi's abrubt change in play, I'd prefer a DT check on him. You know, exactly what I said in that post Hmm. As amazingxkcd has already noted, a DT check wouldn't reveal much about Kurumi. If Kurumi were mafia, he certainly would be selected as the godfather given that the mafia select amongst themselves on night one who the godfather is. Therefore, regardless of whether he is or isn't mafia, we still will have no clue on Day 2 as to his alignment because he could have been town-aligned to begin with, or switched to town-aligned through his godfather powers. Usually the GF has to be chosen by the end of D1. I would be shocked if Kurumi was chosen as GF, because a GF would NOT risk being lynched D1 - thats just crazy. That is why i stated if kurumi was chosen as gf already, he's trying to mindfuck with us. He already started day 1 with a bunch of controversial rants, so it more so than not likely he'll continue. Either mafia already chosen their gf if kurumi is mafia or he is playing a strange gamble here.
More weird comments from xkcd about Kurumi that don't say anything productive at all.
POST NUMBER FOURTEEN
On June 07 2011 04:05 amazingxkcd wrote:Remember this is a newbie game, so they seem suspicious but that analysis does raise some questions about him. However, what are your thoughts on the other suspects in the current debacle?
I don't know, xkcd, what are yours? You've yet to provide any. And "does raise some questions" is a classic way of saying nothing at all while appearing to comment.
POST NUMBER FIFTEEN
On June 07 2011 04:16 amazingxkcd wrote:
Hello impervious!!
Also,
does impervious have the same role as benjef?
I'll point out that xkcd notices that impervious is only just joining us (this too will come up). apart from that, nothing. Nada.
It's after this that the rookie44 debacle begins, so I'll save the rest for a part two.
To sum up to this point: xkcd has fifteen posts, but he's yet to offer a firm opinion on almost anything. In fact, all but one of Kurumi's posts fall into one of four categories:
No Content
1, 4, 7, 8, 12, 14, 15
Defensive
2, 6, 11
Minor Accusations w/o Follow-Up
3, 10
Saying Nothing About Kurumi
6, 9, 13
Post 6 has two parts, so its in two categories. Note than all four categories are pretty much useless to the town.
The only exception so far is post 5 - and I'm being extremely charitable on that. He gives a half-assed argument for Jackal and iGrok being somehow in league.
There are some interesting themes developing about amazingxkcd already, though. For one, he's got some weird fixation with Kurumi. That one doesn't matter yet but it will. He's also gotten in the habit of posting his suspicions of pretty much everybody but not really following up or being decisive. Most fundamentally xkcd has, thus far, been characterized by posting a lot of essentially contentless posts.
One last thing to note is that xkcd has been following the thread quite closely. He notices grush57's early and unexplained vote, he comments on Impervious' entrance shortly after it happens, and most significantly he responds to any criticism or suspicion other player have of him.
More to come in part 2 
|
it's day 2
we get a lynch
and I think we've got an obvious target
amazingxkcd
PART TWO
You thinking, hey Treadmill, I'm suspicious of this xkcd guy but not yet convinced? Well, here things get interesting.
THE rookie44 BANDWAGON
One vote would be happenstance. Two coincidence.
But three? Three seems like enemy action.
On June 07 2011 06:28 Kurumi wrote:
##unvote
##vote: Rookie44
On June 07 2011 06:29 Senj wrote:
##vote: Rookie44
On June 07 2011 06:31 amazingxkcd wrote:
##VOTE: Rookie44
This, in my mind, is the single most damning piece of evidence against not just xkcd but against all three. In case you missed it, I'm talking about the time stamps - 3 votes, for the same person, within 3 minutes of each other.
It comes down to what you think the probability of this being merely coincidence. Considering that there was no post at perhaps 5 to 10 minutes prior to the 6:28 laying out a convincing argument (such a post would indicate that the three read it and became convinced at around the same time) I believe that the odds are rather low. If you look over the voting thread you'll see that though the votes do get closer as the the end of day time comes around, there is no other case of three votes within 3 minutes. As well, before the rookie situation votes were on average half an hour or more apart, bar a few exceptions.
