EPTI don't accuse Impervious of being scum,but that's kind of fishing. Mafia already has info advantage,don't give more info they don't need. Impervious,that's horrible idea to say everything about Yourself. We are dead sure there's at least one experienced player in Mafia team who'll look into people's meta and try to deduce if they bare the same role this game.
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
I don't accuse Impervious of being scum,but that's kind of fishing. Mafia already has info advantage,don't give more info they don't need. Impervious,that's horrible idea to say everything about Yourself. We are dead sure there's at least one experienced player in Mafia team who'll look into people's meta and try to deduce if they bare the same role this game. | ||
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Xedat
Germany358 Posts
It feels like there are different conversations happening parallel and I think we should focus our actions. The people accused of being scum today in no particular order are: Jimboo Drazerk iGrok amazingxkcd appruds Jackal58 Kurumi grush57 I think that is all. As you might know just accusing people without giving your thoughts about the other people accused won't help as much, as it will just lead to the clusterfuck that is the current discussion. So I will say what I think about each of them and then say who I find most scummy and why I voted for him. Jimboo: Bad votes, has not answered allegations against him at all, definitely scummy. Drazerk: As I said before, strange posts, also scummy. iGrok: Tries to get a lot of town cred, a bit hypocritical, also scummy. amazingxkcd: Still waiting for his, and I quote: "Analysis of every major player." Instead he defends himself. Saying you will analyze someone and then not doing it and desperately defending after is definitely very scummy appruds: Not too sure on him, hasn't stricken me as very scummy, undecided. Jackal58: Made a bad lynch happen, Undecided about him. But remember, never trust someone blindly and always think before voting, then something like last lynch will not happen. (Hopefully) Kurumi: His posting has gotten better, a bit of an enigma to me. grush57: Crybaby much? Haven't looked into him too much, strikes me as more of a disappointed townie than a scumbag right now. So after thinking about all of these players I think amazingxkcd is the most scummy one, if he doesn't come up with a proper analysis about at least someone my vote will stay on him. | ||
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TranceStorm
1616 Posts
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Impervious
Canada4170 Posts
On June 09 2011 03:51 Kurumi wrote: EDWOP: I don't accuse Impervious of being scum,but that's kind of fishing. Mafia already has info advantage,don't give more info they don't need. Impervious,that's horrible idea to say everything about Yourself. We are dead sure there's at least one experienced player in Mafia team who'll look into people's meta and try to deduce if they bare the same role this game. I want to see if they're accustomed to the style of Mafia that TL plays. It's very different from the type you'll find on battle.net, which has become pretty common. Plus, I am kind of fishing with this data. I want to go back and see if there's some scumslips based on what people don't know. | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
On June 09 2011 04:02 Impervious wrote: I want to see if they're accustomed to the style of Mafia that TL plays. It's very different from the type you'll find on battle.net, which has become pretty common. Plus, I am kind of fishing with this data. I want to go back and see if there's some scumslips based on what people don't know. So basically Your thought goes like "I will collect the data about scumslips they know about and after that I will add those they don't know about yet"? | ||
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Impervious
Canada4170 Posts
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Senj
United States193 Posts
Spoiler: Aprudds post calling out Jimbooo for hopping on both the bandwagon votes. Page 30. + Show Spoiler + On June 07 2011 09:59 aprudds wrote: @rookie Are you serious? At least defend yourself man. Your the start of the Jackel tunnel and this is your defense? Step it up man. @ jimbo Hello Jimbo it seems your eager to jump on bandwagons. A BIT TOO eager no? First you jump on the freeloader bandwagon after "patting me on the back", and when the heat turns up a bit you jump off. You disappear for a few hundred posts (200s-500s) with little to no defense and when you pop back with this being your only defense. + Show Spoiler + Sorry for not replying to accusations against me , I really didnt know what to say. My vote was way to early , which was the reason i retracted it. I don't have anything else to say at this point. Next when Jackel starts to put on the heat on rookie you jump on that one as well. With not a single post explaining why. Not even a simple "I agree", or a "that makes sense". Just a simple silent vote. Someone is trying to avoid attention. + Show Spoiler + I accidentally posted my last post without finishing , sorry. Im not sure if freeloader was TRYING to be suspicious with his last post , but after thinking it through I think he is probably just new. That small amount of evidence got a discussion started , but I think people also voted slightly hastily. It looks very suspicious that so many people voted for freeloader right after he was accused. Yes, it looks very suspicious that people voted hastily. I guess you would agree I have ample reason to FOS you then eh? TL;DR (since I know you don't seem to like reading) Neither me nor Jackel had a very good case (my case on freeloader was not even a case at all) and yet you are more than eager to jump on bandwagons. You have almost no defense for your earlier behavior You don't justify your lynches. Your past self would agree that your suspicious You sir get my vote. His last post on Teamliquid was a vote for rookie45 on June 7th. He didn't give any post explaining his reasoning for rookie. Well shit. I was looking forward to digging deeper in to this, but there's nothing left. Where are you Jimbooo? | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
