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So far we have learned that iGrok first day has been utterly passive and is following his statement that he will not post anything worthwhile until after day 1, but has instead been using his time to get in our good graces by not stepping on any one's shoes as he wants to be liked by everyone. Currently (at the time of the above posts) I am kind of annoyed by him, but he seems like a very good player (even though he hasn't actually posted anything).
I stopped here. So you completely skipped me fighting with Kurumi?
Back to reading.
You know what, I'm done. I'm sick of defending myself against ridiculous tunnels. I'm sick of not being given credit for helping out newbies and pointing them towards good town play. And, I'm sick of being accused of being GF every time I defend myself.
Cya.
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Hahahaha, gtrsrs called you out, you told him to analyze you, so I did. And now you strategy for defense is to remain silent.
Please lynch this guy.
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On June 09 2011 00:13 iGrok wrote:Show nested quote +So far we have learned that iGrok first day has been utterly passive and is following his statement that he will not post anything worthwhile until after day 1, but has instead been using his time to get in our good graces by not stepping on any one's shoes as he wants to be liked by everyone. Currently (at the time of the above posts) I am kind of annoyed by him, but he seems like a very good player (even though he hasn't actually posted anything). I stopped here. So you completely skipped me fighting with Kurumi? Back to reading.
You know what, I'm done. I'm sick of defending myself against ridiculous tunnels. I'm sick of not being given credit for helping out newbies and pointing them towards good town play. And, I'm sick of being accused of being GF every time I defend myself. Cya.
Also I definitely listed every single one of your posts (or gave a brief response to them so there wasn't 400 spoilers) up until the end of Night 1, but I did no deem your so-called fight with Kurumi necessary in my brief summary.
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Alright, I'm going to say that amazingxcd is scum, for he is not responding to any accusations and lynched a medic and had no clear evidence that rookie was scum.
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Any vigis seeking help who to shoot next night? grush57 wants to get shot badly.
Just check out his vote history - freeloader625 "I stupidly joined on bandwagon"
Then gtrsrs - On June 07 2011 05:08 grush57 wrote:
I'm pretty sure gtsrs is scum. He is keep accusing people with little info and keep saying he will risk his life, even though he would be scrambling to save himself if he was up to be lynched.
Therefore, I vote gtsrs.
Townie does not need to risk anything.
Then he "silently" votes xkdcd.
The post I brought up is the only post which is not one-liner he did not post. He discussed nothing,jumped on bandwagons and made OMGUS vote on Gtsrs.
For our today's lynch,lies from iGrok are sufficient for me to get him lynched.
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On June 09 2011 00:58 grush57 wrote:
Alright, I'm going to say that amazingxcd is scum, for he is not responding to any accusations and lynched a medic and had no clear evidence that rookie was scum.
This is an amazing case,I can't agree more!
Not. You're a terrible poster and horrible scum. You haven't made any case against him Yourself. You're just active lurking and joining on any potential bandwagon. There was clear evidence on rookie44:blue fishing,though it can go either way(confused blue or scum). People who backed off and defended rookie44 hardcore are most likely scum. Treadmill is scum. iGrok is highly likely the GF.
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On June 09 2011 00:58 grush57 wrote:
Alright, I'm going to say that amazingxcd is scum, for he is not responding to any accusations and lynched a medic and had no clear evidence that rookie was scum.
About my accusations to rookie, please refer to my previous, which i am sure you can find yourself.
About all of the accusations against me, i am not trying to spread chaos as so much shit happened. I will post a complete analysis of every major players here when i get home from finals today. I will for now say that treadmill is tunneling me unneccessarily, and i can respond to his arguements.
Impervious also tried to tunnel me, but it wasn't as abusive as treadmill, plus impervious's night discussions are being more of a townie, so i will not attempt to tunnel him. I am convinced that Kurumi and iGrok are townies as everyone who attacked and or tunneled them are seeming to vibe together.
I am now starting to feel that jackal is scum material becausr i haven't seen much materials from him, and that all the people who jumped on me agreed with his analysis of rookie44, despite jackal having similar analysis as i had. There of course are our lurker scum (jimbooo, dranerk, and more) that others argued for.