I am not discounting the possibility of this being chance. However, it seems more likely to me to be co-ordination, and only the mafia is capable of that. This is not the only piece of evidence against xkcd or the others but I believe it is a significant one.
Added to this is my belief that the mafia organized the lynch of rookie44. His post history indicated that he was a likely blue, and especially conisdering last nights murders of GGQ and DeMorcerf, who were not blue but in retrospect appeared to be possible blues, I believe that the mafia has been hunting for blues. It also bears mentioning that all three (xkcd, Senj, and Kurumi) voted before they posted their explanation - I believe it is usually in the otehr order, though I haven't checked.
I'm not going to delve deeper into rookie44's lynch because firstly a decent number of town must have voted for it, so however weak I may feel the case was it was apparently convincing enough for some, and secondly, there is enough other evidence in his posts to indict xkcd without getting into yesterday's lynch.
So, without further ado,
POST NUMBER SIXTEEN
On June 07 2011 06:34 amazingxkcd wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 06:16 Alderan wrote:On June 07 2011 06:03 Jackal58 wrote:On June 07 2011 05:56 Alderan wrote:On June 07 2011 05:47 TranceStorm wrote:On June 07 2011 05:38 Jackal58 wrote:You guys want to vote for scum? Vote this guy - rookie44: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=9611408Has played before so he has an idea how it works. Very subtle in his fishing for blues. Only scum fish for blues. Wants to know what methods and tactics are used to catch scum. Wants us to share them with everybody. Claims it will help derail scum tactics. When it will obviously do the opposite. Has all but disappeared since this post. I'm sure he'll show up momentarily to tell me how full of shit I am. That's where my vote is going. I would recommend you all do the same. Would you mind doing a post-by-post analysis of rookie44's posts? (There are only 3) Right now I can't really see how subtly he is fishing for blues. After all, we don't know how experienced he really is, so I would like a little more clarification as to your accusation. Wait so you're saying instead of voting for new players being dumb you suggest us to vote for a player who has never played before on the forums (admittedly so) for suggesting that veteran players toss out potential strategies? Sure it's a LITTLE scummy, but until I see some elaboration on your "very subtle in fishing for blues" I'm going to have to disagree with you. You his scum buddy? Just pointing out that I think your analysis is just as weak or weaker than all the others. Let's see how he responds. You seem to be in a position to defend rookie44 when he has made quite a lot of scummy posts, particularly trying to take advantage of noobs to slip up their roles with Show nested quote +What i believe is the crucial difference is that we have large amounts of time for discussion. This also gives us the time to create a solid plan for using whatever roles we have effectively (it would seem that way). Also, notices how already from the start of the game, he is asking for roles and wanted to lynch Treadmill without any sound proof besides making a suggestion about the freeloader wagon being loaded with mafias Show nested quote +Would it be a legitimate stratagy if we lynched treadmill with the thought that he and some other mafia got overzealous with voting for freeloader? Here, he is making assumptions about what the mafia should do, which is trying to divert attention away from him. Show nested quote +It seems like if someone got a role in the mafia then they would be more anxious to start the game, and would be much more active in the very beginning. This is a mafia game for less experienced players so maybe that means there will be some metagame mistakes? for these reasons and the ones given by jackal58 as well as kurumi, i am voting for Rookie44 on the basis of clear scummy post and trying to divert attention away from himself with circular logic ##Vote: Rookie44also alderan, I am very suspicious of you for trying to defend this guy. Elaborate as to why you think he is not a scum.
Here we have xkcd explicitly giving his reasons for voting for rookie44.
For the most part xkcd is simply reiterating the points made by Jackal - the major point being the bogus notion of "blue-fishing". I'm not really sure what to say about this, I found the case against rookie to be extremely weak anyways. The one point to mention is:
also alderan, I am very suspicious of you for trying to defend this guy. Elaborate as to why you think he is not a scum.
Here xkcd is once again casting aspersions and attacking Alderan, and pushing for "elaboration" and more explanation - I'll touch on that later.
POST NUMBER SEVENTEEN
On June 07 2011 06:49 amazingxkcd wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 06:43 Treadmill wrote:
Alternately rookie44 is blue. Let's see: trying not to be noticed, yeah. Mafia or blue. Interested in what blues have to say, well, OK. Not really blue fishing - more interested in talking about the strategy for what our blues should be doing. That's my read on rookie44, a newbie blue.