On June 09 2011 04:21 Senj wrote: Back from lunch and it's time to finish up my thoughts on Jimbooo. Spoiler: Aprudds post calling out Jimbooo for hopping on both the bandwagon votes. Page 30. + Show Spoiler + On June 07 2011 09:59 aprudds wrote: @rookie Are you serious? At least defend yourself man. Your the start of the Jackel tunnel and this is your defense? Step it up man. @ jimbo Hello Jimbo it seems your eager to jump on bandwagons. A BIT TOO eager no? First you jump on the freeloader bandwagon after "patting me on the back", and when the heat turns up a bit you jump off. You disappear for a few hundred posts (200s-500s) with little to no defense and when you pop back with this being your only defense. + Show Spoiler + Sorry for not replying to accusations against me , I really didnt know what to say. My vote was way to early , which was the reason i retracted it. I don't have anything else to say at this point. Next when Jackel starts to put on the heat on rookie you jump on that one as well. With not a single post explaining why. Not even a simple "I agree", or a "that makes sense". Just a simple silent vote. Someone is trying to avoid attention. + Show Spoiler + I accidentally posted my last post without finishing , sorry. Im not sure if freeloader was TRYING to be suspicious with his last post , but after thinking it through I think he is probably just new. That small amount of evidence got a discussion started , but I think people also voted slightly hastily. It looks very suspicious that so many people voted for freeloader right after he was accused. Yes, it looks very suspicious that people voted hastily. I guess you would agree I have ample reason to FOS you then eh? TL;DR (since I know you don't seem to like reading) Neither me nor Jackel had a very good case (my case on freeloader was not even a case at all) and yet you are more than eager to jump on bandwagons. You have almost no defense for your earlier behavior You don't justify your lynches. Your past self would agree that your suspicious You sir get my vote. His last post on Teamliquid was a vote for rookie45 on June 7th. He didn't give any post explaining his reasoning for rookie. Well shit. I was looking forward to digging deeper in to this, but there's nothing left. Where are you Jimbooo? Since You're ok with lynching lurking people who vote without any explanation/shitty explanation are You agreeing with me on vigi shooting grush57? | ||
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Senj
United States193 Posts
On June 09 2011 04:24 Kurumi wrote: Since You're ok with lynching lurking people who vote without any explanation/shitty explanation are You agreeing with me on vigi shooting grush57? Let me look back over grush57. In the case of Jimbooo I went digging back through the thread and found several contradictions between his posting and his voting action. | ||
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TranceStorm
1616 Posts
On June 09 2011 04:21 Senj wrote: Back from lunch and it's time to finish up my thoughts on Jimbooo. Spoiler: Aprudds post calling out Jimbooo for hopping on both the bandwagon votes. Page 30. + Show Spoiler + On June 07 2011 09:59 aprudds wrote: @rookie Are you serious? At least defend yourself man. Your the start of the Jackel tunnel and this is your defense? Step it up man. @ jimbo Hello Jimbo it seems your eager to jump on bandwagons. A BIT TOO eager no? First you jump on the freeloader bandwagon after "patting me on the back", and when the heat turns up a bit you jump off. You disappear for a few hundred posts (200s-500s) with little to no defense and when you pop back with this being your only defense. + Show Spoiler + Sorry for not replying to accusations against me , I really didnt know what to say. My vote was way to early , which was the reason i retracted it. I don't have anything else to say at this point. Next when Jackel starts to put on the heat on rookie you jump on that one as well. With not a single post explaining why. Not even a simple "I agree", or a "that makes sense". Just a simple silent vote. Someone is trying to avoid attention. + Show Spoiler + I accidentally posted my last post without finishing , sorry. Im not sure if freeloader was TRYING to be suspicious with his last post , but after thinking it through I think he is probably just new. That small amount of evidence got a discussion started , but I think people also voted slightly hastily. It looks very suspicious that so many people voted for freeloader right after he was accused. Yes, it looks very suspicious that people voted hastily. I guess you would agree I have ample reason to FOS you then eh? TL;DR (since I know you don't seem to like reading) Neither me nor Jackel had a very good case (my case on freeloader was not even a case at all) and yet you are more than eager to jump on bandwagons. You have almost no defense for your earlier behavior You don't justify your lynches. Your past self would agree that your suspicious You sir get my vote. His last post on Teamliquid was a vote for rookie45 on June 7th. He didn't give any post explaining his reasoning for rookie. Well shit. I was looking forward to digging deeper in to this, but there's nothing left. Where are you Jimbooo? I've been calling out Jimboo since here, but aside from a brief cameo appearance where he couldn't respond to my questions, he has been nonexistant as compared to his earlier activity which was far more enthusiastic. | ||