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On June 09 2011 01:15 amazingxkcd wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 00:58 grush57 wrote:
Alright, I'm going to say that amazingxcd is scum, for he is not responding to any accusations and lynched a medic and had no clear evidence that rookie was scum. About my accusations to rookie, please refer to my previous, which i am sure you can find yourself. About all of the accusations against me, i am not trying to spread chaos as so much shit happened. I will post a complete analysis of every major players here when i get home from finals today. I will for now say that treadmill is tunneling me unneccessarily, and i can respond to his arguements. Impervious also tried to tunnel me, but it wasn't as abusive as treadmill, plus impervious's night discussions are being more of a townie, so i will not attempt to tunnel him. I am convinced that Kurumi and iGrok are townies as everyone who attacked and or tunneled them are seeming to vibe together. I am now starting to feel that jackal is scum material becausr i haven't seen much materials from him, and that all the people who jumped on me agreed with his analysis of rookie44, despite jackal having similar analysis as i had. There of course are our lurker scum (jimbooo, dranerk, and more) that others argued for.
And you won't. Most of what I post is short and to the point. And you have no idea what tunneling is.
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Well well well. Let's take a little trip back to day 1 shall we? I've been re-reading the thread looking for anyone suspicious around Lafali. Unfortunately, Lafali didn't have enough posts to find anything juicy; however, it did bring my attention back to Jimbooo.
On June 05 2011 12:46 Jimbooo wrote:
This going to be EXTREMELY fun!
Oh, but the fun is just beginning my good man, have a seat over there.
Early on Day 1 he votes for Freeloader65 20 minutes after claiming that we shouldn't be too hasty to vote for a simple question.
On June 05 2011 13:38 Jimbooo wrote:
@aprudds
Wow, nice observation. I dont know if hes just someone with a question or what, but I dont want to make hasty decisions and accidentally lynch someone that we shouldnt lynch.
20 minutes seems a little hasty to vote after just telling everyone else that we should wait it out and make the proper lynch. He posts three more times without saying much.
On June 05 2011 14:57 Jimbooo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 14:50 DeMorcerf wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 05 2011 14:03 Jimbooo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 14:02 freeloader625 wrote:On June 05 2011 13:49 cherubael wrote:On June 05 2011 13:35 aprudds wrote:On June 05 2011 12:44 freeloader625 wrote:
Omg I'm so excited for this. I read all the rules twice and just want to ask to anyone willing to answer (before the game starts) since these were not answered in the thread rules:
1) Since PMs are not allowed, how would mafia communicate with each other?
2) Once someone dies whether it be by votes or mafia hit, will their roles be revealed?
Thanks and GL everyone! (I've only played SC2 Mafia before and got hooked) Hmm, a bit suspicious no? Right when the PM are getting sent out too. Scum slip? A bit of a bold accusation, I would say. However, I do have to agree, the first question does look a bit suspicious. After all, a townie would have *no* reason to ask such a question, as they can't PM anyway. Oh but a townie does have reasons to ask such a question. Don't take my SC2 Mafia as lack of experience, I was able to deduce roles within the 50seconds given. :D What reason does a townie have to ask such a question? A townie would ask the question in order to understand the game clearly. To defeat thine enemy, thou must know thine enemy. He needed to be sure whether the mafia had the power to coordinate or was as in the dark as townies are. And from having played SC2'sMafia, it seems to me like a question I'd be tempted to ask regardless of my role considering many of us are new to TL-Mafia (this is a game for "new players"). We shouldn't be rash. Haste makes waste. We still have many hours of this day left. I agree he is quite suspicious, but he could just be trying to confirm how the game operates. Perhaps SC2Mafia has made me adverse to random lynching. Unlike Jimbooo and cherubael, I'm not going to vote this soon. Now seeing his updated response, of "All I can say", freeloader does feel more suspicious to me. Especially because I feel like the reverse is true in SC2Mafia, where people blindly trust the first people to speak not lynch them. I'm going to sleep now, but still not convinced beyond a doubt there's enough to bother 'sleeping on.' Thinking about this , I am sort of happy I can unvote. But that doesnt change freeloaders suspiciousness. With his last post , I do think he is alot more shady , but I dont want to point fingers. Like I said in one of my posts , I dont want to be hasty and lynch a townie , but there is 48 hours left.
Something strange happens here. Jimbooo's punctuation gets a little wonky. It's possible that Jimbooo isn't a native English speaker, but two posts before he looked just fine. On to the substance, or lack thereof in his post. He's happy he can unvote after feeling a little pressure about the bandwagon jump.
I bolded the last line for emphasis. This is a direct contradiction between his words and his actions. If you don't want to be hasty Jimbooo why did you vote so early? Once again he points out that we still have an abundance of time. State the obvious a little more please. Someone might have missed that the game has 48 hour day cycles.
Here's Jimbooo's defense of his hasty decision
On June 05 2011 15:13 Jimbooo wrote:
I guess I was just quick to vote? idk, its possible to change votes so I wouldnt say its a mistake , but once freeloader was that suspicious I just felt it was a good time to vote.