I didn't want to out him cause if I'm right I painted a big, fat target on his back. But there's all of a sudden a bandwagon building on him, and with how spread out our votes are the mafia will be able to easily swing a lynch. Theres a difference between voting for rookie44 based upon clear and concise evidence rather than bandwagoning to him for the easy lynch. His actions are already been quite suspicious and i already have referenced him to guides that he can use. However, he continued to post as if he ignored those guides still asking about strategies concerning blue hunting and how to act. Theres only 3 votes on him right now, so freeloader is still having the most votes. Those 3 votes (mine included) gave concise explanations for why he is a scum, all of them referring to the role fishing notions set forth by rookie. If you think that he is a rookie blue, then why does he still keep trying to ask for roles and strategies when guides were linked to him? Lets see an analysis on this subject that he could be a rookie blue, because i do not see much evidence to support that.
Here's one of the longest posts from xkcd. First off - at this point, there were 4 votes for rookie. In fact, xkcd WAS the fourth vote. So seriously, what the hell? And he says
Those 3 votes (mine included) gave concise explanations for why he is a scum
Oh, really? Well Jackal gave an explanation. And xkcd gave an explanation. But Senj had only voted, not posted, and Kurumi had only given a cursory (and uncharacteristic) "I agree with Jackal". Anyways, why is xkcd defending all the votes against rookie? In fact - xkcd has shown himself to have a good eye on the vote list and the thread. Did he just miss Senj voting but not posting? At heart the miscount of how many votes makes this all confusing rather than damning. xkcd's continued habit of referring to people without sating who they are doesn't help.
In fact, the only thing I get out of this is
Lets see an analysis on this subject
which is xkcd once again putting the onus of making an argument on someone else. I want to point out - this is a trap. There is no such thing as absolute proof in this game. But from here on in, whenever xkcd encounters an argument he ignores its content and responds with "lets see you make more analysis". Which only stalls things out.
Also, if you're accusing someone of being mafia, the burden of proof should be on you.
POST NUMBER EIGHTEEN
On June 07 2011 08:09 amazingxkcd wrote:
Kairo, you just switch your vote to rookie44. What is your reasoning since the last post you made was trying to draw votes away from freeloader onto cherubael. Are you attempting to bandwagon onto this guy now?
Okay, this could be amazingxkcd being a good townie - or it could be him trying to look like a good townie, and muddy the trail. Ultimately he isn't actually saying anything, again, except once again casting vague suspicions on another player.
POST NUMBER NINETEEN
On June 07 2011 08:14 amazingxkcd wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 08:14 CjrNinja wrote:
@rookie44
Hurry up and respond to Alderan's question. Do you still advocate voting for gtrsrs? If so, give us a proper explanation as to why. Saying 'for the reasons above' and 'refering to himself in third person' isn't good enough. If you're not going to vote gtrsrs, then who? And why?
Will re-read the thread again to try and get a handle on what's happened the last few hours.
Voting closes in 5 hours, right?
As of now, yes
Another post that says nothing.
POST NUMBER TWENTY
On June 07 2011 09:00 amazingxkcd wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 08:51 Treadmill wrote:I absolutely don't buy the "hunting for blues" nonsense on rookie44. I don't see at all how what he's been saying could lead to blues revealing themselves - one of the people voting for him should lay out the case a bit better. On June 07 2011 06:01 Jackal58 wrote:On June 07 2011 05:47 TranceStorm wrote:On June 07 2011 05:38 Jackal58 wrote:You guys want to vote for scum? Vote this guy - rookie44: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=9611408Has played before so he has an idea how it works. Very subtle in his fishing for blues. Only scum fish for blues. Wants to know what methods and tactics are used to catch scum. Wants us to share them with everybody. Claims it will help derail scum tactics. When it will obviously do the opposite. Has all but disappeared since this post. I'm sure he'll show up momentarily to tell me how full of shit I am. That's where my vote is going. I would recommend you all do the same. Would you mind doing a post-by-post analysis of rookie44's posts? (There are only 3) Right now I can't really see how subtly he is fishing for blues. After all, we don't know how experienced he really is, so I would like a little more clarification as to your accusation. We'll start with the post I linked: On June 06 2011 04:22 rookie44 wrote:
Hey guys,
This is all getting a bit out of hand, we seem to already be getting in each others faces over perceived (and real) sleights. I have only played mafia on battle.net, and this is going to be quite a different game to that.