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TranceStorm
1616 Posts
On June 09 2011 04:24 Kurumi wrote: Since You're ok with lynching lurking people who vote without any explanation/shitty explanation are You agreeing with me on vigi shooting grush57? I don't think grush57 is scum though. His justifications have been really bad, but at least he is attacking certain people. Look at his accusation of gtrsrs - why would he do that? There was no heat on gtrsrs at that moment whereas mafia members want to slip unnoticed and draw attention by attacking others. Plus, this post doesn't sound like a mafia response at all: On June 09 2011 02:01 grush57 wrote: Fine, Ill just lurk like the other 30 people and jump on bandwagons like the other 30 people, otherwise every time I try to say something everybody else tries to jump on me. Sounds to me alot more like a bored green than a mafia trying to cover their tracks. | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
Grush57 voted gtrsrs when he was having that huge argument with iGrok. Many people have been disagreeing with gtrsrs and showing some suspicion on him. | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
People also brought Drazerk's case which looks like a mirror of Jimboo,would he be a good vigi target too? Keep in mind that it is planning ahead, so if there's anything more important than that You should focus on it. | ||
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Senj
United States193 Posts
@TranceSorm: I completely blanked that you called him out earlier. after re-reading his posts this morning I agree with your points. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
i feel like no one ever listens to me. i called iGrok as mafia on day1 and i'm going to turn up right. you know what else i said? On June 06 2011 03:44 gtrsrs wrote: - from what i've seen of his play in other games, jackal is a strong player. don't let his abrasive personality cloud your mind from his usually very-informative, rational posts. at the same time, please use your own judgment when reading his posts and decide for yourself if you come to the same conclusions. if he is mafia he will use his "upstandingness" to sheep us around. On June 07 2011 05:38 Jackal58 wrote: You guys want to vote for scum? Vote this guy - rookie44: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=9611408 Has played before so he has an idea how it works. Very subtle in his fishing for blues. Only scum fish for blues. Wants to know what methods and tactics are used to catch scum. Wants us to share them with everybody. Claims it will help derail scum tactics. When it will obviously do the opposite. Has all but disappeared since this post. I'm sure he'll show up momentarily to tell me how full of shit I am. That's where my vote is going. I would recommend you all do the same. On June 07 2011 05:39 Jackal58 wrote: ##VOTE: Rookie44 On June 07 2011 06:28 Kurumi wrote: ##unvote ##vote: Rookie44 On June 07 2011 06:29 Senj wrote: ##vote: Rookie44 On June 07 2011 06:31 amazingxkcd wrote: ##VOTE: Rookie44 On June 07 2011 08:01 Kairo wrote: ##unvote ##vote: Rookie44 On June 07 2011 08:25 Impervious wrote: ##Vote rookie44 On June 07 2011 08:29 Vain wrote: ##VOTE: Rookie44 On June 07 2011 09:06 heist wrote: ##Vote: rookie44 On June 07 2011 09:19 Jimbooo wrote: ##vote: rookie44 + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://hallowedtree.com/furniture/puppets/WoolySheep.jpg) i'm not accusing jackal of being scum, in fact i think he is town. he made a bad call but it wasn't irrational. the fact that we had like 99% of the thread jump on that instantly is what makes me /facepalm anyways, continuing to read | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On June 07 2011 09:30 Jackal58 wrote: I want to encourage all of you to think critically and independently.I have seen to many games where town herp derps themselves into oblivion by following one individual. If you have misgivings and doubts about my analysis on rookie by all means bring it up for discussion. If you believe you have found a better alternative by all means bring it forward. | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
Guys,paste Your post BEFORE You vote. | ||
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grush57
Korea (South)2582 Posts
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Pyo
United States738 Posts
On June 09 2011 04:50 gtrsrs wrote: wow even jackal told you to not blindly follow him and yet you all did well look at who initiated the bandwagoning (not the accusation), the following. As best I can tell (correct me if i'm wrong), but i think he was the first among the "experienced players" to actively advocate someone. However, the fact that no one paid any attention to this post by GGQ, but were reasonably quick to back off of freeloader makes me think that it was mafia that were the meat of rookie's lynching. | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
On June 09 2011 05:18 grush57 wrote: Alright guys, I'm sorry for my previous posts and I'll try to be a little bit analytical now(or however you spell it). I was just frusturated of everybody jumping on every little thing of my posts. Wanna be friends? | ||
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