I would. I'd call it a scum slip. You got caught doing the exact thing you were advocating against. He justifies the quick vote by saying freeloader was "that suspicious". That just doesn't hold up. Asking a question regarding rules several hours after the game starts doesn't constitute suspicious.
Why exactly was this a good time to vote? Cherubael (Another suspicious character) was the only person to vote in the game. So far Jimbooo has provided an incredibly shaky defense for himself.
On June 05 2011 15:19 Jimbooo wrote:
I also at first thought we should keep an eye on freeloader , I don't think he is definitely mafia , but we should keep an eye on him. I DID vote , but I don't think he is CERTAINLY mafia, he is just very suspicious.
I feel like we should trust people a little more , because now people feel like they will get accused with every post and town can't function that way.
More of the same, this post is riddled with indecision. Jimbooo is uncertain of Freeloader, but that didn't stop him from voting anyway.
As I'm reading this section for the third time he states twice that we should keep an eye on freeloader. At this point I'm confident saying that Jimbooo is shaken up.
The second half of his post is incredibly vague and quite frankly doesn't gel with the rest of what he's said. Town can't function by making accusations? Really?
This is Jimbooo up to page 10 of the thread. I did further digging with him disappearing and being quite active in several fan club / stream threads after being accused. I'll let this sit for a minute while I type up the rest, and before I get there, I'll note that I agreed with his point about being hasty early in the thread.
I'm going to go get some lunch and after that I'll be back with the rest of my findings.
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I wake in the morning and I come back to giant walls of text. Oh boy, fun.
First off Drazerk, I still want to hear a response.
Next, can you guys please, make your analysis more readable? This is more directed towards Kurumi, Sprungjeezy and to a lesser extent Treadmill.
Kurumi: It takes every ounce of mental strength to even read through your posts without skipping them over. Please structure your thoughts and lay them out in a constructive manner instead of trying to barf whatever you were thinking on the page and hoping people will read it. Your posts have no coherent flow and with 5 of them in a row it just makes me want to ignore you for the rest of the game. I told you this before at the beginning but if your going to continue to defecate on the page I'm just going to ignore everything you write.
I'm not trying to be a dick but your posts make my eyes and brain hurt. It's worse than trying to read Shakespeare.
Treadmill: Giant quote walls hurt. They hurt alot. I am VERY THANKFUL though that you managed to at least have the courtesy of structuring it. Jackal was right on when he said to break it up so people can try and digest the information better.
Sprungjeezy: No your formatting isn't attractive at all. It's downright confusing. If you want people to actually read what you write without getting lost next time make it coherent. I literally cannot see what point your trying to make other than "he's suspicious vote for him". I apologize if you think that I'm stupid but can you make it clear what new information your bringing to the table? Because I just don't see it.
Lastly it's very disturbing that everyone seemed to have already forgotten the first lynch. We lynched the doctor and instead of looking at the votes to find scum, people are playing WIFOM.
People on my FOS:
Kurumi-The voting fiasco
Senj-The voting fiasco
amazingxkcd-The voting fiasco and reasons outlined by treadmill
Jimbooo-I have already outlined my reasoning
Drazerk-I have already outlined my reasoning
xkcd, Jimboo and Drazerk care to justify yourselves?
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Why is everyone forgetting about Jackal and listing everyone who voted on rookie besides him,this is confuses me a lot,lol.
Also ask questions. I try to improve as much as I can. Can't deduce something out of my posts? Ask,I'll straighten them up and make them "readable". I dislike being ignored when I am not mafia,really. I loved it in PYPI,but here it is unnecessary.
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On June 09 2011 01:54 Kurumi wrote:
Why is everyone forgetting about Jackal and listing everyone who voted on rookie besides him,this is confuses me a lot,lol.
Also ask questions. I try to improve as much as I can. Can't deduce something out of my posts? Ask,I'll straighten them up and make them "readable". I dislike being ignored when I am not mafia,really. I loved it in PYPI,but here it is unnecessary.
That is the statement i am trying to push for. I voted for rookie with similar evidence as jackal, while not knowing about his posts, then later people started to push for me. Notice the people who voted for rookie on jackal's posts then switched over to vote for me when one of the scums said i was suspicious.
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On June 09 2011 01:54 Kurumi wrote:
Why is everyone forgetting about Jackal and listing everyone who voted on rookie besides him,this is confuses me a lot,lol.
Also ask questions. I try to improve as much as I can. Can't deduce something out of my posts? Ask,I'll straighten them up and make them "readable". I dislike being ignored when I am not mafia,really. I loved it in PYPI,but here it is unnecessary.