Only real difference is timing. Tactics are the same
What i believe is the crucial difference is that we have large amounts of time for discussion. This also gives us the time to create a solid plan for using whatever roles we have effectively (it would seem that way).
This is role fishing. He's wanting people to post their roles and tell him how they intend to use them. At the very least he's hoping a noob would post something along the lines of I'm a DT. Who should I check
Maybe some of the more experienced players could expand on what investigative stratagies they have used; their pitfalls, and how we may evade those pitfalls.
This is saying "I am scum. How are you guys going to catch me? It's called a scum slip
Perhaps an added benifit will be that it will be very tricky for a mafia to come up with a generalized stratagy that is grounded in reason, so maybe there will be some suspiciously quiet people. (I assume it will be difficult for a generalized stratagy becasue i can only see the mafia being able to take advantage of a specific stratagy by getting their peolpe in the right places).
This is just bullshit trying to provide a townie reason for asking.
My analysis in red. This guy is scum. Point by point: 1. Irrelevant. And battle.net mafia is EXTREMELY different from this. 2. No, he isn't asking people to post their roles. He's asking what people think good strategy for blues would be - which is a reasonable question from town and even more sensible for a blue poster. 3. Alternately, he's honestly a newbie asking experienced players what they think we should be doing. 4. Or, he's giving his reason, as a townie, for asking. The "analysis" is bullshit. This is bandwagonning at its WORST. I gave him guides ti read after his 1st post concerning strategies. He ignored it and continued to ask about that topic then makes a sorry post about not reading too much in depth. Also, he wants to play for the lategame as if it is sc2 when we have to get the scums lynched now. This is not his first game, so he has experience already.
I make a brief defence of rookie. xkcd reads it, quotes it, and rather than responding to my (admittedly short) arguments posts a bunch of different (and worse) reasons to lynch rookie44.
Also, note this:
This is not his first game, so he has experience already
Sounds like he knows what he's doing, wouldn't need to ask for guides or strategies in the first place, right? Wrong. His "experience" is from battle.net mafia - which I dont think anyone in their right mind would equate with forum mafia.
I also want to mention something that xkcd doesn't post - anything else about rookie44. Were he a good townie he might respond to rookie44's halfhearted posts defending himself.
POST NUMBER TWENTY-ONE
POST NUMBER TWENTY-TWO
On June 07 2011 10:17 amazingxkcd wrote:
@impervious, you just switxhed your vote from rookie to me. I did not see explanation of ur vote for rookie but why the switch now?
A double post. With no content. Well, he does see his mistake so this one means nothing.
POST NUMBER TWENTY-THREE
On June 07 2011 10:27 amazingxkcd wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 10:16 iGrok wrote:On June 07 2011 10:13 Impervious wrote:
Ok, I thought it through looking at a variety of different situations, and I believe that we need to push for a lynch of one of those 3, rather than rookie.
Why? Because, it's likely that all 3 (or 2 of them) are mafia, based on the timing (and assuming that rookie is town and we have 2 or so vigis in the game).
When that one flips, here's the outcomes:
Scum - We get vigis to hit one or both of the others overnight. Early knockdown to 3KP for the mafia.
Town - We get a vigi to hit rookie as an insurance policy for switching (although we can argue the merit of this move overnight, and should rookie turn out to be red, Treadmill would be a decent policy lynch tomorrow because of how hard he's been defending).
So, if we're going to hit one of them, we need to pick the scummiest one, in case it's a freak accident that they all voted at the same time like that. And we've gotta do it quick (I'm gone in ~1 hr).
Basically, if we switch - in the worst case scenario we give our vigis a good target tonight, and best case, we hit 2 or 3 mafia. Pretty damn good first lynch/night imo.
Now, I asked myself "have they been acting in the best interest of the town?", and the one that really stood out as a "no" was xkcd, so I'd agree with a switch to him right now.