It's just very difficult to read and understand your thoughts when your jumping around all the time with punctuation all over the place. A few simple things you could do is
a) put spaces after your commas
b) organize your information and post it in a structured manner.
c) stop quad posting so much. Take a few minutes to think about everything you want to say and then do it in a nice concise manner. Currently your posting every single stray thought that goes through your head and some of it is complete nonsense if you sat down and thought about.
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On June 09 2011 01:02 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 00:58 grush57 wrote:
Alright, I'm going to say that amazingxcd is scum, for he is not responding to any accusations and lynched a medic and had no clear evidence that rookie was scum. This is an amazing case,I can't agree more! Not. You're a terrible poster and horrible scum. You haven't made any case against him Yourself. You're just active lurking and joining on any potential bandwagon. There was clear evidence on rookie44:blue fishing,though it can go either way(confused blue or scum). People who backed off and defended rookie44 hardcore are most likely scum. Treadmill is scum. iGrok is highly likely the GF.
Fine, Ill just lurk like the other 30 people and jump on bandwagons like the other 30 people, otherwise every time I try to say something everybody else tries to jump on me.
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On June 09 2011 01:48 aprudds wrote:
I wake in the morning and I come back to giant walls of text. Oh boy, fun.
First off Drazerk, I still want to hear a response.
Next, can you guys please, make your analysis more readable? This is more directed towards Kurumi, Sprungjeezy and to a lesser extent Treadmill.
Kurumi: It takes every ounce of mental strength to even read through your posts without skipping them over. Please structure your thoughts and lay them out in a constructive manner instead of trying to barf whatever you were thinking on the page and hoping people will read it. Your posts have no coherent flow and with 5 of them in a row it just makes me want to ignore you for the rest of the game. I told you this before at the beginning but if your going to continue to defecate on the page I'm just going to ignore everything you write.
I'm not trying to be a dick but your posts make my eyes and brain hurt. It's worse than trying to read Shakespeare.
Treadmill: Giant quote walls hurt. They hurt alot. I am VERY THANKFUL though that you managed to at least have the courtesy of structuring it. Jackal was right on when he said to break it up so people can try and digest the information better.
Sprungjeezy: No your formatting isn't attractive at all. It's downright confusing. If you want people to actually read what you write without getting lost next time make it coherent. I literally cannot see what point your trying to make other than "he's suspicious vote for him". I apologize if you think that I'm stupid but can you make it clear what new information your bringing to the table? Because I just don't see it.
Lastly it's very disturbing that everyone seemed to have already forgotten the first lynch. We lynched the doctor and instead of looking at the votes to find scum, people are playing WIFOM.
People on my FOS:
Kurumi-The voting fiasco
Senj-The voting fiasco
amazingxkcd-The voting fiasco and reasons outlined by treadmill
Jimbooo-I have already outlined my reasoning
Drazerk-I have already outlined my reasoning
xkcd, Jimboo and Drazerk care to justify yourselves?
This is for you, aprudds, you only referenced treadmill's posts but what is your thoughts? You want me to defend myself against you when you got nothing to say about me.
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On June 09 2011 01:58 amazingxkcd wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 01:54 Kurumi wrote:
Why is everyone forgetting about Jackal and listing everyone who voted on rookie besides him,this is confuses me a lot,lol.
Also ask questions. I try to improve as much as I can. Can't deduce something out of my posts? Ask,I'll straighten them up and make them "readable". I dislike being ignored when I am not mafia,really. I loved it in PYPI,but here it is unnecessary. That is the statement i am trying to push for. I voted for rookie with similar evidence as jackal, while not knowing about his posts, then later people started to push for me. Notice the people who voted for rookie on jackal's posts then switched over to vote for me when one of the scums said i was suspicious.
The problem is that jackal started the bandwagon with not so strong reasons. it looked like he was trying to get some more information out of rookie and see the reaction rather than the full out lynch. For you, an observer, to completely blindly agree with Jackal's reasoning (which isn't that strong in the first place) and then vote in a seemingly organized manner with 2 others is where the suspicions come in. Your less than stellar post history doesn't help you at all either.
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On June 09 2011 01:54 Kurumi wrote:
Why is everyone forgetting about Jackal and listing everyone who voted on rookie besides him,this is confuses me a lot,lol.
Also ask questions. I try to improve as much as I can. Can't deduce something out of my posts? Ask,I'll straighten them up and make them "readable". I dislike being ignored when I am not mafia,really. I loved it in PYPI,but here it is unnecessary.
If we lynched a person every time they are wrong we'd have to lynch you 35 or 40 times today.
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On June 09 2011 02:04 aprudds wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 01:58 amazingxkcd wrote:On June 09 2011 01:54 Kurumi wrote:
Why is everyone forgetting about Jackal and listing everyone who voted on rookie besides him,this is confuses me a lot,lol.
Also ask questions. I try to improve as much as I can. Can't deduce something out of my posts? Ask,I'll straighten them up and make them "readable". I dislike being ignored when I am not mafia,really. I loved it in PYPI,but here it is unnecessary. That is the statement i am trying to push for. I voted for rookie with similar evidence as jackal, while not knowing about his posts, then later people started to push for me. Notice the people who voted for rookie on jackal's posts then switched over to vote for me when one of the scums said i was suspicious. The problem is that jackal started the bandwagon with not so strong reasons. it looked like he was trying to get some more information out of rookie and see the reaction rather than the full out lynch. For you, an observer, to completely blindly agree with Jackal's reasoning (which isn't that strong in the first place) and then vote in a seemingly organized manner with 2 others is where the suspicions come in. Your less than stellar post history doesn't help you at all either.
If Jackal's reasoning wasn't strong enough and if he just wanted information, then why did he vote for rookie right away after his analysis of rookie as detailed below?
On June 07 2011 06:01 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 05:47 TranceStorm wrote:On June 07 2011 05:38 Jackal58 wrote:You guys want to vote for scum? Vote this guy - rookie44: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=9611408Has played before so he has an idea how it works. Very subtle in his fishing for blues. Only scum fish for blues. Wants to know what methods and tactics are used to catch scum. Wants us to share them with everybody. Claims it will help derail scum tactics. When it will obviously do the opposite. Has all but disappeared since this post. I'm sure he'll show up momentarily to tell me how full of shit I am. That's where my vote is going. I would recommend you all do the same. Would you mind doing a post-by-post analysis of rookie44's posts? (There are only 3) Right now I can't really see how subtly he is fishing for blues. After all, we don't know how experienced he really is, so I would like a little more clarification as to your accusation. We'll start with the post I linked: Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 04:22 rookie44 wrote:
Hey guys,
This is all getting a bit out of hand, we seem to already be getting in each others faces over perceived (and real) sleights. I have only played mafia on battle.net, and this is going to be quite a different game to that.
Only real difference is timing. Tactics are the same
What i believe is the crucial difference is that we have large amounts of time for discussion. This also gives us the time to create a solid plan for using whatever roles we have effectively (it would seem that way).
This is role fishing. He's wanting people to post their roles and tell him how they intend to use them. At the very least he's hoping a noob would post something along the lines of I'm a DT. Who should I check
Maybe some of the more experienced players could expand on what investigative stratagies they have used; their pitfalls, and how we may evade those pitfalls.
This is saying "I am scum. How are you guys going to catch me? It's called a scum slip
Perhaps an added benifit will be that it will be very tricky for a mafia to come up with a generalized stratagy that is grounded in reason, so maybe there will be some suspiciously quiet people. (I assume it will be difficult for a generalized stratagy becasue i can only see the mafia being able to take advantage of a specific stratagy by getting their peolpe in the right places).
This is just bullshit trying to provide a townie reason for asking.
My analysis in red. This guy is scum.
On June 07 2011 05:39 Jackal58 wrote:
##VOTE: Rookie44
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On June 09 2011 02:07 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 01:54 Kurumi wrote:
Why is everyone forgetting about Jackal and listing everyone who voted on rookie besides him,this is confuses me a lot,lol.
Also ask questions. I try to improve as much as I can. Can't deduce something out of my posts? Ask,I'll straighten them up and make them "readable". I dislike being ignored when I am not mafia,really. I loved it in PYPI,but here it is unnecessary. If we lynched a person every time they are wrong we'd have to lynch you 35 or 40 times today.
Not saying that You're scum,just that's an interesting observation that they blame everyone besides You.
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On June 09 2011 02:08 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 02:07 Jackal58 wrote:On June 09 2011 01:54 Kurumi wrote:
Why is everyone forgetting about Jackal and listing everyone who voted on rookie besides him,this is confuses me a lot,lol.
Also ask questions. I try to improve as much as I can. Can't deduce something out of my posts? Ask,I'll straighten them up and make them "readable". I dislike being ignored when I am not mafia,really. I loved it in PYPI,but here it is unnecessary. If we lynched a person every time they are wrong we'd have to lynch you 35 or 40 times today. Not saying that You're scum,just that's an interesting observation that they blame everyone besides You.
I agree with this, and started to discuss this, but the main townies besides you aren't helping me with this.
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