So, I'm changing my vote. ##Vote: amazingxkcd which 3? EBWOP: just saw your post, stupid itouch. Anyway, lets take a look at this. You are assuming that i am in league with jackal when i had made an eariler post stating that i was suspicious of him and iGrok together. If i was a scum and so was he, then why would i accuse him? I even tried to make a case against kurumi ( that case still holds) that he is too eager to want a dt check. Whats even worse is that you want to lynch either me, kurumi, or jackal for information. Really? That is quite a mafia statement "hey lets lynch random townsmen so we can lynch others for more information? What about me? Im not trying to draw attention, move along" Now, you haven't made much discoveries and analysis yourself, and you derail me from a basis of "it doesn't sound right". I am keeping my vote on rookie, but if you don't respond to this, i will switch my vote to you.
Like post number 17, here he's either giving the runaround or he's just confused. The three being referred to are Senj, Kurumi, and amazingxkcd, and the reason being the weird timing of their votes. Bringing up Jackal is missing the point. I really don't know on this one, I'm less charitable than I normally would be as xkcd has been following the thread fairly closely - but it could just be a mistake. Setting that aside,
Whats even worse is that you want to lynch either me, kurumi, or jackal for information
it's likely that all 3 (or 2 of them) are mafia
Here xkcd starts to get under some pressure and his response is to all-out straw-man (this means to basically claim that an argument is different from what it is, with your altered version being obviously flawed). xkcd starts screaming "lynch for information" whereas Impervious has straight out written that he believes xkcd to be scum. The grain of truth is that Impervious goes on to talk about what information could be gleaned from lynching xkcd, and considers the possibility that he could be wrong (something good town does but xkcd never did with rookie).
you haven't made much discoveries and analysis yourself
This is significant cause as xkcd is aware, Impervious has only just joined the game.
xkcd also brings up his obsession with Kurumi and why we shouldn't DT him.
Finally there's his closing:
I am keeping my vote on rookie, but if you don't respond to this, i will switch my vote to you.
which is just ugly.
POST NUMBER TWENTY-FOUR
On June 07 2011 10:30 amazingxkcd wrote:
Ebwop; this is directed at impervious
Also, drazerk is looking like a scum now that i start to evaluate him more in depth. I will do more work to see if i should switch my vote to him if impervious gives a proper response.
The comment here is pretty much useless - another "I'm suspicious of this guy" that never goes anywhere. Also xkcd is making his vote somehow dependant on Impervious, which makes no sense.
POST NUMBER TWENTY-FIVE
On June 07 2011 10:45 amazingxkcd wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 10:37 GGQ wrote:
Just caught up! Jackal's rookie lynch doesn't seem well-founded to me at all. It's possible that he's mafia but I highly doubt it.
I voted jimbooo; the first line on my mafia XL sheet is a scribble saying "Jimboo-words and actions say different things". His posts since then haven't convinced me to back off of him either. This is my preferred lynch.
I also would support an amazingxkcd lynch, he went on my sheet with his first post and since then he's been underlined twice lol.
Let's get our votes off of rookie and onto one of these two guys. I see that you are keeping a sheet too as well. In any case, i just want to point out that impervious is pushing for a lynch to get information rather than simply kill scum. He states in one of his posts that i seem to be the scummist because of my actions when in fact all of my analysis did not get based on feelings, but rather wordings and behavior shown.
Another useless, non-contributing, defensive post. Still straw-manning about the "lynch for information".
POST NUMBER TWENTY-SIX
On June 07 2011 11:00 amazingxkcd wrote:
@tdadonis,
You have not made a single and you voted for rookie. Care to explain?
Another comment that doesn't say anything.
POST NUMBER TWENTY-SEVEN
On June 07 2011 11:08 amazingxkcd wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 10:58 CjrNinja wrote:On June 07 2011 09:35 Treadmill wrote:Another interesting point: Jackal58 makes his case against rookie44, it's pretty weak, the people posting aren't convinced. Nobody but him votes for rookie44. Then an hour later On June 07 2011 06:28 Kurumi wrote:
##unvote
##vote: Rookie44 On June 07 2011 06:29 Senj wrote:
##vote: Rookie44 On June 07 2011 06:31 amazingxkcd wrote:
##VOTE: Rookie44 Look at the time stamps, within 3 minutes of each other. And none of them posted for 2 hours previous to bandwagonning rookie. It looks liek co-ordination. This is very interesting. Good pickup. I don't think rookie or jimboo are anything other than inexperienced town. jimboo voting with the flow is certainly suspicious. But his defense is convincing (to me anyway) that he really has no grasp with what is going on. Drazerk is a little more suspicious, having little to no activity in the thread yet voting twice. Keeping my eye on him and his promised analysis. Which reminds me Freeloader please post your Day 1 thoughts, as you promised. Rookie is the most likely to get lynched at the moment. I wonder if a cause of this is due to the fact that an experienced player in Jackal was the one who made the accusation against him. Experienced players in this game will undoubtedly have more gravitas with regards to what they say in this game, and yeah, I can see how people are satisfied with his dissection of rookie's post (helped by the fact that rookie's defense has been terrible). To me, personally, rookie reeks of inexperience, not scum. Mafia would certainly take advantage of the potential answers people give, but I think he was under the impression he was helping town. But considering this is newbie mafia, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for now. So, who's most suspicious to me? amazingxkcdOn June 06 2011 02:56 amazingxkcd wrote:
It is quite clear that it can be seen who are the main talkers for both side. The only question is now how to distinguish between the two sides and how to act upon it This was posted after he appeared on a lurker list, as pointed out by Alderean. A clear non contribution to appear active. (amazingxkcd later layed suspicions on when Alderean when he defended rookie). He attacks iGrok, who was contributing the most analysis to the game, while not really posting analysis of anyone else at all. Especially after Treadmill's post I quoted above, it appears that there was a bit of collaborating between the 3 of them (Kurmuri, amazingxkcd and senj). I'm finding this very suspicious and is my best reasoning to vote for amazingxkcd on a very chaotic day one. Impervious said it best: On June 07 2011 10:13 Impervious wrote:
Now, I asked myself "have they been acting in the best interest of the town?", and the one that really stood out as a "no" was xkcd.
You've got my vote amazingxkcd. I didn't put forth analysis? Hey let's see, i analysised kurumi and his statement with wanting a dt check and i stated my positiob on that, i analysised iGrok asking help from jackal which against is suspicious given they hadn't talked much to each other, i analysised rookie's position as very scum like which has different premises than jackal btw, and right Now i analysied impervious's wanting to lynch for information, which i am sure you know is scum behavior. It is quite clear that 1. Rookie probably will die since so many people bandwagoned after mine and jackal's analysis. So, am i being not helpfull, crjninja? I sure am. It is quite clear that you didn't read any of my post after the first two and came to a decidion similar to that of impervious, a decision made by feelings.
Another comment about [b]Kurumi and why we shouldn't DT him and it wouldn't tell us anything even if we did *check*
Another defensive post that strawmans and doesn't look at the real argument against him (the vote timings) *check*
Another post that accuses his accusers of being scum *check*
Another post that doesn't actually say anything new or novel or at all really *check*
And as for his "analysis" - look back at post number 5. Does that really count as analysis? Look at post number 16. Are his arguments actually based on different premises than Jackal's? And "analysied impervious's wanting to lynch for information, which i am sure you know is scum behavior"? Just LOL.
POST NUMBER TWENTY-EIGHT
On June 07 2011 11:51 amazingxkcd wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 11:46 Varpulis wrote:
SPELL HIS NAME RIGHT OR I BRING OUT THE THUNDER CjrNinja. happy?
Another pointless post
POST NUMBER TWENTY-NINE
On June 07 2011 12:19 amazingxkcd wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 11:53 heist wrote:
OK, this close to the end of Day 1, I'd like to ask everyone who voted for Freeloader, Drazerk, and Jimbooo to revote. I'm not saying they aren't mafia. They very well could be especially Jimboo who remains highly suspicious. However, THEY WILL NOT BE LYNCHED. You won't achieve majority and your votes will be meaningless.
I really urge you all to consider Impervious' plan. There's no real solid long-term plan if we do lynch Jimbooo no matter what he turns up. If you're voting based purely on suspicious behavior alone, Amazingxkcd has given off no pro-town vibe. His early posts contributed nothing useful and his latter posts are mainly defensive posts against a multitude of other people (i.e Drazerk, alderan, kairo,).
Also, why are people still voting for Freeloader..... u specify defensive posts about a multitude of people. The only ones i have directly accused so far is impervious, alderan and rookie44. All of the others i just simply asked what was their reasoning of their positions. It seems that there is a bandwagon move to take me out, no doubt by the mafia as all of the accusations made against me can only be summerized as "He seems fishy" and "his first post was god-awful". Yes, my first post was god awful because i made a critical error with my statement, but all of the other statements include the accusers to lynch me to obtain information about others, rather than to lynch scum. (Impervious directly said this, so this is why i directly accused him). If this commotion keeps going, it looks like i will die and i assure you that would be a bad idea.
More straw-manning (his first post really isn't the major argument against him). Again, 'my accusers must be mafia'. And a sentence (well, clause) that I have yet to decipher as having meaning in the English language:
but all of the other statements include the accusers to lynch me to obtain information about others, rather than to lynch scum.
POST NUMBER THIRTY
On June 08 2011 01:05 amazingxkcd wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2011 00:39 Kurumi wrote:On June 08 2011 00:37 Xedat wrote:
I want to remind everyone that it is night, don't post anything too critical or it will influence the mafia's hits. If you are concerned that you might die save your post for the last few minutes before day. I hope they target me. Best way to waste their shot <3 Well, you just confirmed my stance on you <3
Ummm... what? There are reasons to be supicious of Kurumi and there are reasons to think Kurumi innocent. This is neither. Cause, know what? Mafia members can pretend to be veterans!
POST NUMBER THIRTY-TWO
On June 08 2011 01:20 amazingxkcd wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2011 01:19 aprudds wrote:+ Show Spoiler +@rookie Are you serious? At least defend yourself man. Your the start of the Jackel tunnel and this is your defense? Step it up man. @ jimbo Hello Jimbo it seems your eager to jump on bandwagons. A BIT TOO eager no? First you jump on the freeloader bandwagon after "patting me on the back", and when the heat turns up a bit you jump off. You disappear for a few hundred posts (200s-500s) with little to no defense and when you pop back with this being your only defense. + Show Spoiler +Sorry for not replying to accusations against me , I really didnt know what to say. My vote was way to early , which was the reason i retracted it. I don't have anything else to say at this point. Next when Jackel starts to put on the heat on rookie you jump on that one as well. With not a single post explaining why. Not even a simple "I agree", or a "that makes sense". Just a simple silent vote. Someone is trying to avoid attention. + Show Spoiler + I accidentally posted my last post without finishing , sorry. Im not sure if freeloader was TRYING to be suspicious with his last post , but after thinking it through I think he is probably just new. That small amount of evidence got a discussion started , but I think people also voted slightly hastily. It looks very suspicious that so many people voted for freeloader right after he was accused. Yes, it looks very suspicious that people voted hastily. I guess you would agree I have ample reason to FOS you then eh? TL;DR (since I know you don't seem to like reading) Neither me nor Jackel had a very good case (my case on freeloader was not even a case at all) and yet you are more than eager to jump on bandwagons. You have almost no defense for your earlier behavior You don't justify your lynches. Your past self would agree that your suspicious You sir get my vote. I would like to restate my case and that the only person other than Lafali that voted freeloader and than jumped on rookie wagon is jimbooo Are you under the assumption that freeloader is a townie since lafali jumped on him as well as jimbooo?
And, now that the fuss has died down, xkcd is back to his old tricks of posting completely useless things, writing comments on issues without commenting.
Hrrrm. Okay, this has taken too long and I'm going a bit screwy. All in all, though, I think that amazingxkcd is clearly mafia and is our best lynch.
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I apologize, what is WIFOM?
Also I believe they kept you alive because you're their GF :D
But yes I do feel that I have chosen which glass to drink from and that is because it seems like the better choice at this time, but if someone came up with very strong and reasonable "proof" I would change my stance.
I am not close minded, but pretty sure.
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